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Too Much Knowledge Ruins A Slave
« on: August 21, 2015, 01:21:20 pm »
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Why geniuses don't have jobs:  a developed intellect usually offends the upholders of the social hierarchy which often reverses the natural order of things.  A certain kind of intelligence upsets the chain-of-command/corporate primate pecking order.




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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 12:20:02 am »
“If you sat around there long enough and heard all the phonies applauding and all, you got to hate everybody in the world, I swear you did.”

“If I were a piano player, I'd play it in the goddam closet.”


― J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye
« Last Edit: October 05, 2015, 12:23:55 am by H »
He [Arthur Schopenhauer] has been the most radical of all troublemakers. He was defiant. ~ (Marcuse?)

"Learning math is never a waste of time." ~ Ivan Savov

"Programming is understanding."  ~ Kristen Nygaard

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Re: They Don't Want You to Think Too Much
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 12:25:11 pm »
too much knowledge

There's a reason why they rush students through the education system and down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel ... where they have no time to think about anything they might have been exposed to.

In fact, revisiting high school mathematics, even if someone graduated from the university years ago, could be viewed as a personal revolution through mathematical empowerment.

sheep

For one, focusing on such an endeavor would protect your mind from the psychological warfare which takes the form of passive consumption of channels upon channels of shiit.

They insist that you must "keep your eye on the ball" ...

I say, "Fuuck their balls!"
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He [Arthur Schopenhauer] has been the most radical of all troublemakers. He was defiant. ~ (Marcuse?)

"Learning math is never a waste of time." ~ Ivan Savov

"Programming is understanding."  ~ Kristen Nygaard

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Re: Too Much Knowledge Ruins A Slave
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2019, 11:39:58 am »
I saved this at the time when Ran Prieur begins talking about the development of the Protestant Work Ethic.  The reason I am posting this here is his reference to Ivan Illich's statements about how, in some places in the world, the term "hard worker" actually means something more like "fool."

"Oh no!", cries the once ever-so-happy well-fed and well-disciplined "associate" or "employee" (we don't use the more appropriate terms DEBT-SLAVE), "Nothing that is so, is so!"

https://youtu.be/tqFtLZjBkb8?t=815

more exactly, the point about "hard worker:"  [possible victim of gort-mentality?]

https://youtu.be/tqFtLZjBkb8?t=812

"We are in a … [gargantuan] prison:"  https://youtu.be/tqFtLZjBkb8?t=1714  (28:43)

(and cities are giant concentration camps)

[Why "Entertainment" ?]  https://youtu.be/tqFtLZjBkb8?t=1817


"Even the blocks of time that are supposedly for 'fun' ENABLE the Prison."

Organized Sports, the Film Industry, the entire Music Industry enable the Prison.

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He [Arthur Schopenhauer] has been the most radical of all troublemakers. He was defiant. ~ (Marcuse?)

"Learning math is never a waste of time." ~ Ivan Savov

"Programming is understanding."  ~ Kristen Nygaard

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As regards your question in the other thread:
Ignorance is closely linked with Samara(the cycle of birth and rebirth) in the Indian philosophy.According to Shankara,our ignorance of the real nature of "Brahman",reality,leads to our mistaking aspects of reality for reality itself.

Our experience of diversity is precisely a factor of ignorance and the illusions that stand between us and reality,the one reality that is not diverse at all.Although ignorance leads us to mistake the unreal for the real,it is none the less itself to a certain extent real and to a degree unreal.

It  is real because it actually takes place,but  it is unreal in the sense that it is part of our mistaken way of accessing the real by concentrating on phenomena that are unreal.Indian philosophy,as Schopenhauer himself noted, uses a lot of examples of illusions according to which one thing  looks like something else("Nothing   that is so,is  so") and the point of these examples is to  suggest that something that is illusory may none the less have a powerful effect upon  us.

The interesting thing about these examples is that the "real" object that the illusions are linked to is often regarded  by the Indian  philosophy as  being itself unreal, and believing in its reality is a factor in bonding us to the world. On the other hand, realising that illusions around us can be a  step in freeing us from the illusion that  we are not generally ignorant,and since the bondage is  itself not real, there  is no difficulty in principle in freeing ourselves of it.

Once we start to throw off ignorance,although,of course, this  is hardly something that can be done quickly, and even after  having made the  appropriate moves, we are  still within the sphere of  our "karmic  past",  and  have to wait until this comes to an end. Our bondage is  an effect of ignorance and   "liberation"  will  only come through  "knowledge".

I am just a sad little green  tortoise  who crawls and crawls..

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2019, 11:34:37 am »
I am just a sad little green  tortoise  who crawls and crawls..

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2019, 07:33:51 am »
From Colombian author Mario Mendoza:

It was said that a Muslim preacher named Ahmed Al-Hayek had been a disciple of Gurdjieff and that he was already in a state of enlightenment. A fellow student in Toledo, Spain, had passed me the information and it seemed perfect to go after such an individual.

A friend I had made in the hostel told me that Ahmed had worked in the port, had collected diamonds in the mines of South Africa and was now a homeless and ate thanks to the charity of others. He had always lived in the worst neighborhoods or on the street, and had performed the lowest paid jobs. He spent long hours in the mosques meditating and fully respected the strict rules of the Qur'an.

I found him, in effect, in a plaza preaching the following Sunday at noon. He was a finished man, with two or three teeth only, long hair on his shoulders and a thick, matted, yellowish beard. The bones were lined by a parchment skin. He spoke in English with an Arabic accent.
Several hippies and foreigners were listening to him in the crowd. His words were calm and melodious, but pronounced with overwhelming vehemence. In the animal gleam of his eyes one could perceive his extreme radicality.

 -Do not ever exalt yourself, do not seek to improve or promote socially. Do not save, do not accumulate, try to give everything away. Forget pride and dignity: crawl as low as you can, humble yourself, sink your head in the mud. Accept only the most miserable jobs, eat what the rich leave in their plates, beg all you can. Get dressed in rags, do not bathe, let your teeth fall out of your mouth. Seek to be ugly, dirty and toothless. Here is the path of enlightenment. When you least think, any afternoon in any dirty and smelly corner, the truth will be revealed to you and you will wake up. You will realize that all this that we call reality is nothing more than a phantasmagorical vision, a fallacy, an illusion.

-Don't draw attention, always try to go unnoticed. Let no one know who you are, what you think or what you do. Do not talk about yourself, do not balk. Drink some water. If you have three blankets, sleep with only one. If you have two pairs of shoes, give them both and walk barefoot. It inspires disgust, that people reject you and stay away from you. Do not have any aspiration, do not want anything. Do not fall in love ever, do not have children or family. Live like a solitary animal, die like a free wolf in the middle of the steppe. By detaching yourself from everything, little by little you will also detach yourself from yourself and enlightenment will be your natural state. This is how the chains are broken, the wheel of transmigrations that again and again obliges us to incarnate in these unfortunate and unhappy bodies.

Many of the listeners were with eyes full of tears. He spoke of misery as a blessing, of poverty as an accurate path towards the awakening of deep consciousness. He also said that when we were insulted or attacked, the victimizer was doing us a good because he was helping us to destroy our ego. At some point he recommended always distrusting the powerful and not mixing with them: they are not honorable people, so he said.

I have never been able to forget that man. I have tracked him on the Net, but he does not exist. There is not a single text that speaks of him. Maybe that was one of his goals too: to disappear without leaving traces. The blessing of being nobody.

Taken from author Mario Mendoza in his travels to Spain.
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Re: Too Much Knowledge Ruins A Slave
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2019, 08:01:41 pm »
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Get dressed in rags, do not bathe, let your teeth fall out of your mouth. Seek to be ugly, dirty and toothless. Here is the path of enlightenment. When you least think, any afternoon in any dirty and smelly corner, the truth will be revealed to you and you will wake up. You will realize that all this that we call reality is nothing more than a phantasmagorical vision, a fallacy, an illusion.

Senor    Raul,

This   whole post of yours   is  a  beautiful gem. It is said that true holy men are not to be found in temples and churches but in dense forests living in solitude.
Over here,  particularly, till the generation before mine ,in the orthodox hindu families the wife used to address the husband  by saying "father of  ( the name of the son/daughter)".

Yes,  we define things  in respect to something  else.Where is Paraguay? South of Bolivia.


The real question is-what is the thing in itself?

https://youtu.be/QTw3GCCeH4Q
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Die like a free Wolf in the middle of the Steppe!
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2019, 08:33:33 pm »
let your teeth fall out of your mouth. Seek to be ugly, dirty and toothless. Here is the path of enlightenment.

 :D


You will realize that all this that we call reality is nothing more than a phantasmagorical vision, a fallacy, an illusion.

If you have three blankets, sleep with only one.   (preferably with a large afghan from a good thrift store)

Do not have any aspiration, do not want anything. Do not fall in love ever, do not have children or family. Live like a solitary animal, die like a free wolf in the middle of the steppe. By detaching yourself from everything, little by little you will also detach yourself from yourself and enlightenment will be your natural state. This is how the chains are broken, the wheel of transmigrations that again and again obliges us to incarnate in these unfortunate and unhappy bodies.


I will reflect deeply upon these words.  Thanks Raul.
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Re: Too Much Knowledge Ruins A Slave
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2019, 10:01:08 am »
Holden,

Thank you and Hentrich for your comments. Although my translation is not accurate at least you can understand the words of this Colombian author. They make you reflect deeply.

Yes, holy men will not be found in churches and temples. They are in forests or caves or far away from the crowds.

Here in formal language when we address a lady we say Juana Acuña de Torres, that is, Juana Acuña of Torres, roughly translated. She belongs to Señor Torres and if the lady becomes a widow, we say Juana Acuña Vda.(short for “viuda” in Spanish) de Torres, that is, Juana Acuña Widow of Torres.

Regarding families, I sometimes think of the lovely sweetness and purity that children have, their virginal and uncorrupted behavior that makes them being different from the rest of our fellow human beings. Children are like a fountain of pure water that has not yet crossed enough to get dirty and filled with cccrrrap. I think that until children reach the age of 10 they do not have malevolence, immorality, ambition and corruption. After that life becomes bitter.This is the way I see it.

I read that we, humans, not only inherit physical traits or genetic predispositions, but also psychic inclinations. For years, the children of the survivors of the Nazi extermination camps began to show post-traumatic stress very similar to that of their parents. Several biologists and geneticists suspected that it had been transmitted in some way they inherit physical and genetic traits, but they did not know how to prove it. The psychoanalysts claimed that this stress came from living for years with people who kept repeating the horrors of war over and over again. It means that stress had been transmitted in oral accounts from one generation to another.

Stay well.

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