{∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}} : Rage Against the Meat Grinder

Can't anyone just take the position that we experience distress simply by existing?

They won't do it.Not now,not ever. That's just the way it is.

Isn't this the key to unmasking the phonies and tearing off pedastals those who have prompted themselves up upon them?
The man who would try to unmask them will be crucified ,much like what happens in the Last Messiah by Zapffe.

Are we shocked to discover that other human beings can be so different from ourselves?

I think ,like Schopenhauer says, there are different grades of the human will. People on the message board are very similar. But people out there in the wide world are very different.At least that has been my experience. Brainwashed or false consciousness or whatever we might call it. They are very different.

Maybe the mystics were also full of shiit, that is, phony liars?

Quite of few so-called mystics are just into the business of selling "spirituality", in fact, I guess most of them are that way.One mystic though might have been onto something-Gurdjieff.

Do we not live in a world where the honest and sincere get mocked for being so?   

Yes, that is the reason why I try to stay hidden as much as possible. We cannot really change anything. The day I would die, on that day the world would be pretty much what it was on the day I was born.

Who is it that sleeps, reads, eats?

A kind of automaton I guess.

You are not like anyone I have known. You search for truth and the determination to get to the bottom of things is unmatched in my experience.This uniqueness also makes you very vulnerable.The world is not really meant for a man like you.Its meant for the breeders and the consumers.Not for deep thinkers.If you were Schopenhauer's neighbor or that of Cioran's maybe then, you might have had someone who could have understood you but out there in the workplace or the mall, it is unlikely that you are going to find anyone who would be able to respond to your thoughts adequately.

Your loneliness is like that of a long distance runner who is so far ahead of the others that he is almost completely alone or an eagle who flies so high that he find no other birds around it.
My humble suggestion would be to stay hidden in your room and have patience. I wish I had a brain like Schopenhauer's and then I could write to you about things which you would find fascinating and true.I know that you find the world to be overwhelming, I do too, but I know a lot of people who are so heavily invested in social institutions and their family and the job that they would never think about these things in a million years. For them going to the church once a week is all the nourishment they require for their souls.

They will never confess that they feel the anguish. Not on their deathbed,not in a million years.They want to talk about their kids, and promotions and sleazy movies. That's true.They will never speak of Schopenhauer. Two hundred years and he is to be found in the philosophy syllabus of exactly zero universities. Leave aside the quiltas occulta.There is nothing anyone can do about it.

Even if most people feel the kind of restlessness that we do( and not everyone feels it so intensely),they are never going to own up to it.Never. That is how the structure of existence has been configured. And it cannot be altered.There can be no mass Schopenhauerian revolution, not ever. Schopenhauer writes for the few,not the many.

The Mormon or the Latter Day Saints Church, for example, engages its members in so many activities though out the week that they are left with no time to think of anything.Two of its missionaries came to me sometime back and gave me a copy of the Book of Mormon, a new testament.They were just kids, in their late teens, Americans who have come to India for two years to spread the word about the Book of Mormon. Their time is very minutely structured.The members of the church are engrossed with the activities suggested by the church so no time to brood about what kind of place we all are in.
Its just a good example of how people try to hide from the ugliness of the existence. The founder of the church,Joseph Smith, was a contemporary of Schopenhauer and the Church now has sixteen million members.They print millions of copies of the Book of Mormon.And how many human beings,who are alive, might have read,the World as Will and Representation through?

Like I said, Schopenhauer writes for the very few, not the many.

I get some really terrifying and strange dreams.Falling asleep is itself a struggle.

Impossible to read a line by Kleist without thinking that he committed suicide:as if his suicide had preceded his works-Cioran
I know that Cioran suffered from insomnia,especially in his youth,maybe he was just afraid of falling asleep due to the nightmares that would wait for him in the land of the sleep.I have noticed that his works are full of reference to other works and thinkers and I am looking them all up-one after the other.It is the only way that would help to get to the bottom of what he is really trying to say.For example, earlier I had no idea who Kleist was.

He was cursed with a long life ,just as Schopenhauer was.Cioran, as I can see, lived for more years than Schopenhauer.
Cioran mentions Schopenhauer in a couple of places,with admiration.I am sure he know Schopenhauer's work quite well.

In few of the videos that are available in which Cioran is featured, he looks like a man who has crossed the Sahara desert on his own. A man who is weary beyond all descriptions.

To cross a desert with no oasis, only mirages.

I know that I tend to revisit old posts often, and I also tend to attach certain songs in several threads.  I thought that this song, Let's Get Metaphysical, went well with Holden's words.  I would like to hear him reading this aloud to this music in the back ground.  For a taste of what that might sound like, imagine him speaking these words while listening to the music.   

You are not like anyone I have known. You search for truth and the determination to get to the bottom of things is unmatched in my experience.This uniqueness also makes you very vulnerable.The world is not really meant for a man like you.Its meant for the breeders and the consumers.Not for deep thinkers.If you were Schopenhauer's neighbor or that of Cioran's maybe then, you might have had someone who could have understood you but out there in the workplace or the mall, it is unlikely that you are going to find anyone who would be able to respond to your thoughts adequately.

Your loneliness is like that of a long distance runner who is so far ahead of the others that he is almost completely alone or an eagle who flies so high that he find no other birds around it.
My humble suggestion would be to stay hidden in your room and have patience. I wish I had a brain like Schopenhauer's and then I could write to you about things which you would find fascinating and true.I know that you find the world to be overwhelming, I do too, but I know a lot of people who are so heavily invested in social institutions and their family and the job that they would never think about these things in a million years. For them going to the church once a week is all the nourishment they require for their souls.

They will never confess that they feel the anguish. Not on their deathbed,not in a million years.They want to talk about their kids, and promotions and sleazy movies. That's true.They will never speak of Schopenhauer. Two hundred years and he is to be found in the philosophy syllabus of exactly zero universities. Leave aside the quiltas occulta.There is nothing anyone can do about it.

Even if most people feel the kind of restlessness that we do( and not everyone feels it so intensely),they are never going to own up to it.Never. That is how the structure of existence has been configured. And it cannot be altered.There can be no mass Schopenhauerian revolution, not ever. Schopenhauer writes for the few,not the many.

The Mormon or the Latter Day Saints Church, for example, engages its members in so many activities though out the week that they are left with no time to think of anything.Two of its missionaries came to me sometime back and gave me a copy of the Book of Mormon, a new testament.They were just kids, in their late teens, Americans who have come to India for two years to spread the word about the Book of Mormon. Their time is very minutely structured.The members of the church are engrossed with the activities suggested by the church so no time to brood about what kind of place we all are in.
Its just a good example of how people try to hide from the ugliness of the existence. The founder of the church,Joseph Smith, was a contemporary of Schopenhauer and the Church now has sixteen million members.They print millions of copies of the Book of Mormon.And how many human beings,who are alive, might have read,the World as Will and Representation through?

Like I said, Schopenhauer writes for the very few, not the many.

And, of course, it follows that, well, this explains why we are not concerned with our bare bones skeleton presence on this board.  We do not wish to engage with the masses.  Or I should say, even if we wished to communicate with the masses, we would be ignored to death.

Many would be too "embarrassed" or ashamed to be witnessed carrying on a conversation with so few; but it takes courage (and disdain for the tastes of the masses) to stand in solidarity with so few.