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« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2017, 05:53:50 am »
Hentrich,
Una cosa que aprendí con el inglés es a no tener miedo a cometer errores. Lo más importante es comunicarse con la gente y no importa si el vocabulario es limitado o la gramática es incorrecta. Lo importante es transmitir el mensaje.

Aquí no tengo con quien hablar sobre estos temas. Es difícil porque la gente no quiere pensar porque pensar exige preguntar, cuestionarse todo el mundo que nos rodea. Es cuestionar al Poder porque el Poder ordena al mundo. Vivimos en un mundo absurdo. Muchos cuestionan la sociedad del espectáculo pero tienen televisión en su casa. Critican el consumismo pero tienen tarjetas de crédito. Muchos hablan del peligro de la clonación pero ya tenemos clonación y es la cirugía estética, el método Pilates para bajar de peso, y los seminarios de motivación. Entiendo que a todos nos gusta la belleza y esto pasa porque nuestro mundo es muy feo. Tampoco queremos cuestionarnos el motivo de la presencia de los seres humanos en este planeta. Nacer y morir, nacer para sufrir y morir sufriendo. Todo es un diabólico juego o una especie de circo romano donde los humanos somos los gladiadores derramando sangre con placer. Pocos entienden que este mundo es una matadero. Somos unos castrados mentales, 

Aquellos que son supuestamente intelectuales o por lo menos gente que lee, ya tienen toda su estructura psicológica y anímica construida. Si ellos ven el mundo como un como un jardín; bueno ya no se puede decir nada más. Toda nuestra vida nos drogamos con mentiras. Vivimos en un gran infierno. Nuestro mundo, es decir, los seres humanos, somos realmente trágicos y sólo una minoría puede entender eso. Lamentablemente, el resto es carne de cañón.

Hace tiempo leí que los nihilistas piensan que todo lo que hacemos es inútil; obramos como si todo lo que hacemos fuera inútil. Estamos derrotados sin siquiera luchar. Todo esto es muy deprimente. Otros dicen que el mundo es un lugar trágico sin  sentido, donde los hombres están solos, sin ninguna ayuda. El único Mesías es la muerte. Hombres y mujeres somos los mismos monstruos, las mismas bestias viciosas y malas. Estamos enfermos de miedo. Esclavos en todo sentido. ¿ Y quién quiere escuchar estas palabras?

Para mí,Hentrich, es importante escribir en este blog. Tengo una pobre experiencia de la vida. Se sufre, se muere en este mundo. No podemos saber mucho. Uno nace hombre o mujer. Esto ya es un problema. Vemos la vida en forma parcial.No soy una persona culta como tú o como el señor Holden pero algunas cosas puedo entender. Yo creo que hay mucha gente que seguramente quiere expresar sus opiniones pero no pueden. Estos temas son muy difíciles.

Que te vaya bien. Mucho cuidado al manejar tu auto.

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Re: Remembering Mainlander
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2017, 09:41:39 am »
Siéntase libre de continuar escribiendo aquí en el idioma con el que se sienta más cómodo. Yo traduzco con google.

Feel free to continue writing here in the language you are most comfortable with.   I translate with google.

We are not afraid of facing unpleasant facts.

No tenemos miedo de enfrentar hechos desagradables.
Things They Will Never Tell YouArthur Schopenhauer has been the most radical and defiant of all troublemakers.

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« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2017, 01:03:52 pm »
Hentrich,
Thank you for your words. If I have difficulties with some words, I will write them in Spanish.
As you say, we are not afraid of facing unpleasant facts. And that is really the problem.

I found this quote:

The few humans in this world whom I can tolerate or like are outcasts. Some are functional and can work in the normal world, but they are still outcasts. Others few, just losers to the world, a couple others even agressive, hating what others love, like the frail so-called heroism of mankind, the flesh, hating the act of breeding, unable to fit in a normal family-man-politically correct work. The only people who seem to like me are them. Not that I care if someone likes me, but it is interesting to see. Those outcasts who despise others on their family, streets, jobs, etc, seem to be happy to share a few beers with me and even vent out, tell a joke. Usually nasty, gory or dark humour."

Stay safe and drive safely.

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« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2017, 01:36:02 pm »
l feel most fortunate to have the two of you to learn from.I obtain a great deal of moral courage to counter the gort -  corporate propoganda from you.

I remember “Visions,” an essay by Jung describing the psychiatrist’s brush with death. He had been hospitalised and in a coma when he suddenly felt himself out of his body and drifting many kilometres above the planet. As he was about to enter a temple floating in space, the form of his doctor shimmered up to him in its archetypal form, that of a basileus of Kos. The doctor upbraided him and demanded he return to his body so that he could finish his work on earth. An instant later, Jung was awake in his hospital bed. His first emotion was concern for his doctor, because he had appeared in his archetypal form,indeed, his doctor fell ill weeks later and soon was dead. But the dominant emotions Jung had felt– and continued to feel for the next six months–were depression and rage at being back in a body and a world and a universe that he now perceived as “boxes.” I wonder if the three–dimensional universe is an artificial construction designed to be entered for the working out of specific problems..

Does the Will put on a body as men put on diving suits in order to enter the ocean and work in the depths of an alien world? Do we choose the pain that we innocently suffer?

Is it possible for a man to be a man without pain, or at least the possibility of pain. Would he not be no more than a chess–playing android?

Did "I" deliberately choose this crucible in order to be able to  work out my salvation with extreme fear and trembling, before time began and the fiery firmaments had been flung?

Keep well and thank you.




La Tristesse Durera Toujours                                  (The Sadness Lasts Forever ...)
-van Gogh.

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« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2017, 02:53:28 pm »
Holden,
I think,Holden, that I learn much more from you. As I said, your erudition is vast and as they say in American English, you get to the point.

I only read that Carl Jung said that the old fear death and the young fear life.
I do not think we choose the pain we suffer. There is an imposition. It is nothing new,you have written this before.
Life hurts us in every way possible,mentally,psychologically and physically. Our bodies are coffins in this reign of terror.

You wrote this: "This body, this prison made of flesh,blood,bones and nerves would never let me forget, how horribly I suffer, or the fact that I am stuck in this terrible nightmare."

This topic of working out one´s salvation makes me think that we were put in these bodies as a punishment. Do we know what we are guilty of? What was the crime? Can we be guilty if we are not free? The best thing is to be dressed in black,from the moment of our births,until our death. In mourning for the rest of our lives.

Take care.

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« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2017, 09:22:18 pm »
Senor Raul,
Well, the idea of self imposed exile is present in the writings of both Schopenhauer and Cioran.

Every day I relive the expulsion from Paradise with the same passion and the same regret as the one who was first banished.-Cioran

This alignment with the Prince of Darkness should not be seen as some mythical figuration of a fractured mind, but as the inner truth of a knowing mind that has discovered the black light of his own guiding thought,for are we not all, part and partial, victims of that ancient cosmic catastrophe we call creation in this monstrous universe. If one sees a closeness and rapport between the ideas of Cioran and the gnostics it is only a false resemblance, for Cioran’s gnosis, if he had one, is different, and far deadlier, closer to a counter-gnosis in the sense that he has admitted to himself that he too is one of those dark angelic powers who renounced their heavenly home and chose, willingly, the exile .

“From denial to denial , his existence is diminished: vaguer and more unreal than a syllogism of sighs , how could he still be a creature of flesh and blood? Anemic , he rivals the Idea it self ; he has abstracted himself from his ancestors , from his friends , from every soul and himself; in his veins , once turbulent , rests a light from another world. Liberated from what he has lived, unconcerned by what he will live; he demolishes the signposts on all his roads , and wrests himself from the dials of all time. ” I shall never meet myself again, ” he decides, happy to turn his last hat red against himself, happier still to annihilate—in his forgiveness—all beings , all things .
– E. M. Cioran, A Short History of Decay

Like some bodhisattva of anti-being he roams the blasted universe  as the exiled one, the one without a home, homeless and full of annihilation for all things in their bleakness.

Senor, does it get very cold in Paraguay too?
La Tristesse Durera Toujours                                  (The Sadness Lasts Forever ...)
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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2017, 08:48:04 am »
Holden,
This year we did not have many cold days. They say it here this happens because of the so-called climate change. Now it is 30 degrees Celsius,very hot. Usual.

What is Paradise? That human beings lacked consciousness; that we had no awareness of awareness?
Maybe that. No clue. We,humans, are just pawns,here.

Certainly we are victims of this cosmic catastrophe called creation. Creation and destruction is part of this universe and human are only spectators and victims. Others say humans are freaks in this void that became a vertebrate called man.
Before man came into being, the prison walls were built to house the prisoners made of flesh and bones. Creation makes all this hell possible.

Stay well.

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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2017, 02:35:53 pm »
Senor Raul,you are right.The only paradise is unconsciousness.
It is 1 am here now and they are still blasting bollywood music outside.What is this celebration all about?
By the way Senor,have you watched a movie called Pi?

It's the story of dysfunctional genius Max Cohen, whose research into the infinite number 3.141 etcetera etcetera leads him into a vortex of mysticism and dementia.

It's a masterpiece of psychological expressionism. I love the intensity of the headache scenes. When Max is looking in the mirror picking at his head reminds me of the inky grittiness of Taxi Driver and the industrial, dream-like escapism of Eraserhead. The scenes where Max is walking around, feeling paranoid; the camera is close to his head and centered on him chewing his fingers while the background is disorientating and dizzy. And the way it flashes to ordinary people staring at him.
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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2017, 05:24:23 pm »
Holden,
I don´t watch movies very much here. I heard of Pi. Did you see the movie with Jeremy Irons about Ramanujan?
 About the celebrations, well, I think people there, as well as here, will tell you that a new year brings opportunities, love, money, new promotion, a holiday in Brazil on the beaches, new car or a new apartment, all of them distractions to make you avoid thinking that you are on a death row on Planet Earth.

I read a little about the barbelognostics, who believed that there was an eighth heaven where a woman, daughter of the true god, the unknown Father, gave birth to Sabaoth, the master of the seventh heaven. But this son rebelled against the mother and against the true god and decided to become master of the world. “I am the Eternal One”, he said. The members of this sect shared their women, spent their lives in an endless banquet, ate good food, they surrendered to orgies and debauchery. They had Mass with their semen, which according to them, it represented the body of Christ. When a woman conceived, they extracted the embryo of the matrix, mixed it with honey, pepper and scents and all of them took and ate the mashed fetus.

What these men, in their time, was a true celebration. Celebration of the heretics.

Stay safe.

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Re: Remembering Mainlander
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2018, 08:54:25 pm »
I do think that your pursuit is worthwhile Herr Hentrich.It is far better than that of  courting women,holding down a job, chasing promotions, being a slave to a boss,filling up the house with useless goods.

Like Schopenhauer we are doomed to be considered as an anomaly by history.The first lesson every pessimist must learn is that he is a doomed man.Being pessimist,by definition,rules out any positive expectations from future.Future is history.The best predictor of what is likely to happen in the future is the past.

Senor Raul,
Yes I have watched the movie about Ramanuja.I greatly appreciate the nuggets which you mine out-like SPK and the  gnostics that ate foetuses.
Keep well.
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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2018, 05:19:02 am »
Holden,
Thank you for your words. I read that every 40 seconds, someone commit suicide around the world.
Let me share this poem with you:
Richard Cory

Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
We people on the pavement
looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown
Clean favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly
arrayed,
And he was always human when
he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when
he said,
"Good morning", and he glittered
when he walked.

And he was rich -yes, richer
than a king-
And admirably schooled in
every grace:
In fine, we tought that he was
everything
To make us wish that we were in
his place.

So on we worked, and waited for
the light,
And went without the meat, and
cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm
summer night,
Went home and put a bullet
through his head.

Stay safe.


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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2018, 01:20:23 pm »
Thanks for the poem Senor Raul.Would you agree that it is a philosophical error to impose any categorical distinction between the realm of the non-biological sphere  that of the biological, living sphere.

The pre-Socratics were right in interpreting the Universe-as-organism, and Schopenhauer also knew this. As we know, Schopenhauer believed that there was, beating at the heart of nature, a blind will.
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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2018, 01:34:36 pm »
Holden,
I don´t know. As I have nothing to say really, I would like to suggest you view Zdzislaw Beksinski´s art. He is a painter from Poland. He died in 2005. Maybe you might find his work very interesting. Let me share another poem:

Escape
by Lori

She looked down from the mountaintop
Wanting desperately to leap off..
Wanting to fly..
To spread her arms and just fall.

Not a care in the world.
Not a soul to care for..
No one to care for her..
No one left to understand her..
No one to listen to her pleas..

Pleas of sorrow, Pleas of pain..
Head hurting so bad..
Eyes swollen shut..
Not a tear left in her to shed.

Free....She will be free
Fly away little girl..

And be free.

Once again, take care.

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« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2018, 01:45:56 pm »

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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2019, 08:19:39 pm »
https://archive.org/details/MainlanderPhilosophyOfRedemption/

I've just come across this English translation, compiled from the works translated so far on the r/Mainlander sub-reddit. This is a welcome thing for those who may be interested in the forgotten philosopher.

"And the strict master Death bids them dance."