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Theophile de Giraud
« on: February 21, 2021, 07:19:55 pm »
I have wanted to be honest with my feelings and my interactions with others; that is, I want to unleash intellectual honesty without any restraint.  When someone tells me that their daughter is pregnant, and I note the pride they have in the thought of becoming a grandparent, I become disgusted with them (silently, inwardly).    The would-be Great Grandparents are even more pathetically deluded about the nature of existence.  I mean, they do not see the vanity of it all, the pointless suffering.

What is the reason these would-be Elders of the Tribe are so excited about "grand-children" ?   Just how is their total refusal to be honest about the miserable nature of their own existence related to this celebration of pregnancy?   The diaper sniffing grandparents and "great grandparents" appear to repress the awareness that life itself is a raw deal.   Any mention of the brute facts of our being born into want and need are rejected as "negative" --- This kind of thoughtlessness is enforced by the group/herd.  Honest appraisals about the harm done to the birthed creature are mocked by the thoughtless breeders. 

I have found that I have always had to remain silent when it comes to this.  The knuckle-draggers demand bragging rights for procreating.  I do not offer congratulations.  In fact, I see the majority of people, family or not, as polite-but-never-honest puppets.   Such people must make good employees, good members of churches, good breeders ... but not very good conversationalists, not very independent thinkers.   ::)

OK.  Here is something that might help me formulate a response to the "gosh, golly gee" stupidity of the status quo:

The Art of Guillotining Procreators: An Anti-Natalist Manifesto
By Theophile de Giraud
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Re: Theophile de Giraud
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2021, 02:08:20 am »
These days Down's syndrome can be detected in the foetus.Many "christian","religious","pro-life" parents who proclaim they believe in the "sanctity of life" go right ahead with having the baby,though, they have the option of terminating the pregnancy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/opinion/down-syndrome-abortion.html
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2021, 04:45:59 pm »
I have been sufficiently depressed enough to read through much of this manifesto, and I am less depressed as a result.   One might find this contradictory since the material is quite philosophical, and depression is such a philosophical emotion.  While reading parts of it out loud, I sense a growing resentment towards those who behave as though procreation is something commendable.

Any attraction I have to a woman-in-heat seems to be nullified by this ever-present disgust with the nature of our existence itself.  It's all so clear, why my philosophical pessimism would repulse "the Will to Reproduce" --- the human animal lives by instinct, not by reason.   

This philosophical gene must be isolated and destroyed as a cultural entity lest it infect the human species with a suicidal intelligence.   Nature itself has a safeguard against the anti-natalist impulse:  such impulses are never reintroduced to the gene pool, so each individual is forced to come to these conclusions via contemplation upon their own experience.

This manifesto might find its best audience in adolesents who are really in the grip of this existential dilemma.



If one truly loves one's child,
There is no other option,
In view of the sufferings of which life is full,
Than to abstain from giving it birth!
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Re: Theophile de Giraud
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2021, 06:27:45 pm »
Taking a stand against the procreation of mankind:

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Re: Theophile de Giraud
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2021, 02:02:44 am »

Mellow Mendham:

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2021, 04:06:03 am »
I ,to a very large extent, agree with de Giraud and Mr.Gary,in principle. Only,I am pessimistic as regards the project which many antinatalists have taken up,the project to turn antinatalism into a mass movement.de Giraud speaking style reminds me that of the French revolutionaries. I ,for one, have deep dislike for all "General Assemblies"( sounds like Robespierre's National Assembly to me).We know how that panned out.

I would say that if some of them ever tried to "implement" it,it might result in  chaos, which every utopian project( most notably Communism), has so far resulted in.
One might "nudge" one's friends in the general direction of antinatalism. But anything more than that might not be feasible.
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2021, 08:10:01 am »
Yes, Holden, I understand your skepticism.   He is very easy to attack, but I still like the idea of organizing procreation strikes, antinatalism as a technique for "the people" of the world to threaten their own governments with.   There are those who would attack someone like Theo with a statement like, "A fertile woman would not be attracted to this man."


From https://youtu.be/HSaQIAaGOW4?t=20 :

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There's no way any sober, attractive, fertile women is going to let that preying mantis park his French bread stick in her oven.

People are generally cruel.


There is no doubt that Theophile de Giraud is courageous to face down the gorts, far more courageous than those having children just because they are expected to, or out of jealousy or to have a toy to control .... He makes the people churning out the babies appear to be cowardly narcissists.   He insults them repeatedly (in writing), and I appreciate those insults.   :)

The comments were helpful.  One person wondered why there were smirks, grins, and snide ice in the laughter.

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They laugh because it goes against their intuition and social conditioning. They laugh because it goes against the grain and against their biological make up. These people are not deep thinkers, but deluded people, who end up being our politicians and governing our state and the world. Laughable and disgusting at the same time.

Another comment  (https://youtu.be/yll_juvjtus?t=130) :

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Life in general is often filled with pain, misery, or anxiety. Life in this form is a total tragedy, and exactly why I've decided to end my life at age 50 or before. If lucky, I'll die via a peaceful injection, which will put me to sleep first.

You do not think it is possible to have a global procreation strike?

I can understand why Theophile de Giraud might repel those who fear "Feminism" ---- since he goes out of his way (in writing) to explain how individual women might embrace the life of the mind.   I also shy away from mass movements, but I think he is on to something as far as an organized procreation strike to influence the global economy.

We may both be too cynical and jaded to have "hope" in such an organized resistance.

Thank you, Holden, for your honesty. 
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Re: Theophile de Giraud
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2021, 02:53:51 pm »
I think the logical skeleton of this idea,”the idea that the people should stop reproducing his idea of organizing procreation strikes, antinatalism as a technique for "the people" of the world to threaten their own governments with”, can be traced back to the works of Malthus who has some rather interesting things to say.

I can understand why Theophile de Giraud might repel those who fear "Feminism"-Herr Hauser

I think ,some time back, we were talking about Men’s Rights Activists and MGTOW .

Now, I think,like Socrates, it is very important to define the terms,to make sure that  the interlocutors are not talking past each other.

Therefore, first off, I would like to define the terms clearly and distinctly and then try to say where I stand  with regard to this problematic issue.

1.Men’s Rights Movement: This, I think, is the counterpart of the feminists. They ask for level playing ground.

https://www.opindia.com/2021/02/allahabad-high-court-false-****-case-sct-st-act-man-acquited-20-years-jail/

2.Incels (Involuntary Celibates): They are angry with women as they believe that women are deliberately ignoring them.

3.Pick-Up Artists (PUAs) : They are primarily interested in hook-ups and one night stands.Sexual gratification.

4.Fathers’ Rights Groups: They are mostly interested in getting to see their kids in the post-divorce scenario. Trying to get the custody which ,by default,generally, goes to the mother.

5.MGTOW( Men Going Their Own Way): These people just wish to mind their own business and do not wish to have anything to do with women.Period.

Now, this is how I am going to use the terms. I am sympathetic to MRM and FRGs,but I do not agree with them because I think their ontological substrate is deeply flawed. I don’t care for PUAs and Incels. Perhaps I am closest to MGTOW.They are not harming anyone.I do not see what objections could be raised if one just wishes to mind his own business.Yet,I would not say that I belong to any MGTOW group.I just wish to do my own thinking.

I do not care to think about “Feminism”,for me, it is beside the point. There is so much on my plate,not in the least,mathematics and logic. I wish to reach a stage,before I croak ( and I am not sure if I have a great deal of time) wherein I am able to at least exchange serious mathematical ideas and programming ideas with you. It is like this- I may not end up becoming a Shakespeare, but do wish to learn English in order to be able to talk.
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