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Remembering Mainlander
« on: September 30, 2014, 11:32:58 am »
On the night on April 1, 1876, Mainländer hanged himself in his residence in Offenbach, using a pile of copies of The Philosophy of Redemption (which had arrived the previous day from his publisher) as a platform. He was thirty-four years old.
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 01:35:22 pm »
Wild.  Did he have a living mother?  I am just curious ... It is fascinating though, isn't it?



 :D

I wonder if it is time for us to start joking about suicide.  I mean, like "mast-rbation," polite society just totally loses its sense of humor when we start joking about the comical aspects of suicide. 

The worst and stupidest thing to tell someone with intense suicidal ideations is, "Cheer up."

It would be better for two or three like-minded potential suicides get together and study the topic.  Investigate ways other human beings have done this and under what circumstances.  Before they got very far into their "project" I am fairly certain they might be laughing their as-es off.  Paradox?

I think it is healthy for those who contemplate such acts to joke about it.  I certainly would never joke about such a thing after the fact.  It is very serious, indeed. 

And yet, there is the Mexican joke about 2 good friends sharing a strong bottle of booze ... and when one hermano complains of a splitting headache that has not let up for several days, his good friend blows his brains out, thereby curing his friend of the headache.   :-\ ??? :o ;D
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Re: Remembering Mainlander
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 12:07:30 am »
Yes, you are right.I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously? ;)
Here's a joke for you-

A man walks into a library( maybe the same library which is frequented by you)covered in bruises, cuts everywhere and strangle marks around his neck. He slams a book down on the counter and says,
"This is ****ing useless."

About Mainlander-

No,he did not have a living mother,on October 5, Mainländer’s 24th birthday, his mother died. Deeply affected by this experience of loss, Mainländer began an ongoing turn away from poetry and towards philosophy. During the following years, he studied Schopenhauer, Kant – "not poisoned through Fichte, Schelling and Hegel, but rather critically strengthened through Schopenhauer"

To English speakers, The Philosophy of Redemption stands as a sort of real-life eldritch Necronomicon, since it hasn’t been translated from German.Mainländer was influenced very strongly by Arthur Schopenhauer (like you & I)and his will-metaphysic and for someone who isn't familiar with Schopenhauer's work, Mainländers "sequel" might seem complete nonsense.

In all his work his death wish shines out of all of them here and there, however the creation of "the will to die" is of course the peak of this development. Mainländer joined the army several times, because he wanted to die at the battlefield on purpose to fulfil his death wish. Several attempts failed, before he got to write his 1,300 pages strong Philosophy of Redemption. He was 34 years old when he left the assembly line of death and entered the eternal kingdom of absolute nothingness.

Before he died, he suffered a mental collapse — which has been compared to the collapse Nietzsche would suffer years later. Eventually, descending into megalomania and believing himself to be a messiah of socialism.

So,maybe antinatalism & socialism are correlated.

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 11:54:35 am »
Thanks for that information.  Now I know why it has been impossible to get that text in English.  I found a fairly large German/English dictionary for free at the Church of Reason (library), so I may grab The Philosophy of Redemption and read it as an esoteric exercise. 

I really do appreciate this.  I hadn't heard of Mainlander until I read Ligotti's Conspiracy Against The Human Race

 I can also claim to have been blessed by the fact that I was"not poisoned through Fichte, Schelling and Hegel, but rather critically strengthened through Schopenhauer".   >:( ;D :'( ;)

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A man walks into a library( maybe the same library which is frequented by you)covered in bruises, cuts everywhere and strangle marks around his neck. He slams a book down on the counter and says,
"This is f-cking useless."

I see ...  :P

At least we have a sense of humor.

I keep having to turn down the volume in the library, and I have head-phones on.   :-\

I have always been rubbed the wrong way by authority figures, no matter how young or pretty they are.  Authority is such a turn off.   :)   :-*
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Re: Remembering Mainlander
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2014, 08:48:08 am »
Yes I hate all the authority figures too,no matter how pretty 8)
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2017, 11:39:02 am »
The immanent philosophy of Philipp Mainländer

I wish there were an English translation of Philosophie der Erlösung

From the above link:

Schopenhauer is not merely a figure in the history of philosophy: his philosophy has the potential to replace religion. Mainländer wants to be his “Paul” and saw it as his life-task to purify Schopenhauer's immortal thoughts.

I will try to use the above pdf and feed it into google.com/drive using these instructions.

The original pdf file is 67MB so even if this were to work, I would not be able to email it.

If it works, anyone would be able to try it.

I pessimistically suspect that this will not render version that is readable, but it's worth a shot.

I'll keep you posted.

UPDATE:  The pdf file uploads to Google Drive but the file is too large to open with Google Docs!   It is also too large for doc translator.

ebook embedded translator also has a 50MB file size limit.   :-[

Back to the drawing board.

What I might try is purchasing the Kindle version for six dollars, then convert it to PDF with Calibre.  That version should be less than 50MB and then I can use one of the methods listed above.

If it is small enough, I can email the converted pdf file ... maybe.

UPDATE: Purchased Philosophie der Erlösung Kindle version.

Uploaded to google.com/drive

Opened with Google Docs:  file size 3MB

Tools | Translate to English

Google Docs encountered an error.   :-[

Now I will try translating it with onlinedoctranslator ...

IT WORKED!!!!     :D

11.6MB

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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2017, 11:22:43 pm »
I am sorry to report that, while I was pleased to have the words translated from German to English, it will take some getting used to since the order of the words is out of sync.  I knew that it would be a rough translation since it is done by computer program.

I will try to absorb what I can, but I suggest just reading a very little at a time so that you don't drive your brain crazy.

 :-\
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2017, 12:59:50 am »
In the heart of things, the immanent Philosopher sees in the entire cosmos only the deepest longing for complete extinction; it is as if he heard clearly the call that pierces all the celestial spheres: Redemption! Redemption! Death to our Life! and the cheering reply: you all will find extinction and will be redeemed!
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2017, 02:12:43 am »
To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul,

The  final meaning of history  is the sand blown through the eye-holes of human skulls.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2017, 02:26:59 am »
Apparently happy middle class couples.They think they would conquer the world.Why do the "Love You s" mean?A darkroom wherein nothing could disturb you-not even a whisper.One could die for such a room.

They all hold hands.All of them a mirror image of one another.The same hunger  of the flesh.One sees a beautiful woman,one sees a ravenous crocodile.There is no difference.

One should not trust the eyes.Blessed are the blind-for they are not received by the mirage.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2017, 02:52:23 am »
The Old Testament was "go forth and multiply".The new covenant was all about fu-c-k this s-h-it, let's go. No wonder it appealed to  outsiders of all kinds at the time.

F-u-ck this s-h-i-t, let's go - the only real testament. Doomed to be ignored.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2017, 03:00:33 am »
What is it about heaven that people really want? Or any "bright future"?
Relief from pain. If they had the backbone to admit it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2017, 04:54:42 am »
Senor Raul,have to read Outer Dark by McCarty?


It draws from the long tradition of existentialist literature from Eccliesiastes to King Lear to The Stranger. It creates a world devoid of God, purpose, causality; a world where mankind appears only semi-literate and half-animal. McCarthy creates this bleak world by weaving the themes of darkness, blindness, namelessness, sickness, and violence throughout his narrative. For McCarthy, creating this dark mood—echoing hell, Hades, Eliot’s Wasteland—is the primary purpose of the novel, and is strengthened by many allusions to Greek and Christian mythology. Despite the vivid realism of the surface descriptions, McCarthy’s world belongs to the imagination.

Outer Dark begins with the incestuous union of Culla and Rinthy Holme (whose names are slow to be revealed). They live in an isolated cabin, somehow subsisting on cornmeal and other low-grade fare. Rinthy goes into labor. Culla, ashamed of their incest, refuses to fetch a midwife, and instead leaves Rinthy to give birth by herself. He cuts the umbilical chord, and, unbeknownst to his unconscious sister, carries the baby into the woods, and leaves it there to die. The baby, however, is discovered by a wandering tinker. Rinthy eventually regains her strength and wants to know what became of their child.

Most of Outer Dark concerns Rinthy’s journey to find the child and Culla’s quest to find Rinthy. Both meet an assortment of bizarre characters.  Culla he is often distrusted and bears the mark of Cain that he is a fugitive.
McCarthy’s dark tapestry is created from many interweaving themes including darkness and blindness, sickness, the futility of religion, and namelessness. These are illuminated by the wealth of biblical and classical allusion.

Darkness, with the related theme of blindness, is a recurring theme, from the “black sun” in Culla’s opening dream to the blind seer walking toward the garden of death on the last page. Culla’s dream  depicts a “delegation of human ruin who attended [the prophet] with blind eyes….The sun hung on the cusp of eclipse….[and soon] “begun to blacken.”  Many of the novel’s key scenes occur at night: the abandonment of the baby, the sinking of the ferry, Culla’s two scenes with the mysterious trio. The word “shadow” is used relentlessly. When the squire is interrogating Culla we are told: “Their shadows canted upon the whitewashed brick of the kitchen shed in a pantomime of static violence in which the squire reeled backward and he leaned upon him in headlong assault.”  McCarthy’s darkness often takes on a spectral hue.

The blindness motif reinforces the theme of darkness in McCarthy’s depiction of the human condition. Aside from the literal blindness of the wandering seer at the novel’s end, McCarthy describes many characters’ eyes as plastic and unseeing. Rinthy is “pale and disheveled and with such doll’s eyes of painted china.” The boy who wants to take her to a show is described as having “cadaverous eyes.” The murderous trio’s black-bearded leader’s eyes are “shadowed lunettes with nothing there at all.”  The parson who condemns Culla after the hog herd’s melee “wore a pair of octagonal glasses on the one pane of which the late sun shone while a watery eye peered from the naked wire aperture of the other.”Eventually the baby has one eye gouged out (“one eyeless and angry red socket like a stokehole to a brain in flames”) creating a memorable image of being thrown into the world half blind. Culla encounters a blind man at the end of the book, who, though offering direction to others, is himself close to walking into a fatal swamp. The novel’s final sentence tells us: “Someone should tell a blind man before setting him out that way” —setting him toward a “vulvate,” “garden of death,” “sucking” him in—probably symbolic of the this-worldly cycles of life and death.

In this bleak landscape, life forms often take on a sickly air. Culla’s opening dream—which introduces almost every theme discussed herein—depicts a “delegation of human ruin who attended him with blind eyes upturned and puckered stumps and leprous sores.”  “Can I be cured?” he asks. Although the prophet thinks so, Culla is instead singled out for persecution in his dream. He fares little better in life.

The baby is “a beetcolored creature that looked to him like a skinned squirrel” and had “an old man’s face” (. “It was naked and half coated with dust so that it seemed lightly furred.”

Rinthy is a sick creature, rarely eating, and healing slowly. An early description has her “subsiding back among the covers like a wounded bird.” Later on she “struggled toward him like a crippled marionette” and combs her “dead yellow hair.” In her travels through the desolate landscape she encounters a man whose “speckled hand had drawn up like two great dying spiders…”  Other characters are similarly malformed: “she could not have said to what sex belonged the stooped and hooded anthropoid that came muttering down the fence toward her.”

Culla manages to endure a gunshot wound and fall from a high bluff without serious harm, but he too is suspected of being sick. After merely spitting out some chewed corn a man worriedly asks: “Cholera? Cholera?”  The man had lost all five of his children to sickness. From Culla’s first dream of the sick multitudes, and his early lie to the tinker (who suspects the pox) that his sister is ill, an atmosphere of sickness pervades the world of Outer Dark.

McCarthy uses mythological language in creating this Wasteland. At times he consciously pays tribute to Faulkner’s Southern Gothicism, but he has fashioned a distinct style for himself. After Culla abandons the baby in the woods, the land itself seems conscious of the evil deed:

Night fell long and cool through the woods about him and a spectral quietude set in. As if something were about that crickets and nightbirds held in dread….trees beginning to close him in, malign and baleful shapes that reared like enormous androids provoked at the alien insubstantiality of this flesh colliding among them.”

The river is also described in hellish terms: “the swollen waters coming in a bloodcolored spume from about the wooden stanchions and fanning in the pool below with a constant and vicious hissing.” It is not surprising to find echoes of Greek literature. The incestuous child left in the woods reminds us of Oedipus, and all the Fate that character represents. The ferryman recalls Charon, who carried the dead across the River Styx into Hades. McCarthy describes this river has “hissing blackly past the landing…[and it] seemed endowed with heavy reptillian life.”

It is significant that the murderous trio—almost mythological themselves—are the first people Culla meets upon crossing that river. The blind man that Culla meets at the end, who offers prayers and help to whoever cross his path, reminds us of the blind prophet Tyresius, who foretold Oedipus’ unhappy fate.

Much of mythological feel comes from anthropomorphic descriptions. Nature itself is compared to man, and so we see words like “anthropoid,” “android,” “hominoid;” we are even told that (mythologically loaded) black mandrake will grow under the tinker’s hanging tree. Consider also the final passage:

Before him stretched a spectral waste out of which reared only the naked trees in attitudes of agony and dimly hominoid like figures in a landscape of the damned. A faintly smoking garden of the dead that tended away to the earth’s curve. He tried his foot in the mire before him and it rose in a vulvate welt claggy and sucking. He stepped back. A stale wind blew from this desolation and the marsh reeds and black ferns among which he clashed softly like things chained. He wondered why a road should come to such a place.

Putting the capstone on this unhappy world is its everpresent atmosphere of violence, personified by three mysterious men described in short, italicized interchapters, beginning on the first page. Their violence is brutal, unjust, unmotivated, and random. They contribute to the impression that things in this world are erratic and irrational. It is tempting to view the three men as a mythological force—something like the Furies—but for McCarthy it is even more frightening to show that beings capable of such ferocity and cruelty are all-too-human: they eat (albeit human flesh, it is implied), speak, and want to wear better boots.

Yet the murderous trio seem tacked on as afterthought, and they probably weaken the novel’s effect. Culla and Rinthy wandering through the bleak South experience enough existential darkness and grotesquerie for one novel. The three men seem to follow a few steps behind Culla, killing many of the people he encounters: the baby and the tinker (though not until the end), the squire with the boots, the old snake-hunter who gives Culla water, two millhands (though we don’t whether Culla did indeed go to the mill to look for work as he intended), Clark (the wealthy merchant) and “two others.” In addition, Culla speaks extensively with both the ferryman and the pig herder, and they soon die accidentally. This series of bloodshed is too extensive to be strictly coincidental, but what does it mean? That life is “nasty, brutish, and short.” That Culla represents some dark or fatal force? That the three men represent such a force?

More likely, McCarthy first conceived the incestuous child and the droll vignettes with the Southern grotesques, and feared that without more action he did not have material enough even for a short novel. But McCarthy himself is not clear on what the three men represent, even if they represent randomness. They are deliberately left mysterious (“What are you?” Culla asks their leader and is not answered) and are only sparsely described: black beard with black suit, a man named Harmon, and a “nameless” one.[2]

The fact that so many people Culla encounters are killed or die is a way of toying with the reader, and of manufacturing motiveless action while hinting at its significance. Culla himself is neither murderer nor mysterious force; he is a survivor; and, insofar as a novel like Outer Dark can have one, the novel’s hero. There are simply too many gratuitous deaths if their only purpose is to create an atmosphere of darkness and terror. Eventually the reader’s empathy is exhausted and additional deaths simply do not matter. The death of one fully developed character is always more powerful than an extensive body count.

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The use of darkness, blindness, sickness, mythological elements, and random violence all contribute to the novel’s effect— what I have termed “existentialist darkness.” These themes strongly suggest that McCarthy is writing more about the human condition than he is about one unhappy Southern family. Indeed, there is strong evidence that the baby’s experience in the novel is intended to parallel man’s experience in the world. This is best seen in the theme of namelessness.

The first mention of the baby is as the “nameless weight in her belly.” In trying to de-humanize the baby in order to rid himself of his guilt, Culla always refers to the baby as a nameless, genderless “it.”  Consider the scene in which Rinthy asks Culla to show him where he buried the baby.

Flowers, he said. It ain’t even got a name.…

We could give it one, she said.

It’s dead, he said. You don’t name things dead.

Toward the end, when the three men and one-eyed baby sit around the fire:

What’s his name? the man said.

I don’t know.

He ain’t got nary’n.

No. I don’t reckon. I don’t know.

They say people in hell ain’t got names. But they had to be called somethin to get sent there.

Didn’t they.

The tinker might have named him.

It wasn’t his to name. Besides names die with the namers. A dead man’s dog ain’t got a name. (236)

Namelessness extends to other characters, including the tinker, the squire, the ferryman. Even the three murderous men are associated with namelessness. Only Harmon is named.

Everyone don’t need a name, does it? the man said.

I don’t know. I don’t reckon.

I guess you’d like to know mine wouldn’t ye?

I don’t care, Holme said.

I said I guess you’d like to know mine would’t ye?

Yes, Holme said.

The man’s teeth appeared and went away again as if he had smiled. Yes, he said. I expect they’s lots would like to know that.

The experience of living namelessly dovetails into a wider commentary on the futility of religion to address this plight. The baby abandoned on a tree stump in the cold night, may for McCarthy, be an apt metaphor for the way man is thrown into the godless world, without direction:

It howled execration upon the dim camarine world of its nativity wail on wail while he lay there gibbering with palsied jawhasps, his hands putting back the night like some witless paraclete beleaguered with all limbo’s clamor.

“Paraclete” and “limbo” are deliberately chosen words, echoing the religious impulse to cry to heaven for a justice that will not come. In light of the child’s ultimate fate (being devoured by one of the three men), it is implied that the child’s cries go largely unanswered.

The episode of the insane herd of swine—a reference to the story in Matthew 8:28-32 where Jesus casts out demons who beg to inhabit the body of swine who then run “down a steep place into the sea”—is one of many Biblical allusions in the novel. This scene in particular bursts with Biblical language. Culla hears “a faint murmurous droning portending multitudes, locusts, the advent of primitive armies.” Ironically, the hogs are described as “mulefoots,” hogs that are ceremoniously clean because they do not have the split hoofs that make most pigs unclean according to Mosaic guidelines.The herds are running on a bluff above “the gray serpentine of the river below.” When the hogs panic and begin leaping off the cliff, the drovers assume “satanic looks…as if they were not true swineherds but disciples of darkness got among these charges to herd them to their doom.”Unlike Jesus casting out the demons into the hogs, in McCarthy’s scene, the hogs command the situation. One of the herders is described in a manner recalling a crucifixion: “One of the drovers passed curiously erect as though braced with a stick and rotating slowly with his arms outstretched in the manner of a dancing sleeper.”

Like other existentialist writers who utilize biblical allusions, McCarthy’s are meant to highlight God’s absence in the world. Prayers, such as those of the blind man unknowingly headed for the swamp, are in vain. When Rinthy discovers that Culla never buried the baby, he flees “bearing his clenched hands above him threatful, supplicant, to the mute and windy heavens.”  The word “christian” is left uncapitalized. Frequent examples show religion in the world of Outer Dark to be repressive at best. When Culla is wrongly accused of failing to prevent a wayward shepherd from falling off a cliff, the preacher, although nominally liberal and non-violent, approves of hanging him, mainly because of his unkempt appearance and foul mouth. Apparently is it religion that shames Culla into disposing of the newborn child, in order to hide his incest. Sabbath remembrance even keeps Culla from buying food at the general store when he and Rinthy are out of food. In general, religion’s role in this world is a pathetic attempt to keep despair at bay.

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McCarthy shows a mastery of style in Outer Dark. He writes memorable descriptions, and creates vivid scenes. For all its darkness Outer Dark is a very readable work. Yet one wonders what would be the result of McCarthy applying his talent to the creation of a beautiful work, rather than something merely dark and haunting. He need not compromise his dark vision—beautiful tragedies have been written—but Outer Dark is ruthlessly cynical. In it is nothing to inspire us; nothing to emulate; no fallen greatness. Nor do we learn what emotions and actions to avoid. We seem doomed from birth.

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Re: Remembering Mainlander
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2017, 04:55:26 am »
Holden,
Extinction leads to redemption. Long live Death! said one of Francisco Franco´s generals during the Spanish Civil War. He had one eye and one arm.

Extinction, for the Christians, will come. Will not Armageddon be a great party? The guests of honor, homo sapiens, are invited even those who are already in the cemetery. Jesus will come after the Final Solution known as the Apocalypse kills all the sinners, the unrepentant, those who stood in the way. A kind of cosmic cleansing. Later there will be a paradise, a kind of New Reich for the faithful. 

I found these words that say "All beings are destroyed when their time comes whether they are gods or mosquitoes."

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 05:21:28 am »
Holden,
Philip Mainlander committed suicide as I read. He was very young, thirty-five years old. He hanged himself.
This act reminded me of Ixtab, the Mayan goddess of the suicides. She was known as the hanging lady. Those who killed themselves, in the Mayan´s view, are blessed.

The powers in the shadow will always want new slaves. You need to fatten the farm in order to kill. One example of this is the Romanian communist dictator, Nicolae Ceaucescu who passed laws aimed at increasing the population. Birth control methods were forbidden, and childless women were forced to pay a celibacy tax. All the books on human reproduction and sexuality were considered state secrets and used only as medical textbooks. The Romanian guy said the fetus is the property of the entire society and anyone who avoids having children is a deserter who abandons the laws of national continuity. In other countries they do the same with different systems.

"What is it about heaven that people really want? Or any "bright future"?
Relief from pain"
You said it all,Holden. But did the angels not fight in heaven? Maybe I am wrong but did the Archangel Michael not fight the dragon in heaven? Heaven is not a safe place.

Stay safe.