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"It is all too obvious that life is pointless." Only a few can understand this. The others pretend that life is absolute joy and bliss. We believe we can escape from the Mother of Death or the Grim Reaper. Is this book possible to download for free? Be safe in New Jersey. Raúl

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"It is all too obvious that life is pointless." Only a few can understand this. The others pretend that life is absolute joy and bliss. We believe we can escape from the Mother of Death or the Grim Reaper. Is this book possible to download for free?

That is what is so refreshing about this book, the way the author presents the subject as pretty much self-evident.  Although he does concede that most are unwilling to really accept that life goes nowhere, he thinks that maybe, with the spread of ideas being accelerated by the Internet, more and more people might consider ending this absurd comedy once and for all by not reproducing.   There are problems though, such as growing old without children to look after you as you become more and more helpless, but - we could always jump from a cliff if it becomes too impossible.

The reason I refer to the Earth Mother as the Mother of Death is because, ironically, there is no death without birth.   The cause of death is birth.  Funny, no?

As for a free copy of the book, no.  I had been looking for a long time.  This is the first book I purchased when I got my hands on a used ereader.  After that, it was Hartmann's Philosophy of the Unconscious, which was more expensive (and I had to perform quite a bit of black magic to remove the DRM so I could convert from .epub to Kindle format).

It might be worth downloading the free Kindle app and then purchasing for $2.51 ... which requires a bank account, I know.   Such complications.
 

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Herr Hentrich,
Thank you for your words."The reason I refer to the Earth Mother as the Mother of Death is because, ironically, there is no death without birth.   The cause of death is birth.  Funny, no?"
Yes, Hentrich, painfully funny. Even if I became a believer in an abstray way, I would still regret the creation of this wretched world. It is probable that I would be, as it happened in Sodom and Gomorrah, turned into a pillar of salt for challenging god or the gods. I watched The Tribute to Tragedy by Gary Inmendham. Certainly this man is very acid in his words, but with much truth. I think this man must have a lot of very angry emails against him every day. But that´s the tragedy of going against the "sacred" values of society.

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That would be great!

Thanks for the heads up, Holden.  I am placing a tag here so I can search What Now? for Peter Wessel Zapffe and translation of On the Tragic.
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Herr Hentrich,
I am sure you could start writing a book called "Math for Jailbirds" and I think it will be a success. Be safe. Raúl

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That's an incredibly fun idea, Raul.  The thing is, it could not be delivered electronically, that's for sure.  Hard cover books are out, and most of those who would be stimulated by such a tome would lack the means (money) to acquire through the economic machinery.  I presume a great deal of the most harmless prisoners are in there due to having no money whatsoever combined with the usual emotional and psychological trauma of having been born.

Due to the incredible disparity between individuals, I would not be sure who my audience would be.   I could just make the volumes hand-written so that small segments could be scanned, printed in bulk, and then mailed in.  It wouldn't work.  I am in the habit of writing in cursive, and many people no longer read cursive.  I have been surprised by this.  Hell, several do not read at all.   Of course, the jailbirds would require lots of notebooks and very sharp pencils - not too long so that they don't stab one another in the neck or ear.   Pencils.  Big problem.  All these complications! 

It would have to be "Math for Numerate Jailbirds".  The central claim of the book would be that one can spend many years studying mathematics, even the same subjects again and again every ten years or so, and that this may prove to be one out of many supreme ways of doing time, whether or not one is incarcerated or just trapped in a bad job or a bad marriage or a bad life.

It would be best if there were a dedicated army of math zealots who sympathized with those whose lifestyles have led them to be encaged, math zealots willing to work for peanuts to bring the math lessons in to those eager to learn.  Eh, who am I kidding?

Sometimes I do think prisoners would be more appreciative of mathematics education than students.  Well, students have so many other things to distract themselves with.

That is a good idea Raul.  Math for Jailbirds.   Maybe I am working on the book without knowing it.  I wish there were a way to send myself a copy if I were a jailbird, but that would be impossible.

I better mail chunks of it to someone who cares so they could mail me in a few pages every other day.   Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who could handle that task.  I mailed a few people asking each to leave word here that I was incarcerated, asking them to post the address of the county jail so Holden and I might continue our dialogue.   Nobody could handle that, not even my sister.  So much for "Christian kindness".   I am not too impressed with those who claim to be religious.

Come to think of it, there's an annoying degree of religiosity inside the "prison system".   To blaspheme their gods or their God or their sense of "being the Living God", is to court death.

Maybe I would have to call it Math for Atheistic Jailbirds to weed out the closed minded who feel they all ready know everything they need to know "in their hearts" ...

Your idea introduces the complications of how to go about reaching the target audience, and how the target audience even chances to discover they might even be interested in studying math - or STARTING OVER even if they have already had their fill.

Rather than writing a book, a better idea would be to organize some kind of non-profit organization that could create (with scanners and printers) packets custom designed according to the level of interest of the targets.  This would require some philanthropists economic support.   Math Zealots would not have access to the government hand-outs afforded to religious enterprises.   We would not be spreading faith or hope, just axioms and theorems.   :P

I'll sleep on this.  Sounds like a pipe dream: a 1300 page heavy paperback tome in small print that condensed the Dolciani high school "college prep" series which could be sent into corrections institutions worldwide and shared as a holy grail among jailbirds who wish to make the most of their "time".  It could also be embraced by those who have become superflous in the redundant modern day workforce, those who find themselves living on welfare falling prey to the rampid epidemics of madness sold on the corners in bottles and little bags ...

Math for Jailbirds (and other folks with a lot of time on their hands)

Take care, Raul, mi compadre del mente
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Mikey wants to be a mathematician?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 12:16:35 pm »
Well, I slept on the idea, and I humbly submit, that, aside from piles of notes to myself, writing a book does not seem to be the focus of my mental life.  I have come to the consclusions that I may be one of the many victims of self-deception in the guise of higher education.  In other words, getting good grades in college-level "advanced mathematics" courses reinforced these delusions that I was becoming more mathematically mature, when, in reality, I was simply learning how to solve problems of a limited variety, and following a strict template for specific types of problems.

To keep this post short, I will just say that I am removing the "teacher's" hat and putting back on the "student's" hat.

Anyone who would advise that I take part in some online college courses or take a few classes at a community college might be incapable of grasping just what I am talking about.   It would just be more of the same.  I would jump through the necessary hoops, hand in the extra-credit assignments, and be rewarded for my efforts with a good "grade"

I have no concern for grades any longer.

As for the Math for Jailbirds project, that will have to be left for someone who has a more organized brain.  I confess that I only care about my own education at this point, which is why I am going to force myself to work through a very specific series of high school mathematics texts which were designed in the 1960's (and some from the 1980's) to prepare a student for "pure mathematics". [that is, of course, the infamous "(Mary) Dolciani series" plus the independent Wooton/Bechenbach project on Analytic Geometry].  May the holy ghost of Mary [Dolciani] be my guide, so that I might experience some crucial inner transformations in the way I think about mathematics as a whole.

I am not concerned that the material will prove to be too "easy".  Of course, the first set of exercises in most sections at whatever level will always just involve computations, and this does come rather natural to me, but I am certain that the more difficult problems dealing with proofs and actual thinking, at whatever supposed grade level, will prove challenging to me.  You see, my brain is somewhat lazy and does not like to think very hard.

I am going to see if I might remedy this.

So, until I relearn the fundamentals in a formal and rigorous manner, I do not consider myself qualified to guide others in their quest for mathematical maturity as I am not comfortable with my own level of maturity.

There you have it.  Herr Hentrich is returning to his high school books.  The mid-life crisis is official.  He's gone off the deep end.

The world can't handle the truth (about higher education reinforcing self-deception and delusions of grandeur), but I can handle the truth.  I am not at all satisfied with my level of mathematical maturity, so I want to go back and take those books very seriously.  With the hindsight I have now, I will be more likely to pay attention.  Calculus is no longer a mystery.  I want to be able to perceive the unity of mathematics.

Squeezing a book out of this experiment is unnecessary.  It does not need further validation than what is actually taking place.  An old Steppenwolf is "starting over" in an attempt to awaken the Beginner's Mind.  Fortunately I have no public image to protect, no social status to uphold.  I am free to be an honest man.

Of course, any great revelations can be scribbled into a Book of Wonder that might one day be condensed into the proposed "Math for Jailbirds" project.     :-\
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I may be wrong of course, it might just be a figment of my imagination &  you obviously would know better as to what is driving you full throttle towards maths,but I cannot help but surmise that perhaps there is Schopenhauer's shadow behind this somewhere.
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Herr Raskolnikov,
"Math for Jailbirds" is or was just a thought. Be safe. Raúl

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Thank god it is just a little daydream.  I am not a very ambitious person.

As I repeat again and again, I do not demand much from myself. 

Currently I am mostly focused on developing my own capacity for thinking, and it is quite beyond my powers to guide anyone else.

Developing an inner honesty within one's own mind can be devastating to the ego, but it is such a relief not to be deluded.  It's perfectly acceptable (to me) to just spend my life trying to understand a little more deeply and genuinely for my own personal satisfaction.

Sometimes I am only joking around when I write about these big projects.  One thing I am not joking about is my devotion to focusing on the fundamentals at the foundations.  I look around and see what this world would have me "training" in - creating apps for their god damned smart phones.

I will devote my life to studying purely useless mathematics.

And, in the spirit of Holden of India, I will add that I have no false delusions about ever becoming a professional mathematician.  Life itself has made me a humble man, and so my engagement with math is very personal.  I am disappointed.  Maybe I am even frustrated.   And I would never aspire to be an academic philosopher.  Too much obfuscation.  No, I'm just an angry and frustrated tinkerer who can only find peace when left alone in his own little world.  I never did play well with others.

If it were not for this message board, I would not even discuss my activities with anyone.

I suppose that if I were genuinely humble, I would have more patience and compassion for myself.  It's been a long strange trip for me, this life.   All I know is that when I am honest with myself about my lack of true understanding, it is then that I experience some peace, or, to use a more "religious" term, grace.

I just want to get down to seeking some clarification for my own satisfaction, and to Hell with society's metrics!  So much of society is a farce, anyway - a facade, full of shiit, phonies, posers, false consciousness, bad faith, inauthentic ...

Studying privately allows me to block out the political games of society and just isolate myself in my own little world where I can celebrate knowing a little more than I knew yesterday, even if the only thing that I learned is that I know even less than I thought I did.  Does this count as a gain in knowledge when it is simply the knowledge of yet another thing you don't understand as well as you thought you did?   I think it does.   

Perhaps I delight most in destroying the ego.

I want to become more intimate with the brain between my ears, behind my eyeballs.  When it doesn't really feel it is learning anything, I want to honor that vibration.  Raul, I may actually know more than the average gort, but because of the way my brain is wired, because of this intense demand for truthfulness and sincerity, I do sometimes put myself through a bit of hell.   In my own eyes, I am an idiot. 

It's a paradox and a contradiction ...

You say you have become a bitter man.  I, too, have a bitterness within me.   Yes, I resent those who are rewarded for their conformity and take this as a sign of their inherent superiority.   Yep, I have a great deal of bitterness within me that I don't even like to explore.   Does my brain sometimes rebel against all this math I'm feeding it?  I suppose it wishes it could be numbed with some booze or at least some herb.

It's quite possible that I have been having some difficulty concentrating because the brain itself might be trying to either sabotage what I am trying to do, or maybe it wants to kill me.  Who the fuuck knows, right?

Man, what part of the brain wants to be numb and what part of the brain wants to understand more mathematics?  And which part of the brain is causing all the fuss about wanting to discover just how little it actually understands?  It makes me go back into areas the ego thinks it has mastered so it can shove my nose in it, saying, "Stumped huh?  Not so easy, is it, Mr Genius?  I guess we're an idiot after all?   Maybe we would be better off stoned drunk or stone cold dead, eh?"

Which part of the brain wants to listen to Jimi Hendrix while another part wants Slayer?

Please excuse me, Raul, I am quietly going insane in a calm and harmless manner.

Whereas Hermann Hesse wrote Der Steppenwolf as autobiographical fiction about a man who struggled with a dual nature, part man and part wolf, we all must struggle with multiple disharmonious characteristics within our psyches.   For all we know, there may not even be a self.   So, when a part of the brain wants to devote its energy to study something like mathematics, there may be an uprising of demons from the underworld of the unconscious who will do all they can to disrupt these plans.

Believe me when I tell you this.  There are parts of my brain that are furious over what I spend on math books ... how drunk they could get instead!  They can't understand why I would collect such things, and they cry over how they would prefer a big bottle of hard liquor.   But the frontal lobes, the neocortex knows better.  It is aware of the potential for alcohol poisoning, aware of the likelihood of getting into some altercation leading to the body's arrest.  In the end, math books are my drug of choice until I once again have nowhere to store them.  Then, I think I might want to just call it quits.






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There is a 320 page pdf, Sofia Philosophical Review.  The section of interest is pages 19 to 44, "I Am Not Reading Philosophy: Beckett and Schopenhauer".

(Definitely not urgent ... I am just placing the link here for future researchers.)
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2017, 11:08:56 pm »
No,I do not feel like sowing wild oats. I look at a pretty lady -she maybe easy on the eyes.But that is mere representation. Once I look at her inner being-the blind,endless craving, I am repelled by her. Orgasm?Nothing more than a ruse of nature.A wolf in sheep's clothing. Forget about wooing a woman, I barely feel like talking to one. Not that I feel shy-no, I am rather confident about my philosophical underpinnings, it is just that I have nothing to say to them & I am afraid they have nothing to say which would interest me.

As for Schopenhauer, well,in the end ,he did do the right thing.I'd cut him a lot of slack,I mean, he was a well-to-do and a rather good looking young man. I am neither affluent, nor good looking. But that does not really mean much,I mean ,the point is that from the bottom of my heart, I am fed up with life and living and all the puny, little games it entails. I have noticed that women do not like me primarily because they can sense at some level that they cannot bully me around and that I am quite pensive most of the time-that they do not like one bit-what they are looking for is a ROM-COM,with me they get an Art House movie in which the protagonist starves himself to death in the end. Till sometimes back orgasm did memerise me-not any longer.And for that I have you to thank,even more than Schopenhauer.
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I almost wish I did not have the influence on you that you say I have, but, then again, I suppose that my total resignation must be quite apparent, and that I appear to be far more calm and "in touch with reality" ever since I just accepted that there is something about me that makes the idea of "romance" more than a mere comedy ...

Really, though, I do not feel proud of myself if this is the effect my writing has had on you.  It has never been my intention to intensify any hostilities you may feel toward womankind.

Even Schopenhauer, toward the end of his life, had said that he was quite fond of women, but that they were simply not interested in him.

I suspect he may have been being polite, and that maybe the kinds of things Schopenhauer was thinking about, spending his life thinking and writing about, have a tendency to weaken the power of the will to reproduce.  Since the women you may be attracted to represent this passageway to the renewal of biological life, and since orgasm is the most concrete expression of the Will to Life, maybe you have developed a deep seated mistrust of what you see to be nothing more than a ruse of Nature.

I try to be careful when discussing such things, as I would not want women to take it personal, this Total Rejectionism. 

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I have noticed that women do not like me primarily because they can sense at some level that they cannot bully me around and that I am quite pensive most of the time-that they do not like one bit-what they are looking for is a ROM-COM,with me they get an Art House movie in which the protagonist starves himself to death in the end.

For a long time I thought that way, myself.  I mean, when I saw how my cousins might be "hen-pecked" and dominated by their wives, I thought that maybe my lone-wolfishness has more to do with my mental independence being perceived by women as a "touch of arrogance". 

It is a good mental exercise for you to consider that maybe not being such a "good catch" is not such a bad thing.  Some arranged marriages seem to be not much more "romantic" than owners (that is, "parents") breeding their pedigree dogs.

I like what you wrote about taking heed of the screams coming from the well, and hoping that will be enough to keep you from falling in.

Most people seek existential security, not to mention financial security and even PSYCHOLOGICAL and PHYSICAL SECURITY.

Who knows why so many pair off.  It's "natural" I suppose.   And yet, even among certain orangutans who do reproduce, some of them remain solitary.

I see both my parents have been alone far longer than they were ever married.

So, even those who do not shun romance, but who have actually sought it out aggressively, may end up alone in the end.  It is good that you prefer to be solitary, for, as counter-intuitive as this may sound, it just may be what is most natural.   I mean that, if one is resigned to the fact that existence has been and continues to be some kind of bizarre nightmare and an accident, that birth is really a death sentence, then it is actually quite a natural reaction to avoid becoming emotionally attached to another creature who one's sexual union with could result in the birth of yet another victim of orgasm.

You know, Cioran had a long term lifelong companion.  It's not entriely unheard of for a woman to become attached to a man with a dark and deep mind. 

Just continue to be yourself and you are sure to not fall into any traps, and, should a woman one day lay claim to you, well, she will probably be glad that you repelled other women.

Then again, you may feel that in rejecting romance altogether you are defending a Fortress of Solitude.

I can't speak too objectively about it since, after all, I have been a lone man for a very long time.   I'm a stranger in a strange land in an alien heat.

Fortunately for me, this renewed interest in mathematics has really been fulfilling, far more fulfilling to me than chasing drunkeness or humiliating attempts to woo women who were not at all interested in me.   It is good to just be yourself and to refuse to allow relatives or acquaintances to shame you or bully you into living more according to the ways of the herd.

You seem to have a good grasp of the sad comedy most people are living, and I'm confident that nobody would get too far with you pushing social norms.

Still though, you never know what can happen.  There is always a chance you might be caught up in a spell, and for that, you ought not feel any shame either. 

All I know is that it feels good not to WANT.   

Want can be mistaken for need.

If you don't want what you haven't got, that seems to be a good thing, in deed.
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2017, 07:45:52 am »
They gave me a warning letter today.I might be fired quite soon.That is okay.I want to thank you again for helping me so much and showing me the true way.Should I disappear all of a sudden a couple of months from now please know that both of you would always have my undying gratitude.It is just that I am not suitable for a world like this one.You do not have to feel sorry for me as it is you have helped me a great deal.I have had a better life than millions and also I was lucky enough to read Herr Hentrich and Schopenhauer.My only wish is that I should get to die by way of starvation I ask for nothing more.

Senor Raul do take care of your eyes my Paraguayan friend.
Really I feel ready to embrace starvation.I do feel I am up to it.Well I will cross the bridge when Income to it.
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