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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2021, 01:04:40 pm »
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i gots to go  ;)

note: please excuse all the typos (following [follwing], dire [dired], board , liberated, etc ...)
I was typing fast and did not read before hitting send due to time constraints.   :-[

All is as well as can be expected, and there was no dramatic turn of events.  We [the toned down Ignatius/Agnes mother-son duo] are holding down the fort, and will be breaking bread to soak up stew juices this evening under the same roof.   The Mother's fears have subsided quite a bit, and we will just have to acclimate ourselves to coping with her growing neurological "challenges" ...

May Jupiter grant me patience and grace.   :-\
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Re: Madness Theory
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2021, 08:50:17 pm »
Why I consider Madness Theory to be a spiritual/intellectual descendant of The Inversion Principle:


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I may be taking extensive notes from this text as it is related to one of my favorite books of Critical Theory, Shoshana Felman's Writing & Madness, the book which inspired the poem/principle, Madness Theory, which most definitely resonates with The Inversion Principle which I had been exposed to in “The Real Man's Club” in the mid-1980's (age 17 or so).  Here I sit, thirty years later, a full-fledged Steppenwolf typing away in his domicile at 3AM in the morning.

See "Madness Theory" at https://xhentric.wordpress.com/incantations/madness-theory/

Much like my nephew in the gortbusting years and “Nat” in the whywork years, I have to credit “Holden” for personally motivating and inspiring me to continue to document my scholarly activities in such an anti-intellectual environment as we live in this twenty-first century Bizarroland culture called the Space Age or the Machine Age – mass industrial consumerist culture, which is a spiritually bankrupt perfumed corpse.  Now I will continue to develop Madness Theory, a spiritual/intellectual descendant of The Inversion Principle.  It is all interconnected.

I want to implement Madness Theory by commenting on the hypocrisy of the status quo, thereby challenging the social order.  This is my living protest and actual historical rebellion against oppressive social institutions (religion, government, big business, the military), i.e., what John Trudell refers to as “the corporate state” - the Predator-Enemy.  Know your enemy.

Early in the text (Insanity As Redemption) I come across a reference to R.D. Laing, and I am instantly validated as anti-Freudian.
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Insanity, Laing concluded, might very well be a state of health in a mad world.

Now, in 1984/1985 I was introduced to the idea that up is down and down is up (THE INVERSION PRINCIPLE from Myths, Dreams, and Cultures [an obscure Philosophy class for inspired high school seniors]).

The core truth of madness theory might be stated as follows:

 "Insanity may very well be a state of health in a mad world."
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Re: Madness Theory
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2021, 01:27:25 pm »
inspired high school seniors-Herr Hauser
Was it a class for gifted students?

I had to wait till I met you in 2014, for a  tête-à-tête with real philosophy. But I think it was worth the wait.
It shattered the game plan and the booby traps that the gorts had for me into a million little pieces.

The U.S. is said to be great in identifying real talent, but in you case, I can bet my bottom dollar, they have failed, and how!
Maybe its because what you possess, Mein Philosoph, goes far beyond mere talent.





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« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2021, 05:27:28 pm »
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inspired high school seniors - Herr Hauser

Was it a class for gifted students?

Not particularly gifted.  Well, just to get into the "academy" as it was called, one had to show some kind of promise.  By the time we made it to senior year, we had witnessed many either get the boot (for behavioral problems or poor performance) or quit the school (for lack of access to females).   

And no, the academy in question mostly prized its mathematics whizkid prodigy eggheads, someone like Ed Chu (a member of the "AP Calculus" class that had me depressed as fuck) who had great discipline and very strict parents.   My own parents were divorced the year before I entered the school, so by the time I was 17, I was engaging in some (alcoholic) drinking on weekends, pot smoking during the week, and was already starting to feel the advancing nervous tensions building up in me - the anxiety, the paranoia, the growing anti-authoritarianism.    I had begun slipping a little in mathematics, and I even got to the point where I refused to attend a BASIC Computer Programming class - the beginnings of some kind of nervous breakdown?  As a teenager, I was actually mostly repelled by the idea of digital electronic computers, although I had always enjoyed "computing" - as an organic computer made of meat.

The go-getter businessmen dads of other classmates had their offices in their houses with their giant computers and printers.   I did not come from such a household.   In fact, to this day, my father has no use for a computer.  I even tried to give him one back in 2008.   He didn't want one.

So, no and again no, as our Art would say.   The Philosophy course, Myths, Dreams, and Cultures was not at all reserved for the eggheads.   In fact, the instructor was the head of the English department, the man responsible for getting many of the great books on the summer reading requirements, such as Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenacne, Levin's This Perfect Day, Brunner's The Sheep Look Up, and even Kesey's One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

It was a great opportunity.  The course was focused on Joseph Campbel's Myths to Live By.  Unfortunately, Ed Chu did not show much interest in what "my Philosophy instructor" was offering.  What is a "real man" anyway?   Is a real man a man who philosophizes?

There was never any mention of Schopenhauer, but more about Wilderness Survival - the whole Tom Brown Jr. thing.

That was the momentum behind GORT BUSTERS:  It was the current generation of "The Real Man's Club" conversing on a message board like this one with old worn out Steppenwolves like myself from the old school RMC ---- I feel very fortunate to have been exposed to such a charismatic Teacher with a capital T.

My interests in mathematics and computing have returned again and again, but I am not sure how long such interest can be sustained.   I wish someone like me had left me some notes like the ones I am leaving.   Leaving notes to some youth in the future who will treasure my attempts to preserve something they might find extremely valuable (for their inner wealth).

I get bored with words.  I sometimes even get bored with music.
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Re: Madness Theory
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2021, 04:04:27 pm »
Yes,something similar happened to me around the same age.My parents fought a great deal and came close to getting a divorce but ultimately did not.
I imagine that Mr.Ed Chu,your classmate, is working with a Corporation now, probably making a great deal of money( do you happen to know what he is doing?).Sure,he might have done better than you at a particular point of time.i

But you see there are some initial successes which lead to the ultimate failure and some initial failures which lead to the ultimate success.

I am sure you know that India produces more engineers than any other country in the world and it is just a sheer anomaly that my father forced me into a program that I hated. I could have easily been sent to an engineering school and might have ended up as “one of the techies”. I might have gotten married.Sired a kid or two.

Instead I was thrown into a furnace of pain and anguish, I began to question everything, every single thing, no school of philosophy could have been better than that.To paraphrase Schopenhauer sometimes what it takes is  extreme suffering, to see the truth and no amount of knowledge could substitute it.

If one forced to run a long race, then is better, as Sea Biscuit, shows us,to pace one self and not to expend all the  energy at once in the first lap.

Also, what you have done is , you have broken the mold and as Thomas Kahn says, those who do that are in for a rough ride but eventually they emerge from the ashes, like Phoenix.

It has only been a couple of centuries that a mathematician or philosopher is supposed to be with an institution. We belong to the lineage of Diogenes, not Plato. That is our fate. Not everything is bad about such a fate. The freedom Diogenes possessed Plato never had.

We may not have the support of an Academy, but we do have freedom of thought, which matters a great deal more.
We might just have a dog and a broken bowl but we bow to no king, to no emperor.A few years back, there was a boss of mine, who wrote really cheap poetry and as he did not know how to even start the computer, so he asked me to set up a blog for him,which I did in my personal time.

I even did all the work to get his book published on Amazon( he back-stabbed me after all that,but that's another story). He ,one day said, that he was about to retire and hopes that his blogs gets really popular before that so that he could start minting money from it after retirement.

Quite innocently and without any malice I blurted out that,generally speaking, the work of any author gets recognised well after he is dead and buried, if then. The bastard went ballistic and I immediately back-tracked and said that it might happen within 10 years too.
Even that was not good enough for him, so I said ,some might make it in 2 or 3 years only.Then was he pacified.

What I am saying is ,we here , are not bothered about  making it. Ever.

Get well soon.
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Re: Madness Theory
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2021, 04:33:09 pm »
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We belong to the lineage of Diogenes, not Plato. That is our fate. Not everything is bad about such a fate. The freedom Diogenes possessed Plato never had.

Holden, some of your statements hit me like a magic incantation.   To understand our Fate might reduce much of our anxieties.  Thank you for your extreme thoughtfulness.   May the bastards in your own society never wear down your determination to be an honest man.

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... we here, are not bothered about  making it. Ever.

What could "making it" even mean in such societies as ours ?   
Our failures may have been our greatest merit.
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Psychiatric diagnosis has followed the same trajectory as alcoholism. Each diagnosis in turn has been constructed by somatic psychiatrists as a disease, in each case building a similar house of cards. It doesn’t seem to matter that the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry and its influence-peddling in academic psychiatry has been exposed as financially and scientifically corrupted and manipulated. The drug companies have engaged in study suppression, falsification, strategic marketing, and financial incentives.

Take, for example, the antidepressants: the chemical imbalance theory has been discredited, but this didn’t alter the fact that the theory is still believed. Never mind that antidepressants don’t actually do anything constructive, apart from the fact that people believe they do (which has also been proved). And in their wake a lot of harm has been done.

source  (Mad in America)
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Re: Madness Theory
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2021, 02:10:11 pm »
I am glad you liked it.Life is just very tiring.One thing after another.Makes no sense.
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« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2021, 02:15:58 pm »
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