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MBTI
« on: December 27, 2016, 10:54:34 am »
Do you think MBTI makes sense?
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

It tells me I am INFP. They are 2% of the population.Make least amount of money & have more frequent suicidal thoughts than any other personality type.Have you ever taken this sort of test?
« Last Edit: December 27, 2016, 11:19:41 am by Holden »
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Re: MBTI
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2016, 05:56:25 am »
I took the personality test out of curiosity, although I am not too trusting of tests that group people into personality types.  Here are my results Doctor Caulfield:

Your personality type is:  Advocate (INFJ-T)

Mind
68% Introverted

Energy
This trait shows where we direct our mental energy.
63% Intuitive

Nature
This trait determines how we make decisions and cope with emotions.
60% Feeling

Tactics
This trait reflects our approach to work, planning and decision-making.
60% Judging

Identity
This trait underpins all others, showing how confident we are in our abilities and decisions.
59% Turbulent

The INFJ personality type is very rare, making up less than one percent of the population, but they nonetheless leave their mark on the world. As Diplomats, they have an inborn sense of idealism and morality, but what sets them apart is the accompanying Judging (J) trait – INFJs are not idle dreamers, but people capable of taking concrete steps to realize their goals and make a lasting positive impact.

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You know, I was up early this morning as I was experiencing insights into the general nightmarish nature of our world.

Maybe we can make up our own "personality test" which would be based on Schopenhauer's worldview.   Instead of personality types, the test might predict whether the human specimen would be favorable to the idea of extinction as opposed to "eternal life" [on earth, of course].

Evidently, it is nearly impossible for us to discuss the human condition without pointing out the differences between individuals.

Like the late George Carlin, I do not like to identify with groups.  And yet, for sure, there are those who would identify me with particular groupings ... bipolar manic-depressive, for instance ... or German/Scandanavian 4th generation in "North America" - the land of Black Elk ...

I am particularly perplexed by what it means to survive "genetically".   I wonder if, should my "genetic type" disappear into the silence of history,  if this is a sign of merit rather than a sign of some kind of weakness or inadequacy.   Only those who can acclimate themselves to living in Hell will continue to reproduce and worship their gods and idols.   Those who find existence shockingly stupid and barbaric may gravitate towards extinction out of enlightened self-interest.

This life is not worth living, so why would anyone take the least bit of pride in their genetic survival?

Genetic survival?   Slow learners!    :D

So, Holden, let's flip the script on these corporate drone personality tests and start thinking in terms of "inclinations toward extinction" ... to see which specimens "get it", that life is not worth living, and that there is no "God" who thought all this through for some divine purpose (or so that we might learn and "evolve spiritually").

I wish there were a way to flip the script on the "survival of the fittest" mentality.  If only we could find some solace in being too smart for the good of the species ... Maybe we can take a little personal pride in the genetically rebellious trait that makes us so unfit for existence ... Like Henry Fool, we're not good at walking through shiit.

I see the way we drive our cars ... what a nasty species.   

I wish I could sleep through this life ... but, alas, I consume liver cooked in butter, garlic and onions which allows me to study things like parametric equations and polar coordinates ... and I don't know why any of this is necessary.  It is not necessary.  It is just a distraction for me, an alternative to ZooTube.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2016, 11:35:02 am by Gorticide »
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Re: MBTI
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2016, 10:56:37 pm »
I am sorry I could not respond sooner as I am travelling.Thanks a lot for the Schopenhauer Quotes.
I will probably be back on Sunday. I have read that Schopenhauer was INFJ too.
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Re: MBTI
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 07:28:19 pm »
YOUR PERSONALITY TYPE IS:
MEDIATOR (INFP-T)

No one can stop you from dreaming!
MIND
This trait determines how we interact with our environment.
ExtravertedIntroverted
0%100%
ENERGY
This trait shows where we direct our mental energy.
IntuitiveObservant
81%19%
NATURE
This trait determines how we make decisions and cope with emotions.
ThinkingFeeling
35%65%
TACTICS
This trait reflects our approach to work, planning and decision-making.
JudgingProspecting
19%81%
IDENTITY
This trait underpins all others, showing how confident we are in our abilities and decisions.
AssertiveTurbulent
27%73%

My result.
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Re: MBTI
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 05:15:52 am »
This whole idea of INFJ & INPF was devised by Jung,who greatly admired Schopenhauer  .Jung is close to Schopenhauer, praising him as the first philosopher he had read, "who had the courage to see that all was not for the best in the fundaments of the universe" [Memories, Dreams, Reflections)
Both types taken together are barely 2% of the population.Maybe we are predisposed to denial of the will to life.


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Re: MBTI ... retarded genius?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 03:54:45 pm »
One thing that was very accurate, as far as the "Advocate" personality type goes, is that I notice I do tend to burn out quickly.  I am easily overwhelmed, thinking I am a "dummy".

I feel that I struggle just to be able to focus on one thing at a time.

I would never refer to myself as a "genius" since I am well aquainted with the difficulties I experience.  This is why I insist on studying in privacy since I do not really trust "hot shots" and "whiz kids".   

I always liked the expression, "retarded genius".   For whatever reason, this best describes how I feel about myself.

Maybe the reason I study mathematics (and physics) so much is because I feel a great lack of comprehension, and yet those who do not have any compulsion to crack open a physics textbook will never have to face the feelings of inadequacy that plague the curious explorer.

Maybe it does come down to having a certain personality type.  I'm not sure if it is as simple as that, or if it even helps to categorize ourselves.

Take the diagnosis of bipolar or "manic depressive", for example.   This psychiatric diagnosis might attempt to explain symptoms, such as not being able to focus or alternating between enthusiasm and depression, but giving a name to a condition or psychological state based on subjective experiences doesn't seem to matter much at all.

We already know about our anxieties and frustrations, and maybe our suspicions that those acting like they "have their shiit together" are full of shiit are justified.

Maybe it comes down to the fact that some people are honest with themselves about their subjective experiences, while many are not honest at all with themselves.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2017, 01:11:52 am »
1. “Incapable of living with people, of speaking. Complete immersion in myself, thinking of myself. Apathetic, witless, fearful. I have nothing to say to anyone – never.”



2. “Being alone has a power over me that never fails. My interior dissolves (for the time being only superficially) and is ready to release what lies deeper. When I am willfully alone, a slight ordering of my interior begins to take place and I need nothing more.”


3. “I write differently from what I speak, I speak differently from what I think, I think differently from the way I ought to think, and so it all proceeds into deepest darkness.”



4. “My peers, lately, have found companionship through means of intoxication–it makes them sociable. I, however, cannot force myself to use drugs to cheat on my  loneliness–it is all that I have–and when the drugs and alcohol dissipate, will be all that my peers have as well.”

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5. “The person I am in the company of my sisters has been entirely different from the person I am in the company of other people. Fearless, powerful, surprising, moved as I otherwise am only when I write.”



6. “Nervous states of the worst sort control me without pause. Everything that is not literature bores me and I hate it. I lack all aptitude for family life except, at best, as an observer. I have no family feeling and visitors make me almost feel as though I were maliciously being attacked.”


7. “Don’t you want to join us?” I was recently asked by an acquaintance when he ran across me alone after midnight in a coffeehouse that was already almost deserted. “No, I don’t,” I said.”



8. “People label themselves with all sorts of adjectives. I can only pronounce myself as ‘nauseatingly miserable beyond repair’.”



9. “I am constantly trying to communicate something incommunicable, to explain something inexplicable, to tell about something I only feel in my bones and which can only be experienced in those bones. Basically it is nothing other than this fear we have so often talked about, but fear spread to everything, fear of the greatest as of the smallest, fear, paralyzing fear of pronouncing a word, although this fear may not only be fear but also a longing for something greater than all that is fearful.”


10. “I have no social life, no distraction; I spend my evenings on the small balcony above the river; I do not even read the Arbeiterzeitung and I am not a good person… I do not even have that concern with people that you require. You see, I am a ridiculous person; if you are a little fond of me, it’s out of pity; my part is fear.”



11. “The fact that no one knows where I am is my only happiness. If only I could prolong this forever! It would be far more just than death. I am empty and futile in every corner of my being, even in my unhappiness.”



12. “If I could drown in sleep as I drown in fear I would be no longer alive.”
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Re: MBTI
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2017, 01:10:00 pm »
Señor Holden of India,
So you go to coffeehouse at night. Interesting.Do you practice martial arts? Dangerous there, I suppose. In the mornings I drink mate ( a sort of tea with herbs) and in the afternoons tereré (with cold water). I don´t go anywhere. I am completely atrophied. One thing in common is that we are "nauseatingly beyond repair". Good choice of words. "Apathetic, fearful,", that describes my behavior, totally unfit for social life. Bitterness and resentment are all over my face. I tried,yeas ago, "means of intoxication" to make myself sociable. A total failure. It is difficult to interact when you consider yourself and others a slave, a pawn in this absurd world. I feel indifference toward my father´s siblings. When I am in a very bad state, I see them as sacks of flesh and bones, as we all really are. My cousins have children, future victims with a future with no future. My father thought that he could work to death but diabetes and the Parkinson´s Disease do not give him any peace. But his real problem is his psyche, a diseased psyche. Like you I see  futility and emptiness around here. Take care of yourself. Raúl

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Re: MBTI
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 11:07:09 pm »
Senor Raul,
I must clarify-these words were written by Franz Kafka, though I can echo most of them.
I have come to learn that Kafka primarily gives very good illustrations of Schopenhauer’s philosophy.
Without Schopenhauer there would have been no Kafka.
I just finished reading Man Who Disappeared (Amerika).It’s a very harrowing tale.

Herr Hentrich,
Thank you again for the new Schopenhauer quote. I greatly appreciate all the trouble you are taking in coping them from the book to the board.
Thanks again.
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Re: MBTI
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 01:41:52 pm »
Mr.Holden of India,
Probably without Schopenhauer there would have been no other remarkable authors. When you wrote that you wanted to invest in stock trading, I happened to read in Philip Mainlander´s brief biography that he also did the same thing in Germany in his time but things did not go as he wished. Take care of yourself. Raúl aka The Atrophied One.