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Re: No Salvation
« on: April 03, 2019, 08:28:39 pm »
Is it possible that embracing the idea of NO SALVATION [slave nation?] might provide a loop-hole or sky-hook?

The experience of "living as being as CREATURE" is one of continual DISSATISFACTION, anxiety, distress, with brief intervals of reprieve and renewal.   As Holden has stated elsewhere, once we acknowledge the actual horror and terror of sentient being, of FEELING ORGANISMS which eat and defecate, not to mention starve, drown, burn, get eaten alive, die of dehydration or hypothermia, etc.

Even for present time humans dependent upon electricity, plumbing/sewage etc, not to mention fossil fuels and nuclear energy, who are quite often insulated from the nastiest elements of physical existence, boredom and the general pointlessness and redundancy of "remaining alive" [NOT DYING] will make dissatisfaction and discomfort the very ESSENCE and nature of these particles fancying themselves individual entities with personality traits formed by genetic material as well as lived experience.   It is all rather remarkable, in fact, even if it is horrific - and even if being alive means constant anxiety and certain stress, weariness, tiredness, overwhelmedness.

An idea Holden mentioned had to do with accepting certain "brute facts" about the nature of what we have been thrown into, and to live out the remainder of our days making observations [of our own observations], and somehow observing our own lived experience as complete and total dissatisfaction incarnate will merely confirm our hypothesis about the entire "creation" depending upon the continual dissatisfaction of the creatures.

Seeing our predicament as clearly as possible, we may find that ceasing to seek salvation from our state turns out to be a possible hack into liberation from all the distressful and often torturous feelings we experience as a consequence of our being living organisms who must eat to live, but know not why they live nor whence they came.  From time to time, segments of various populations of certain species lose the will to live altogether from distressful physical ailments, illness, stress, heartache, or just "philosophical angst, depression, disgust, or even panic-inducing horror.

When we give up hope of attaining Nirvana and face squarely the possibility that there is no way out of this nerve net of skin, excrement, bones and blood, then we might begin to analyze our own feelings and perceptions to try to understand what makes us tick, what CONTROLS-OUR-WILL.  Is it possible to "get a grip on this" ?

Maybe the idea of salvation is not something possible in a world such as the one we have evolved in, and that the only reason the idea of salvation exists in the first place is because of of the weariness of human populations everywhere in any time and place they have ever existed.   Well, maybe not in all cultures, but in many. 

So, I want to experiment a little with this idea of Holden's - to just try to experience our own lives as something to be observed, from an almost detached reference point.  That is, we might observe our own bodies as blobs of tubes, and also to wrap our "minds" around the processes which filter sensory perceptions into "the world we stand in, the world our heads are in" ... it might not be such a bad thing to begin to think against ourselves, that is, to question our very own perceptions ...

Suppose we just accept the dis-satisfactory nature of existence, that this is hard-wired into the processes that keep organisms preserving their lives (only to go extinct).  In other words, when we see discomfort and the absence of such (called pleasure) as QUALITIES of the mechanisms of "life," we begin to grasp the brute fact that long-lasting happiness or satisfaction is not actually possible, due to the nature of how these mechanisms operate.




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