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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2018, 10:07:55 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your comments. I thank Hentrich and you for your kind words during my father´s illness. The old man passed away this afternoon. He is resting in peace now after much agony.

Stay safe.

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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2018, 11:52:10 pm »
May you and your sister remain safe and look out for each other.
From what I understand your father was in agony, so I suppose you are rather relived for him.

I remember reading from Carl Jung a long time ago to watch for strange omens and signs in "waking life" in a similar way you might notice strange signs in your dreams.

I mention this because I notice that the post in which you report your father's passing was your 777th post here.

777

An interesting number, isn't it?

Thanks for letting us know.  I hope that you will find some peace.

Take care, Raul.
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2018, 05:38:25 am »
Hentrich,

Thank you for your words. Indeed 777 is an interesting number.

And yes I am relieved for my father. His suffering and agony ended yesterday. Last Saturday he turned 82 years old. He was already very delicate. He could not urinate well from that Saturday afternoon until Sunday afternoon. Then he seemed a little better. The doctor prescribed medication. He could not eat much and drink water. Many times he did not swallow the food and later spit what he ate. My sister tried to feed him and give him his medication but it was almost impossible. So the doctor told us to accompany him and do what we could.

On Tuesday the doctor said that he was agonizing but he was delaying his departure. The old man was very strong. Last month while we were trying to move him in his bed, he almost grabbed my sister´s throat and almost kicked me in the face. In the morning my sister told me the old man smiled a little and called his deceased cousin many times. This cousin was his childhood friend too. All this time while he had some consciousness he called out to his mother in Spanish and Guarani.

Several times he said in a loud voice, “Dead”, “Kill me”, “Let me die” and finally,as far as I remember, “shoot me”. Sometimes he could utter some sentences in a clear way but most of the time it was difficult to understand him.Then yesterday afternoon we gave him his medication with water, he started sweating a lot, we moved him a little in the bed, then he opened his eyes very wide, started gasping and opened his mouth very wide and there he could not breathe and suddenly he stopped breathing completely. His hands went completely soft, lifeless. It all happened very fast.

My sister called the doctor and he came one hour later. He checked his eyes and his throat and pronounced him deceased. That is all I remember.Then he proceeded to prepare the death certificate requesting all the personal and medical details. He gave his condolescences and his fees were paid. Later my sister called other people and the funeral service. This morning I have to go to the cemetery office and do the paperwork for his burial while my sister does all the other proceedings. All this costs money. Even in death one must pay taxes. But the old man rests in peace.

Now my sister and I will try to do our best.

Stay well.

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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2018, 08:04:17 am »
Senor  Raul,

Please accept my deepest condolences.Yes, life is that fragile. Here one moment and gone in the next.Please  remember that  we all will   occupy  the  death bed soon. Memento Mori. What beats me completely is that I just cannot make head  or tail  of existence.

I am sure that he would himself have  suffered a great deal.You see, he ,like the rest of us was bereft of free-will.
Existence gives us the cards,and even when they  are really,really bad cards we are forced to play-we have no choice in the matter.

Take care dear Senor  Raul of Paraguay.
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« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2018, 08:08:42 am »
Senor Raul,

All this suffering, all this pain & agony -to what end? I have often noticed that you play with the imagery of hell  when you describe  this planet & you are right-it is  hell.  Even the  smartest amongst us cannot escape the pain-it  is   inbuilt in the very fabric  of existence.
What is  this malignant force that perpetuates  existence-it is all so confusing as to drive one insane-stark raving mad-"carpeting chewing","foaming at mouth"  mad.

Yesterday itself,and  it  is  the  gospel  truth,  I  was in the office  ,just trying  to mind  business  & making sure that no body stabbed me in the back,well,  all  of sudden  (well, there was a gradual build up to it,now  that I think about it),I  began to feel so  concupiscent  against my better understanding that I was reminded of  the scenes in the  horror movies  wherein the possessed man is flung from one part of  the  room to the other,against the walls too, with  extreme  force by  the evil  spirit within & he is no better than  a rag-doll.

At  that moment, the  force is so  strong  that it compels  one to kneel down  in  front of any wench passing by-that is when one gets to understand why people reproduce-they have no say in the  matter
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2018, 08:25:44 am »
Senor Raul,

Schopenhauer says"Directly after copulation the devil's laughter is heard".I only wish to add that at the moment conception,he is seen  gambolling at some distance & at the delivery he is stands triumphant -upfront  & personal.

Yes, I see can, if not for my extreme introversion(which I have now come to regard as my biggest strength),how I would  have surrendered to some woman. How ,my very soul trembles in fear  as I  write this, I might have reproduced.If  the worst came to the worst,I would simply run away into the forest-die of starvation,but not a in thousand lives, would I reproduce.If the choice were between being the criminal of the millennium or being a father, I would choose the former every single time.

Its just ,way too much. Our nervous systems are not strong enough to take so much battering.Yes,  you are  a true modern  day prophet.You speak the truth loud & clear & like  all truth it is bitter-oh so very bitter. But it is a taste that I relish greatly.Man  oh man, what  kind of purgatory and limbo we are stuck in, one can barely begin to imagine. Every body wants to kill,in the most brutal manner possible, every one else-not mincing any words here, just  the way things  stand. Some picnic!

Every buffoon  feels he will be able to provide a "nice ,healthy & congenial" atmosphere to his "wife and kids". Yes ,that's just great,in fact that's really perfect,isn't ?

P.S.: Please don't feel alone, we are here with you.  Suffering right  beside you.Please take care ,Senor.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2018, 10:38:03 am »
senor raul,
my condolences for your father's passing. I hope you less painful days ahead.
keep posting here. your posts, Hentrich and Holden are appreciated.

Stay safe in Paraguay 
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2018, 06:09:41 pm »
Holden,

Thank you, Holden, for your very kind words. I also thank Hentrich and Ibra for their words. From faraway Paraguay I appreciate your words very much. We have just buried the old man in a municipality cemetery in the city of Lambaré, not far from Asuncion.

Before closing the casket I saw his face through the mirror for the last time. An acquaintance said some prayers in Spanish and wished us well. He was placed together with my late maternal grandmother and mother. If it were for me I would have buried him with only my presence and my sister. There were my cousins and uncles and other acquaintances. I said hello and shook hands with most of them and tried to smile. They offered their condolescences but
I did not pay attention. I wanted the whole thing to finish fast. The man in charge of building the place was drunk but there was no problem. But may my father rest in peace.

As you say, we all will occupy the death bed soon. The burden of existence is too much to bear. However, we, human beings are very resilient in facing tragedy. As you say most have mush inside their heads.

Although I have no religious beliefs, I cannot avoid using religious imagery. Hell is here on Earth. A planet that does not belong to us. We are prisoners but in a strange way we are temporary prisoners on this Earth.

Take care.

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Remarks On Existential Nihilism (2)
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2018, 11:31:50 am »
As is my habit, I abruptly ceased engaging with all math and programming at about 1AM "last night."  A couple nights ago I had been up until nearly 5AM working on a "Complex Numbers" program using C++ <complex>, but having completed that code yesterday, which even includes an option for finding the N roots of the Nth root of a complex number, I spontaneously jumped back into the "notes" distributed in the form of a [free] Kindle book on A M A Z O N dot COM. 


I swear, it was like reading posts from this message board.   This Jack Ernest, a regular non-academic individual, shares many of our gripes and fears, and encourages us to be very critical of our societies.


I want to add some excerpts here as I may later send them to my adult nephew in an email.  He might benefit from these at this juncture of his life.


All material below the double lines are excerpts from Remarks On Nihilism

I do this so that I can quote his quotes.


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What education does is it makes us oblivious to perceiving people as threats. We become so used to knowing people that it becomes second nature to us to meet people. Instead of seeing people as threats to one’s security, we see them as a necessity. In other words, one instinctively says that they need to know people in order to be happy. The reality is (and I allude to it throughout these notes) that you need to be less known to be more secure. You need to be anonymous to be truly free. I admit that it sounds so absurd and alien to the current model of existence but that is only because of the extent of the brainwashing you are subjected to when young. Capitalism is a conglomerate of insecurity. You make people insecure. You have parents who tell you how to behave; you then are educated and again told how to behave; you then must work and again are told how to behave. You make people interact with each other, which in turn makes them fear each other, which in turn makes them insecure, which in turn makes them conform, which in turn is the crankshaft of the economic world as we know it to be.

Quote from: Noam Chomsky
The whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and who think for themselves, and who don't know how to be submissive, and so on -- because they're dysfunctional to the institutions.


When the insecure individual thinks of solitude they think of a negative interpretation from the herd.

Think about it. No one ever comes out and tells their parents they are going to live alone. There is an onus on the individual that they will get married or at least try to. This is how the system sustains itself. You condition children to want to live a certain way and when they grow up they do their all to realize this.

Normative Social Influence says part of the reason we conform is to be liked. In other words, we conform to be labelled positively. Sartre called it Bad Faith. We are so afraid of being negatively labelled by society should we choose to deviate from conformity, that we are condemned to conform. This is particularly the case of the narcissist. They are so afraid of negative labels that they play the role of a husband/wife or father/mother. They are not authentic to themselves. They wilt to societal pressures purely so they can be idolized.

We are all mad; but madness practiced by a majority is considered normality. Conformity is a madness. An organized delusion is a normalized delusion. Psychiatric illness is relative.

Why doesn’t psychiatry declare religion a madness?


Remember what Arthur Schopenhauer said: "We take the limits of our field of vision to be the limits of the world."

 In that spirit, being in a relationship and working are things we have come to accept as normal. The schizophrenic is labelled insane; the individual who conforms implicitly is regarded as a valued member of society. We cannot fathom the insanity of being in love or working because we are conditioned to it. What we define as madness is relative. There are no rules in this nihilistic universe. What we call schizophrenia could be euphoria in another world. A relationship involving two people is neither right nor wrong, but it is convenient.


 
If intelligent life from another galaxy were to observe mankind, they would deduce a few things. They would see an animal that has learned to reason but yet attests to himself that he cannot be happy unless he is loved by another person. This is macro-scale insanity. That we exclaim to ourselves we cannot be happy until we are loved is a form of madness.

Normality is statistically relative. It depends on the perception of the herd and how many of the herd think that way. If only one in a hundred fell in love, then love would be the psychosis.


To believe in god is to be religious; to hear voices from that same god is to be schizophrenic. If I feel the presence of god I am a saint; if I listen to what god says to me I am sent to the asylum. One loses faith with psychiatry when they fail to diagnose the belief in the divine as a psychiatric illness. And what of love? Should the individual who refuses to be happy until they are in love not be classified as psychiatrically ill? The law-abiding member of society is classed as an esteemed man or woman. In a parallel-world he or she is deemed a psychological heretic. What we determine to be healthy behaviour is not a fundamental constant of nature. It depends on what the herd decides is acceptable. The free world as we understand it is the asylum. The lie is that you have to “live” in order to live.


[I have to wonder, did Senor Raul write this book?;)


There is a contradiction with regards money. We need it to pay for our health insurance, but in earning money we neglect our health. Then when we are awash with lots of money but our health is declining we pour all our earned money into our health to try and prolong it. But it is too late to tend to ourselves.


Imagine a foreign world in another galaxy, where there is a cultural phenomenon that makes its inhabitants obsess with being in the company of another person and being approved by the person to be happy. Thus, their whole life is built around finding this other person and one cannot be happy until they have found this said person. Us humans, analysing this world would think it is a terrible system. Yet this is precisely what happens on earth. Insecure men and especially women remark to themselves that they cannot be happy in this universe until they are in love and have found this special person. It is a narcissistic disease that infects the individual when young and consequently is arguably the prime source of unhappiness within the individual.


Take an impromptu hike through a busy city street and you will discern madness all around you. They criminalize prostitution but why don’t they criminalize marriage? We take what we see for granted. No one ever questions why an attractive woman is lauded for her appearance. Why not castigate her for being attractive? Why don’t we live in a world where love was a crime and working was capital-punishment? The power of conformity (the will to conform) casts an enormous shadow over society.


The economic system does not directly tell people how to behave. That would be authoritarian. What it does is suggest, rather sneakily, how to become happy. Low and behold, this being happy benefits the economic system.

What did psychiatrists like RD Laing, Rollo May and Erich Fromm say? They said just because billions of people do or want the same things, doesn’t make those billions of people sane. What we come to regard as life, is in ways an illusion, but one that benefits the economic system. In the vastness of the universe, where else will you find
love and work?

 The shrewdest component is not the lie but rather who tells it. The government does not have to brainwash society because it gets parents, doctors, teachers, celebrities, films, books, music and so on, to brainwash the next generation.


 The propaganda pertaining towards relationships is relentless. Parents, friends, doctors, psychologists, magazines, books, films all show or emphasize people in love. The individual is drowned in so much propaganda that they believe it unconditionally. It becomes familiar to them instinctively through the Mere Exposure Theory. In other words, they become brainwashed. In order to be labelled correctly by the herd, they must conform.

This material or commoditized happiness destroys man. This symbol of happiness through relationships, families, work, friendship, commodities etc. ultimately prevents man from being happy.


Quote from: Arthur Schopenhauer
Almost all of our sorrows spring out of our relations with other people.

You never hear the powers that be state that if only you avoided interaction you could live a simple life.

We have more money but less wealth; more food but less comfort; more friends but less friendship.

Quote from: Charles Bukowski
How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 8.30 am by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shiiT, piisSS, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?

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I will run this through a translator to Spanish. 

Senor Raul,


Please advise me if you have the option to translate this entire page to Spanish with the click of a button on your web browser.  If so, I will no longer translate important "transmissions."





 





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Jack Ernest escribe:

Lo hace qué educación es nos hace olvidadizos a percibir a gente como amenazas. We become so used to knowing people that it becomes second nature to us to meet people. En vez de ver a gente como amenazas para su seguridad, las vemos como necesidad. Es decir uno dice por instinto que necesitan conocer a la gente para ser felices.

La realidad es (y le aludo en todas partes de estas notas) que tiene que menos conocerse que usted es más seguro. Usted tiene que ser anónimo para ser realmente libre. Confieso que parece tan absurdo y ajeno al modelo corriente de la existencia pero es sólo debido al grado del lavado de cerebro usted es sujetado a cuando joven. El capitalismo es un conglomerado de inseguridad.


 Usted hace a gente insegura. Usted tiene a padres que le dicen como comportarse; le entonces educan y se dicen otra vez cómo comportarse; usted entonces debe trabajar y se dice otra vez cómo comportarse. Usted hace a gente interactiva con uno a, que alternadamente le hace el miedo, que alternadamente la hace insegura, que que alternadamente hace que ella se conforma, que alternadamente es el cigüeñal del mundo económico como lo sabemos para ser.

Noam Chomsky: El sistema del entrenamiento educativo y profesional del conjunto es un filtro muy elaborado, que justo escarda hacia fuera a gente que son demasiado independiente, y que piensan para sí mismos, y que no sabe ser sumiso, y así sucesivamente -- porque ella es disfuncional a las instituciones.



 Cuando el individuo inseguro piensa en soledad piensan en una interpretación negativa de la manada.

Piense de él. Nadie sale siempre y dice a sus padres que van a vivir solamente. Hay una responsabilidad en el individuo con quien conseguirán casados o por lo menos intentarán. Éste es cómo el sistema se sostiene. Usted condiciona a niños desear vivir cierta manera y cuando crecen para arriba hacen sus todos para realizar esto.


La influencia social normativa dice que la parte de la razón que nos conformamos debe ser tenida gusto. Es decir nos conformamos para ser etiquetados positivamente. Sartre lo llamó mala fe. Somos así que asustado negativamente del etiquetado por la sociedad elegimos desviarnos de conformidad, de que nos condenan para conformarnos. Éste es particularmente el caso del narcissist. Están tan asustados de etiquetas negativas que desempeñan el papel de un marido/de una esposa o de un padre/de una madre. No son auténticos a sí mismos. Se marchitan a las presiones societal puramente así que pueden idolized.

Somos todos locos; pero la locura practicada por una mayoría se considera normalidad. La conformidad es una locura. Un delusion organizado es un delusion normalizado. La enfermedad psiquiátrica es relativa.

¿Por qué la psiquiatría no declara la religión una locura?

Recuerde qué Arturo Schopenhauer: 'Tomamos los penas de nuestro campo visual para ser los límites del mundo.'

En aquel espíritu, que está en una relación y funcionamiento son cosas que hemos venido para aceptar como normal. El esquizofrénico es etiquetado insano; el individuo que se conforma implícitamente es considerado como un miembro valorado de la sociedad. No podemos comprender la locura de estar enamorado o trabajar porque le somos condicionados. Lo que definimos cuando la locura es relativa. No hay ningunas reglas en este universo nihilista. Lo que llamamos la esquizofrenia podría ser la euforia en otro mundo. Una relación que implica a las dos personas no es, ni derecho, ni incorrecto, pero es conveniente.

Si la vida inteligente de otra galaxia fuera observar a humanidad, ella deduciría algunas cosas. Verían un animal que ha aprendido razonar pero con todo atestigua a se que él no puede ser feliz a menos que él sea amara por otra persona. Ésta es locura de la macroescala. Que nos clamamos contra a nosotros mismos no puede ser feliz hasta que somos amamos somos una forma de locura.

La normalidad es estadístico pariente. Depende de la opinión de la manada y cuántos de la manada piensan esa manera. Si solamente uno en ciento bajara en amor, entonces ame sería la psicosis.

Creer en dios es ser religiosa; oír voces de ese mismo dios es ser esquizofrenico. Si siento la presencia del dios que soy un santo; si escucho lo que me dice el dios a mí me envío al asilo. Uno pierde la fe con psiquiatría cuando no pueden diagnosticar la creencia en el divino como enfermedad psiquiátrica. ¿Y qué del amor? ¿Debe el individuo que rechaza ser feliz hasta que deben en amor no ser clasificados como psiquiátrico enfermedad? Clasifican al miembro observante de la ley de la sociedad como un hombre o mujer estimado. En un paralelo-mundo lo o la juzgan un heretic psicologico. Qué nos determinamos de ser sanos el comportamiento no es una constante fundamental de la naturaleza. Depende de lo que decide la manada es aceptable.  El mundo libre como lo entendemos es el asilo. La mentira es que usted tiene que “vivir” para vivir.


Hay una contradicción con el dinero del respeto. Lo necesitamos pagar nuestro seguro médico, pero en la ganancia dinero de nosotros descuidamos nuestra salud. Entonces cuando somos inundados con las porciones de dinero pero de nuestra salud somos declinando vertemos todo nuestro dinero ganado en nuestra salud al intento y lo prolongamos. Pero es demasiado atrasado tender a nosotros mismos.

Imaginar un mundo extranjero en otra galaxia, donde hay un fenómeno cultural que hace que sus habitantes obsesionan con estar en la compañía de otra persona y que es aprobada por la persona para ser feliz. Así, su vida entera se construye alrededor de encontrar a esta otra persona y una no puede ser feliz hasta que han encontrado a esta persona dicha. Los seres humanos, analizando este mundo pensaríamos que es un sistema terrible. Con todo esto es exacto qué sucede en la tierra. Los hombres y especialmente las mujeres inseguros comentan a sí mismos que no pueden ser felices en este universo hasta que están en amor y haber encontrado a esta persona especial. Es una enfermedad narcissistic que infecta a individuo cuando los jóvenes y por lo tanto es discutible la fuente primera de la infelicidad dentro del individuo.

Tome un alza improvisada a través de una calle ocupada de la ciudad y usted discernirá locura todo alrededor de usted. ¿Criminalize la prostitución pero porqué no criminalize la unión? Tomamos lo que vemos para concedido. Nadie siempre preguntas porqué alaban a una mujer atractiva para su aspecto. ¿Por qué no castigarla para ser atractivo? ¿Por qué no vivimos en un mundo donde estaba un crimen el amor y el trabajo era capital-castigo? La energía de la conformidad (la voluntad a conformarse) echa una sombra enorme sobre sociedad.

El sistema económico directamente no dice a gente cómo comportarse. Eso sería autoritario. Qué lo hace es sugiere, algo disimuladamente, cómo llegar a ser feliz. Bajo y behold, el este ser ventajas felices el sistema económico.

¿Qué los siquiatras como RD Laing, Rollo mayo y Erich Fromm dijeron? Dijeron apenas porque los mil millones de gente hacen o desean las mismas cosas, no hacen a esos mil millones de la gente sanos. Qué venimos mirar como vida, es de maneras una ilusión, pero de una que beneficie el sistema económico. ¿En el vastness del universo, dónde usted encontrará  amor y trabajará?

 El componente más shrewdest no es la mentira pero algo quién la dice. El gobierno no tiene que lavar el cerebro a sociedad porque consigue a padres, doctores, profesores, celebridades, películas, libros, música y así sucesivamente, para lavar el cerebro la generación siguiente.

 La propaganda que pertenece hacia relaciones es implacable. Los padres, amigos, doctores, psicólogos, compartimientos, libros, películas todas demuestran o acentúan a gente en amor. Ahogan al individuo en tanto propaganda que la creen incondicional. Llega a ser familiar a ellos por instinto con la teoría mera de la exposición. Es decir se lavan el cerebro. Para ser etiquetado correctamente por la manada, deben conformarse.

Este material o felicidad commoditized destruyen al hombre. Este símbolo de la felicidad por relaciones, familias, trabajo, amistad, los bienes tangibles etc. por último impiden al hombre ser feliz.


Arthur Schopenhauer:Almost toda la primavera de nuestro afligiendose de nuestras relaciones con otra gente.

Usted nunca oye los poderes que ser estado que si sólo usted evitara la interacción usted podría vivir una vida simple.

Tenemos más dinero, pero menos riqueza; más alimento pero menos comodidad; más amigos pero menos amistad.


Charles Bukowski:
¿Cómo en el infierno podría un hombre disfrutar siendo despertado en 8.30 son por un despertador, salto de cama, vestido, alimentan a la fuerza, cagan, orina, cepillan dientes y pelo, y tráfico de lucha para ponerse a un lugar donde esencialmente usted hizo mucho dinero para alguien más y fue pedido estar agradecido por la oportunidad de hacer así?

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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2018, 02:50:12 am »
Senor Raul,

There was  a huge fire in the city yesterday. Goods worth millions have been gutted. You see,  in one of the Indian Newspapers,I saw an Ad-it says that the world gets “sad” when you don’t explore it. The “world” obviously does no such thing. Now, Schopenhauer believed in something which maybe called as “Perennial  Philosophy”. Something which is true in all places and at all times.Hegel on the other hand hawks a theory according to which the “human  history” is evolving-for the better. History does no such thing of course. It merely repeats the same old misery.

Most people are afraid of an “independent man”.Someone who does not care for anyone’s opinions, someone who is not beholden to the “standards of the society”. Most cannot meet his gaze-so they try to gouge out his eyes.

They all get together like a pack of domesticated dogs & try to bring down the lone wolf. And quite often they do succeed.  The safeguard is in indifference. I try to be as different to everyone around me as possible.

Whatever differences there may be between the Paraguayan and Indian society or between the American and the Indian one are merely superficial-the core is the same-it  is necessarily always the same.And the core is completely rotten.


The buggers ask in the interviews where do you see yourself 5 years down the line,well, actually I can hardly know what I will be doing 5 minutes down the line & also, but if you really want to know –I see myself 5 feet under after 5 years from now.

We are talking about Wittgenstein  some days back-he says somewhere that the meaning of the world is not to be found in the world but “outside” it.What I think he means is that there is no meaning to be found in the empirical and tangible things.It is to be found,well,  I think it is to be found in a transcendent realm which by definition cannot be adequately described.

I am doing a bit of math-no much, some here ,some there, what I find rather surprising is how meaningless the academicians turn math into. Most academicians  are gorts.They just  want money for the wife and the kids & the rest of the world can go to hell in a hand basket for all they care.
“My” wife,”my “ kids.  But when the Noumenon emerges …out of the very mundane stuff their lives are made of ,they  try to run and hide.
Only there is no where to hide.And they cannot run forever.

Keep well.
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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2018, 12:35:42 pm »
Hentrich,

Thank you for your comments and the translation into Spanish. I will read it. There is no problem with the translation. I thank you for the Spanish version. I can do it here.

I think it is you or Holden might have written that book instead of Jack Ernest. Both of you have a talent for the written word. A true gift but also a dangerous one. I have no such talent.

As I said most do not want to deal with existential issues. Too disturbing. It means problems with the family, friends, neighbors, bosses, wives or husbands, etc,. I have been told that my supposedly lack of achievements and so-called life experiences has led me to think these dark thoughts. I am no entertainer. They would say that I have wasted my life. Hahaha. What a world!

To those who go to church or a temple, I would like to say that their prayers and kneeling will lead them nowhere. But I understand the need for them. This world already belongs to demonic powers. Human beings are livestock here but predators at the same time. 

If I say that a woman is a castrated man and engineered to breed and fatten the prison farm most would suggest a visit to a psychologist. Besides they would say that I am insulting their mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers. They would call me “hijo de puta” in Spanish and in Guarani which sounds stronger. Probably not even my sister would speak to me.

Yes, we are a condemned species as you say.


Take care and drive safely.

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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2018, 07:15:20 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your comments. So Hegel,as you say, says that human history is evolving for the better. What nonsense! I suppose, forgive my ignorance, that it is a good way to justify all the harm and torture that human beings cause in the name of history. A big lie taught to the slaves in the prisons called schools and universities. A big lie taught by slave teachers and professors.

These teachers, instructors and professor are part of a new species called homo academicus, as you already know. All this torture, sorrow, misery, pain, butchery, stupidity, and harm turned into a subject called history. Yes, this sadistic experiment in this miserable day care center is called history.

In the name of Shitty history, the entire world will be micro-chipped. Surveillance at all times. The domesticated slaves might revolt.

Since we have no say in our coming to this world, at least we should be taught how to be idle most of the time. But that did not happen, does not happen and it won´t happen. Be busy all the time! Make money all the time! Consume all the time! Obey all the time! Be productive! Be positive! Think what we tell you to think!

Yes, the system does not want lone wolves. Too dangerous.

Stay safe.

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Re: Nihilism
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2018, 02:05:09 am »
Senor Raul,

You possess first class philosophical instincts.Yes, most  of the philosophers ,indeed, most of the mankind believe in some sort of progress in history.Hinduism believes in the cyclic history though. Eternally repeating cyclic history. While I grew up in a sort of traditional Hindu family   most of my cousins only focus on the ritualistic aspects of hinduism.I am being able of grasp the philosophical aspects of the ancient hindu scriptures only because of Schopenhauer's books.


They way I see it -marriage,children & formal/professional employment are traps. Once one is caught it is well nigh impossible to get out. I have been dodging the first two for a while now,&I will feel truly well only the day I can get rid of the  third  one  too.Tuberculosis came to save Kafka from wage slavery & I don't think I would particularly mind it myself.

You see ,Senor Raul, you said  that you don't know much about philosophy- but that's not true at all. You are  one of the best philosophers of life I  have come across. Those who  teach the subject in the universities only  to earn  their bread  and  butter are no philosophers.
The true philosopher  is born not made. In the subway everyday I get  to see a lot of "love birds". They must think of me as a really strange creature too-morose & almost  catatonic.They want to party all the time. The workplace of course of far worse as there  they can  penalise me and often do.

Well, keep well in Paraguay.

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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2018, 07:11:36 am »
Holden,
Thank you for your words. Yes, the true philosopher is born not made. You and Hentrich are true philosophers. But true philosophers, in my view, are not welcome in this world. Most  don't want to know what human beings are doing on this planet. What is the point or meaning of all this if we have to die?
All this world is built on lies, as you have said. To those in power, wealth and influence who are in real control of this Earth, human beings are only a beautiful pile of corpses. We are just meat to be processed as it happens to livestock in a cold storage plant. 

Yes, Holden, you are a strange creature. Yes, your colleagues want to party all the time.  They go to work, stroll in the park, have breakfast, sleep, talk, sshiit, pee, pay bills, visit their families, look after their offspring, call people, etc.

Most endure this life because they enjoy food and sex. Our animal will to life is strong. The pleasure sensors in us help us to endure this tragedy. Lions, cats, and dogs are in a better position than humans. They do not need to work to death for basic needs like saving money for the uncertain future or worry about clothing.

All of these activities, as you have said, are distractions. But the path is inevitable, we are heading toward  death, aging, the hospital, or self-extinction. The thing is that you are able to see all this madness very clearly.

From time to time I see the tired faces of men and women. Broken inside by this so-called life. But even their sad looks does not make us feel compassion. We are predators but on a smaller scale. Love is unthinkable.

Stay safe.