If having one child is re/creation,having each additional child is likewise a re/creation and not something to be viewed as economically burdensome or unaffordable.
Who says it is also not to be viewed as how you put it? Economically burdensome and unaffordable. Can a thing not be a blessing as well as a curse? A weapon as well as a tool? Do not mistake my words as something that is only positive. Nature is as beautiful as it is deadly.
When a couple seeks to control family size via birth control they are thus "rejecting God's blessings" he might otherwise give and possibly breaking his commandment to "be fruitful and multiply".
Is that what you are implying?
Ah, I think I see where this is going. Holden, just to set the record as straight as I can with words, when I say that I believe in God, how do I best put this... I do not believe in the same god that you may think I believe in. My god does not see having a child as a blessing more so than he does, choosing not to have one, while f*cking someone's brains out. That is one of my vices and I do not apologize for it. And what's more, He/She/It does not give much of a sh*t if we reject anything that might be considered a blessing. So "be fruitful and multiply" is not a part of my spirituality, nor is any other commandment. My god has no commandments - only suggestions, and as I say, he does not care whether we do or do not follow them. So no, I am not implying what you said. Does this make sense in response to your question?
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Raskolnikov, it has been a long time since I have spoken with you. Good to "see" you again
Forthebirds,
I write the following with the utmost self-restraint as I have been irritable over the past several days and I do not want to misdirect my inner frustrations. I think your estimation of humanity's "power" may be naive and somewhat delusional.
Self-restraint? That does not seem like you. Well to respond to what you said, as someone with your view on humanity and life in general, I am not surprised that you think that. I am sure that in the past, I have mentioned before that I am no antinatalist. But still, I can relate to the reasons why you think what you do. The world is made of many views, and had any number of events happened differently, I could have certainly never ended up on this forum at all. But I can always respect that you are in disagreement with the world. I am too. And that is enough for me. As for my estimation of our power being naive and delusional... ~H~, remember this - we're all mad here. Every single person on this rock is probably at least a little bit insane. So to that, I will only say "fair enough" and leave it at that. If you want to call me or my ideas delusional, you'll get no argument from me about it. Just remember who it is that is typing those words. I respect your madness. Do you respect mine?
Man has a difficult time walking to the corner store for a six-pack of beer, and a great many crystal-meth snorting alpha-males bring children into the world then take morbid delight in having someone at their mercy, someone to torment.
Okay. But what is your point to that? Man also understands the chemistry of that crystal meth. Man is also Mozart and Einstein. Man is you, compiling xorg-x11. I don't even know what that is. And I do remember that robot. He was sad but cute. I am very much aware of how you feel, Raskolnikov. Though I have stated several times in posts throughout the years of my beliefs. Perhaps it was on one of the other sites and maybe you have forgotten or did not fully know? Don't you remember how positive that other man was.. I forget his name, but we three once shared some heated discussions back then, as he seemed to become frustrated with your disposition. I enjoyed his conversations and was disappointed to see him go. But still, I chose to follow your journey through this side of the net, because it is not as important to me, if you feel existance should be done with - I think what is more important to me are the reasons
why you think so. And I believe that somewhere in
that bleakness, is a key that unifies us in this struggle of life.
In a way, this is your home, Raskolnikov. You can talk about whatever you want, be it mathematics or code or your outlook on life. You can also insult me if you like, or try to
You can call me a fool, or even worse, a gort :gasp:, but you will not hurt my feelings. Though if you ever want me to stop, please say so. As much as I think you would never wish to silence anyone, I would never desire to taint anyone else's area of thought, especially not yours, as I know from experience how important those places can be. Either way, these are the kinds of subjects, where at least in my view, 2, or even 3 opposing sides can be right at the same time.
Peace, H. If you really are in a bitter mood, it is very understandable and very much in your right.