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While researching an essay by Schopenhauer called Transcendental Speculation on Apparent Design in the Fate of the Individual, I also found an article, Schopenhauer: Causality and Synchronicity by Scott Horton, where, at the end, he suggest, "Listen to Ludwig van Beethoven’s “große Fuge” movement in B flat major, op. 133.  Think of this as an exercise in the Schopenhauerian perspective—the fugue form is radicalized, turned elliptical and fractal. It assumes a relentlessness pessimism well measured to Schopenhauer."

At about 12 minutes in, it gets interesting, I think.  I'm no expert on classical music.



Actually, my cousin had inquired about the essay, Transcendental Speculation on Apparent Design in the Fate of the Individual, but I do not remember ever reading it.   It seems that this is from Parerga and Paralipomena, Volume One, beginning on page 199.

As I explained to my cousin, I do not own a copy of Parerga and Paralipomena.  The reason is that, back in 1991, I had paid $160 to have "Out of Print Books On Demand" print me the two-volume 800 page PESSIMIST'S HANDBOOK, which I figured contained everything that was originally published in Parerga and Paralipomena.   So, I think this is the first time I am reading the essay, Transcendental Speculation on Apparent Design in the Fate of the Individual.
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This is a piece completely unknown to me as well.  The city library has a copy of The Pessimist's Handbook (I have a smaller collection from Penguin Books) and I too always assumed that it was just an English translation of Parerga and Paralipomena.  I've never seen a physical book of that, anyway.

So this is a fantastic find, thanks Hentrich.  Briefly skimming it, it seems a defense of Determinism. 

I've recently been thinking and making brief notes in a journal about reconciling Determinism and Fatalism, that is, the objective Determinism and subjective Fatalism of my outlook.  Not a fatalism where some deity or "intelligent design" or mythical what-have-you is pulling the strings, but the fate of a living organism bound by the shackles of blind, indifferent biological, chemical and physical forces (forget about consciousness!).  Our "fate" is such that, no matter what happens, we are subject to a chain of causality (deterministic) and the physical "stuff" we, our urges, emotions and minds, are "composed" of.

Sometimes I wish I could be purely objective.  But I am an emotionally sensitive, even frail, person.  I am interested if anyone here can understand what I briefly sketched above, or if you have doubts or are even in total disagreement.  Thank you in advance.  I'll be reading this essay of Schopenhauer's soon enough.

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I read this essay back  in '16.Left a profound impression on me.I am been thinking a great  deal about the causal nexus.I think  of the  how  the gravity  feels on my body, the atmospheric pressure,how my  head is balance on my neck,which in  turn is based on my spine..
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My  spine  in turn is based on my pelvis.Our deluded imagination tells us of contingency, of possibility,but true knowledge speaks only of inevitability.Schopenhauer  says  when  in doubt ,try  to realise that you are  in prison.This very realisation-that we are puppets who dance according to the laws of determinism, brings  about an alteration.
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At the end of the first paragraph, Schopenhauer says that he is not to be taken seriously when he adopts a positive or dogmatic tone in the essay.   Are we to conclude that the belief in Fate or Determinism is wishy-washy at best?

It is the offspring of our miserable state, simply a way human beings have tried to make sense of their lives.  Still, we all seem quite powerless against what is called Fate.   Many are drawn to believe s strange and mysterious power directs the events of an individual's life, such as when people like my own mother say, "God has a plan," as though chance and error are the mere instruments of an invisible hand.

No matter what we think about the events of our lives, throughout our moods will be determined by whether our will is satisfied or not.  This is why there are such paradoxes as a prisoner experiencing more genuine gratitude while eating food or lost in contemplation than a king or emperor, since it takes a great deal more to satisfy the latter.

Whether one's fate is to be a lunatic in a mental asylum or to be the head baboon in charge of a nation or corporation, our fate is the same as all animals on this earth.  We will face the moment of death.   That is our fate.   It is no mystery, and yet, it still is a mystery.

As with much of what I have read by Schopenhauer, this essay provokes thinking and reflection, but I do not feel any obligation to commit to any particular view, such as transcendental fatalism.  If I were to walk to the liquor store and imbibe alcohol, one could say that this was my fate, that I am destined to do so eventually, and it would not surprise me in the least.   After all, I've been drunk before, and there is a good chance I will find myself drunk again.   But, for the moment, in this period of "harm reduction," where I have been abstaining, I have quite a different view of the nature of this thing called fate.   

Maybe I am not cut out to fathom all that much of mathematics, or my fate in this respect is predetermined by my intellectual honesty.  That is, no matter how much I learn and understand, due to the nature of my "honesty," I will always feel that it is all a farce. 

I often reflect upon the stories I hear of the Natives (the people indigenous to North America) who, when they become so old as to be a burden to the tribe, would walk alone into the mountains to die peacefully in the snow and ice.   I imagine that the only way such a death would be peaceful for me, personally, is if I were accompanied by a large bottle of hard whiskey, and maybe even some hard drugs like morphine.   With such chemical assistance, I believe the death event might not be so horrific at all.   None of us can forever ignore our common destiny.

I like the way Schopenhauer mentions in passing the nature of nocturnal emissions (wet dreams).  Things like that impress me about his honesty.   It is quite refreshing, indeed.

So, I can't help but be sexually attracted to young Lolitas, what is the name for them??? I haven't used the word in quite some time ... nymphet!   Crap.   The thing that would have me reciting the Lord's Prayer, "Lead me not into temptation ... and deliver me from evil."

It's all very interesting, yes, how our head balances on the neck, how the atmosphere has just enough oxygen for us to sustain our life, until we breathe no more.   We are quite powerless - our egos, that is.   And yet, as Schopenhauer often hints at, are we not this inner kernel of Nature?    Are we not Fate itself?  Maybe we ought not identify so much with our individuality ... but the entire essay is concerned with the apparent design in the fate of the individual.

It is still difficult for me to fathom how i lost my job with the park service.  I thought I would be working for the State for life, like a prison sentence; and yet it is now over twenty years later.   It was not to be my destiny, after all.    What appeared to be such an awful thing (losing the job) may not have been such a bad thing.  After all, I now identify myself more as a scholarly inmate in an Open Air Prison than as a "janitor for a park."

I enjoyed the essay, but as usual, as I am just this animal who must eat, I have an engagement with destiny to chop carrots and potatoes before placing the carcass of yet another chicken in the oven.

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I've recently been thinking and making brief notes in a journal about reconciling Determinism and Fatalism, that is, the objective Determinism and subjective Fatalism of my outlook.  Not a fatalism where some deity or "intelligent design" or mythical what-have-you is pulling the strings, but the fate of a living organism bound by the shackles of blind, indifferent biological, chemical and physical forces (forget about consciousness!).  Our "fate" is such that, no matter what happens, we are subject to a chain of causality (deterministic) and the physical "stuff" we, our urges, emotions and minds, are "composed" of.

I understand the distinction.  In fact, isn't this in agreement with Holden's comment that "true knowledge speaks only of inevitability" and that "this very realisation - that we are puppets who dance according to the laws of determinism, brings  about an alteration."

We are subject to the stuff we are, the urges, the Will - and this includes the stuff of the atmosphere we exist in, since we are certainly more than just that which is inside the skin.  We are the air and the sun and all the rest.  We are defined by this stuff.

What is called chance and accident, even as the entire cosmos might be the result of such a chain of accidents, that we are who and what we be is completely dependent upon that chain, what Holden refers to as the causal nexus. 

Scientists in Canada who study addiction to substances theorize that nearly all who become chronically dependent upon the hardest of illicit drugs do so as a reaction to trauma experienced in childhood.   

If we accept a kind of transcendent fatalism, does this mean that we do not think we can do anything to improve our situation - our personal situation or even our predicament as a species?

I certainly don't think there is anything we can do to alter the course the species is on.  We're doomed.  That's the good news.  As for my personal situation, I also would like to become more objective.  I observe myself as though I were a laboratory experiment, but I can't help being me ... there is the ever-present burden of one's own existence, where everything seems to be a drag.

There's no "snapping out of it."

What is this alteration that takes place once we accept our condition as puppets?

I know that when I fill notebooks with "mathematical work," I am indulging in a grand illusion of security.  It's like a security blanket ... a pacifier.  In a way, it's a kind of experiment in a laboratory, where I am curious to see if there are any serious inner transformations after studying intensely for about ten years straight.

If at the end of ten years I am stupider than ever, then I will have a hardy laugh!

The level of mathematical understanding I imagine exists may just not be my fate to attain, and I will just have to humbly embrace the tip of the iceberg that I have been able to grasp.

While I am interested in the kinds of things Schopenhauer discusses in the essay, I have become more than a little indifferent - RESIGNED to live as a member of the slave class who is curious to behold the so-called mysteries conjured up by the "intellectual class".

There's another can of worms:  How might these metaphysical ideas about determinism and fate play into the hands of those who benefit from social hierarchies, where the fortunes are inherited and passed down through the generations?

Sorry if I am rambling on.
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Are we to conclude that the belief in Fate or Determinism is wishy-washy at best?

It is the offspring of our miserable state, simply a way human beings have tried to make sense of their lives.  Still, we all seem quite powerless against what is called Fate.   Many are drawn to believe s strange and mysterious power directs the events of an individual's life, such as when people like my own mother say, "God has a plan," as though chance and error are the mere instruments of an invisible hand.
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This is a  delicate problem  & needs a scalpel.I don't think there  is anything  wishy-washy about determinism. Please allow me to explain.When  Christians say-"God has  a  plan",what that  mean,generally, is that there is an Old Man in Sky who would  make sure that they  earn  enough, that they get to meet  their "soul mate" and have babies & that  these babies also get to meet their significant others when  they grow up and so on  & so forth.

I don't   believe "God"  is a  baby-sitter and neither,as you well know, did Schopenhauer.However,  when one takes up  any history book with even a  grain of truth and honesty ,its  rather easy to decipher that there  are  certain malignant  repetitive  patterns.Take,for example, military coups.They are  about power  dynamics  and any two military coups  have  certain definite characters  which are highly similar.  I could  have taken even suicide as an example.So,  while  the Christians  are right in  that  there is a  certain  distinct pattern in human life, they proclamation that they are life-enhancing is  patently false.


 The Christians are by definition teleological in their approach to fate.But determinism need  not  be  teleological  at  all.Three angles  of  a  triangle are always  equal to 180 degree.That much is  determined. But  there  is  no  particular  reason, at least no  reason which a human being, might  comprehend  why   that  is so.That is a can  of warms  I’d open   some other day.

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If we accept a kind of transcendent fatalism, does this mean that we do not think we can do anything to improve our situation - our personal situation or even our predicament as a species?-Herr Kaspar

Of course not.That would be fatalism.We can try what  to  “improve   personal situation” as much as  we  want.  But  in what  way  does that preclude determinism?  One  could say that  we are determined  to try  to   improve our situation.However, it’s a slippery slope, I’d urge  us  to be  careful  here.    This  quest  to  improve the situation often ends  in  the pursuit  of the  Millennium.
https://www.newstatesman.com/books/2009/02/norman-cohn-john-gray-world

Its interesting  to note that Greeks,particularly the Stoics,  never  had a concept of   perpetual improvement.Yes,Fortuna's  wheel ,from time  to time,will turn  upwards, but  only to  turn downwards again.
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What is this alteration that takes place once we accept our condition as puppets?
-Herr  Kaspar

I  was learning  French as a teenager,  I paid the fee  at the institute, After  a few  days  they told me  that if I could  produce the receipt they  would offer  me some discount.Much as  I tried  I could  never trace that invoice and thus  could  not avail the discount.Years after  the incident I  often thought about it & I’d often beat myself up for being  careless and not keeping documents properly.Now  I find it  amusing.  You see, earlier  I assumed  that  I could have  acted differently under the  circumstances ,that  if only I was  more  careful ,if  only I  had tried  harder I could  have  found the invoice and availed the  discount. Clear comprehension of determinism has  freed  me from  such misconceptions & thus from pointless  suffering(now, voluntary suffering is  something different altogether).Why  would  human  beings imagine  that they  are  not  a part  of the  great nature  like  rocks and stones?There are  some  philosophers who think that the rocks too are besouled.  One would  not expect a rock to turn into bread all of a sudden and yet one would  often  try to turn into a  superman overnight.
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How might these metaphysical ideas about determinism and fate play into the hands of those who benefit from social hierarchies, where the fortunes are inherited and passed down through the generations?

And  why,pray, resistance to  social     oppression  cannot  be   a  part of the way   human beings  are determined to be ?In  fact, the history of revolutions  and  rebellions shows some very clear,distinct patterns. I  would think that in the future  too  there  would  be  revolutions (in fact,they are taking  place,  even as I  write).But  at    the same time,  they would,in time, peter    out,  just as all  the previous revolutions did. There  is no such thing as   a  perpetual revolution  .You what  to know   why?
Here is why:
 


Maybe  some other day we can shed more light on the matter.

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Thank you, Holden, for your thoughtful contribution to these questions.

I will also give this more thought.

I found an essay from 1966 that may be related, The inconceivability of pessimistic determinism by J.E. Llewelyn:

http://booksdescr.org/scimag/ads.php?doi=10.1093%2Fanalys%2F27.2.39&downloadname=

It is only 6 pages but I did not find it very interesting.   Schopenhauer makes a lot more sense to me, especially as he cites ancient texts and attempts to show how things that may not necessarily be "facts" can be "true" in the way they are experienced.  In other words, he explains the way human beings, including ourselves, may find themselves thinking about the events of their lives, especially when looking back at how we have come to be "where we are at" in the present, although the present is always turning instantly into the past.

Perhaps the general aim of mathematics is to make the complicated simple by discovering its pattern.  I understand that underneath everything there must be states and conditions, causes and effects, which determine how everything unfolds, so, I see that hard determinism is not "wishy-washy" at all.   Maybe when I wrote that, I was thinking more of the way some may believe everything is for the best, no matter what, only because we do not see the bigger picture.

Still, though, I do see that we all must wonder about such things from time to time.   

Whatever happens can, in retrospect, be called Fate. for Fate is just whatever is.  As in, it is what it is.

It's after midnight and I want to peck away at some notes on finding the inverse of a matrix ... I am keeping the pencil well-sharpened, and this is a "special notebook."  --- it's a monk's life, really.   While I do not spend much time consciously reflecting upon these deeper ideas, I do think that, on some deeper level, perhaps the mind goes about thinking on a subconscious level, if that kind of thinking can even be considered thought at all.

As always, I apologize if I am not going out of my way to make sense.  I know that, with you, you will forgive me if I write in a kind of stream of consciousness manner.
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About Fate and Determinism (as related to the Fate of a foreman's mother [30 years ago])

While my foreman (from 1989-1991) was out in some store with his young son, he noticed commotion from the highway, ambulances and sirens.

When he returned home to his wife, she informed him that his mother had been run down by an automobile while she was crossing a highway at a cross-walk.   The driver must have been reading something while driving.   The place of this tragic event was close to where Anthony (the foreman) had been with his son when he heard all the commotion.  He understood that those sirens were responding to the terrible event that had taken place so randomly.

Now, we know that circumstances had to be precisely what they were for this event to take place.   The mother had to have left the house in the morning exactly when she did, and the driver had to drive at the exact speed, stopping or not for yellow lights, etc ...

While there are traceable "sufficient reasons" in the chain of events, in the causal nexus, there is no moral or ethical REASON for this to have occurred.  There is no making sense of it as far as "karma" goes.   It was pure chance and error --- pure accident.

I think that my confusion over Fate and Determinism is rooted in the two very different meanings of "reason" when we speak of the principle of sufficient reason.   There are reasons (causes and effects), but there are no Reasons as far as higher meaning or purpose.

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I think that my confusion over Fate and Determinism is rooted in the two very different meanings of "reason" when we speak of the principle of sufficient reason.   There are reasons (causes and effects), but there are no Reasons as far as higher meaning or purpose.

Yes, I think this is key to our understanding here.  It is important to remember Kant and Schopenhauer at a moment like this, and, even more importantly (to me personally, at least), when living in a culture of "everything-happens-for-a-reason"-ism, that unfortunate vestige of magic/religion/psychoanalysis/self-help.

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  And yet, as Schopenhauer often hints at, are we not this inner kernel of Nature?    Are we not Fate itself?  Maybe we ought not identify so much with our individuality ... but the entire essay is concerned with the apparent design in the fate of the individual.

Universe  is the individual writ large &  vice  versa.
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At the core of Schopenhauer's philosophy is the basic intuition that we do not so much live, as we are lived.
  ~ from Infinite Resignation
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I'd like to underscore the fact  that  the disbelief of any kind and for any apparent reason, in hard determinism  ,is also  very much   a part of determinism.
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Nations exist merely in abstracto;  individuals are what is real.  Therefore world history is without direct metaphysical significance; it is really only an accidental configuration.

~ Schopenhauer (Transcendent Speculation)
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