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Re: Lovecraft..again
« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2019, 01:01:14 pm »
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Maybe Sanders will win and your social security benefits will get enhanced.I hope that happens and that you continue to have basic amenities of life. I almost wrote that I would pray to God for you but then,I cannot really,can I,being an atheist and all.

I understand the complications.  I find myself having to bend a great deal when expressing certain sentiments.   I had left my leather tobacco pouch on the ground while rolling a cigarette of inexpensive "GOOD STUFF" tobacco, while waiting for my mom to pick up her "medications" ---- by the time I realized it and had a chance to get back to the place where I left it, it was not on the ground.   I went into the pharmacy to see if anyone might have turned it in.   A smoker would see the shoelace string and cut piece of wire used to wrap around time-worn cheap leather.       Whoever found it must have known the pouch had psychological-value far more valuable to the owner than the stale dry contents.

When I realized someone had turned it in at the counter inside the pharmacy, I said, "Excuse me while I take a knee."

I authentically kneeled on one knee and did a quick "Thank you!"

I don't say any words before a special meal, but sometimes I do hold the plate up to the sky over my head if alone.  The Native, JR (Who Shot JR?) from Montana who I met in a Tent City in Seattle had taught me that way of prayer, and it works for me.   

If Old Man Sanders gets the Dem spot, I suppose I would break anarchistic tendencies and vote, but I sometimes even wish I were not so filled with anxiety at the thought of selling myself back into wage-slavery.   I remember going on one interview in Manhattan in 2002 after graduating Rutgers with the Computer Science degree:  wanna work for BLOOMBERG inc?

 It was such a nightmarish journey into the place that I felt I was in some kind of Alien Space Craft landed in New York while in the interview.   I froze up.  I wanted to get the hell out of there as fast as I could.   Upon my return to hometown Freehold in Dirty Jersey, dirty mostly 'cause of New York City, I suppose, I allowed myself to walk down the old railroad tracks and through the sticker bushes, out through the fileds and into to the woods --- to experience a nervous collapse, accepting that working outdoors with the Park Service was more suited for me, and that I may simply not possess the "nerves" required of the insensitive grinning robots fit for employment in Corporate Amerika ...

Well, Mr Bloomberg is running for president against everyone's favorite villian, but would rob the quite likeable Bernie of his seat just as surely as it was robbed by billionare Clinton's march to break glass ceilings.  I don't like to pay these races much mind.  I prefer to give whatever wits I can muster to mathematics or programming or just getting through my day/life.


Bottom line:  Let's hope I can just keep my head together, embrace these years I have been able to study, and work through the real anxiety we must endure in just being organisms-in-environments.  Each of us, no matter how secure under blankets or at the terminal of a computer "coding to learn" and "debugging to analyze", we can be thrown out there, and must "engage out there" often.   

At least with the problems you are interested in, we can take those with us in our heads, to reflect upon when stranded in one of the zones of the Hell on Earth, a litle pocket or nook where one might find a few of those Schopenhauerian moments.   He said that the prisoner is capable of reaching places of peace within the mind that princes would be reluctantly envious of, or something to that effect.  Sorry Holden, like Ibra of the distant regions, some days my mind is in a panic and just races.

Today, it took me some effort to focus just to slow down enough to figure out the solution.   It was almost as though it were an "intellectual exercise" which forced a spontaneous and short lived "phenomenological reduction," where I could block out media-narrative and even the narrative of my own "identity," and just patiently allow the algebra to unfold.

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Have tons of patience. I am working on quadratic equations at the moment.Kind of things like-what is the condition for one root of the quadratic equation to be twice the other. Things of that nature. Needless to say I go very slowly.I need at least a couple of years more before I can be somewhat proficient at these kind of thing.My coat of arms has got a tortoise for I move really slowly.
As regards Lovecraft, I think it would have been better for him had he never married,what her name, Sonia. Had he never visited New York at all.

Patience may directly reduce anxiety.  Good point.

"what is the condition for one root of the quadratic equation to be twice the other?"   - Yes, these kinds of problems get my interest as well.   I can become quite engrossed.   I actually "love" completing the square and performing algebraic manipulations.   

I also enjoy moving slowly, but sometimes, even when I am moving slowly to comprehend, often my mind is racing and spinning wheels.   

Lovecraft did see New York City, as have I.  I have not ever had any desire to live there, but I find such places frightening.   Nightmare World, as Robert M. Pirsig called it.     His 15 year old son was stabbed to death coming out of a "Karate lesson".   

Lastly,  thank you for the following.  Maybe I have been giving Dr Welsing's theories too much weight.   Poor Howard Phillip would be in the hot seat under her microscope, that's for sure.    His subjective horror and fantasies to exterminate would only prove to useful, not upsetting her theories in the least.    And yet!

Here's the thing:  Who is anyone to judge someone for being horrified by the realities of our human cities, no matter what the root of the terror is.   It's still terror in the presence of "what is."

I appreciate your input.

As for Lovecraft's decision to marry and try to find "gainful employment" in the city, would he have been better off struggling through his frustrations with mathematics while holding down a job as a clerk or something?   What a bizarre world!    Lovecraft had faith in 'civilization' , and that faith was shattered when he bore witness to the underbelly of this so-called civilization, which John Trudell declared to be not civilized at all.    It has been brutal.     

What is rather significant about Lovecraft is that he expresses the Will to Civilization rather innocently - if not innocently than naively, as though man might be able to exterminate and sterlize his way onto Heaven on Earth, a world where everyone was this freakish monster like _______ (fill in the blank) [ HINT: Oneself]

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Re: Lovecraft..again
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2019, 05:34:06 pm »
That was a fascinating problem, Holden.  You help keep me grounded.

I had to search the solution during a fit of some kind where I had to remove socks, open windows, turn on fans, lay down and breathe deep breaths.

Suddenly, I realized my computations had been idiotic.  I thought of what Ibra had said about some days not knowing if 2 + 3 = 5.  Brain very tensed up with anxiety about too many things to name.

I found some insight, but I wish to write up my own notes with the source listed as a guide.  My intellect has been a slave to a very strict yet haywire curriculum-of-a-madman, and I wish to think through this with a Beginner's Mind, if you don't Mind.   ;)




source of solution: Stephen Kazoullis [studied mathematics at the University of Queensland to third year level]

If one root of a*x^2 + b*x + c is twice the other, then how do you find the condition?

Thanks for the sanity check.

When you start with completing the square for the quadratic equation ax^2 + bx + c = 0, you end up with the quadratic formula x = (-b +/- sqrt(b^2 - 4ac))/2a

The +/- is the result of taking the square root of x, so the two solutions would be of the form alpha = (-b + sqrt(b^2 - 4ac))/2a and beta = (-b - sqrt(b^2 - 4ac))/2a

alpha + beta = (-2b)/(2a) = -b/a
alpha*beta = (b^2 - (b^2 - 4ac))/(4a^2) = (4ac)/(4a^2) = c/a

Since alpha is twice beta, alpha + beta = 3*beta = -b/a ===> beta = -b/(3a)
Then, using the second equation, alpha*beta = (2*beta)*(beta) = 2*beta^2 = c/a
===> [substituting beta = -b/(3a)] ===> 2*(-b/(3a))^2 = c/a ===> (2b^2)/(9a^2) = c/a
===> b^2 = (9a^2)*c/(2a) ===> b^2 = (9ac)/2 ===> b = +/- 3*sqrt(ac/2)

Does this make sense?  It looks better (and feels better writing) in pen.

In fact, I noticed something interesting when I looked over my "idiotic calculations."   

I had proceeded as follows, and I will show that the so-called idiotic notes I initially jotted down yield two solutions which meet the conditions.  The trick was to find the conditions explicitly, not just to give an example where the one root is twice the other.

my initial scribblings:

x^2 + x + constant == (2x)^2 + 2x + constant
===> x^2 + x == 4x^2 + 2x ===> -3x^2 = x ===> (-3x^2)/(-3x) == x/(-3x)
===> x = -1/3
2x = -2/3

This does not give the necessary conditions, but notice:

If these are roots of the quadratic, then (x + 1/3)*(x + 2/3) = 0
Expanding: x^2 + x/3 + 2x/3 + 2/9 = x^2 + x + 2/9 = 0

So, if f(x) = x^2 + x + 2/9: f(-1/3) = 1/9 - 1/3 + 2/9 = 3/9 - 3/9 = 0
and f(-2/3) = 4/9 -2/3 + 2/9 = 6/9 - 6/9 = 0

Also, for f(x) = x^2 + x + 2/9, a = 1, b = 1, and c = 2/9

The condition that b = 3*sqrt((ac/2)) = 3*sqrt((2/9)/2) = 3*sqrt(1/9) = 3*(1/3) = 1 is satisfied.

I considered my notes idiotic because I went straight for the actual roots rather than stating the conditions, which are found by using knowledge of the properties of The Sum and Product of the Roots.  Since the two roots of a quadratic are and ,   then if we add the two roots, we get: .

and if we multiply the two roots we get:

Note that if a = 1 then the sum of the roots is -b and the product is c.  This relates to factoring when we find two numbers that add to b and multiply to c.

-1/3 + (-2/3) = -1 = -b  and (-1/3)*(-2/3) = 2/9 = c.
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Re: Lovecraft..again
« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2019, 11:38:17 am »
Thanks for taking up the problem.This is how the book I am studying solves the problem.Its problem no.15.7:

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Hope you find it somewhat interesting.
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Re: Lovecraft..again
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2019, 12:03:25 pm »
Herr Hauser,

You are right, Robert M. Pirsig did lose is son when ,the son, was in his early twenties. I read that he found himself obsessed with the question as to where did his son ,all of a sudden, go.How come he was here one moment, with flight tickets for the next day, and plans and all and then he was no more.

He claims to have realized that his son was a pattern, and the body and physical manifestation of his son  was indeed a part of the pattern but that was not all there was to it. I think I might have undiagnosed Aspergers syndrome( Asperger was a German too) or profound social anxiety or something like that. I can easily relate to what you might have felt like in New York when you were waiting for that job interview.

Today I took the dressing off the wound which was caused on my side when they put in the catheter to suck out the pleural fluid from the lung.It pains a little and there are reddish  streaks around the wound,maybe dried up blood. I guess it is going to leave a permanent scar.

I remember reading that in New York, Lovecraft lost a lot of his personal effects due to theft.That must have been a nasty blow to so sensitive a soul.

Both my hand are still in pain due to the fact that they were stabbed with needles umpteen number of times to draw blood ,to pump in IV fluid.

A few days back I think , a model thew herself from a skyscraper and the next say,in the same locality, a doctor. I think these copy cat deaths don't just happen out of no where,the pain must have been there in the copycat for a very long time already.

 Take care,mein freund.
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Re: Lovecraft..again
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2019, 02:10:33 pm »
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Today I took the dressing off the wound which was caused on my side when they put in the catheter to suck out the pleural fluid from the lung.It pains a little and there are reddish  streaks around the wound,maybe dried up blood. I guess it is going to leave a permanent scar.

Back in 2003 when living in a welfare motel, after one of my bicycle rides from Farmingdale into Freehold, I had been "acting up" (tipsy and quite vocal) when a gang of police jumped me, hog tied me, and stomped on my back while on the ground face down.    The right lung collapsed.   They had me handcuffed to a cot in a corner of a room in a hospital, and I was trying not to cry because that made it more difficult to breathe.

I don't mean to imply anything as my skin is pink, the same color as the "white" officers who "disciplined" me; but it was a black-skinned nurse with some kind of accent who noticed me in the room in agony.   I thought the police were just leaving me there to die.    She must have notified someone since, before the sun rose in the morning, a calm, kind, and reserved black doctor came to my rescue.  He removed the liquid from the lung in a simlar manner as you describe.

He contacted me a week or so later to inquire how I was healing, and never mentioned any hospital bills or anything. 

Why would I think one type of people would like to hurt me while another type has mercy on me?    This world is really crazy, my friend.

Enough about me, though!   :)

I don't fault the police.    I was probably "resisting" and this is one of the main reasons I abstain from imbibing alcohol.    My interactions with the police go a bit more smoothly this way.   ;D

Take care Holden.   I hope you have enough time free of obligations to your employer to get the rest you need, not just for your body, but for the mind-body as a whole. 

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Thanks for taking up the problem.This is how the book I am studying solves the problem.Its problem no.15.7

I notice the solutions are the same; that is, your book says the condition is 2b^2 = 9ac, which is equivalent to b = +/- 3*sqrt((ac)/2)

I think you will find my explanation gives a bit more detail than your book, since they use the properties of the sum and product of the roots, but do not mention this.  Nor do they go into detail as to why alpha + 2*alpha = -(b/a).

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Hope you find it somewhat interesting.

What is interesting is how the condition can be written in any number of ways, and that your book also used an alternative method which was similar to my initial "scribblings" --- but I like how we can use the properties of the sum and product of the two roots to "extract" the conditions in terms of coefficients a, b, and c.

The problem would have been more clear if they had specified to write the condition in terms of coefficients a (coefficient of x^2) and b (coefficient of x) and constant c.

Have you been able to have any days to yourself when you are not being interrogated about when you will be returning to the office?    Please don't tell me they have you reporting to the office already.
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Re: Lovecraft..again
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2019, 07:26:04 pm »
I have yet another response to:

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Maybe Sanders will win and your social security benefits will get enhanced.

“Going on disability means, assuming you rely only on those disability payments, you will be poor for the rest of your life. That's the deal. And it's a deal 14 million Americans have signed up for”.    source [end of second paragraph, page 93 (102)]

When I saw my mom about to purchase a stained top at a "Good Will Thrift Store" for 4 dollars, I felt a pain in my heart, and in such moments I think that, were I a "better man," I would sell myself back into wage-slavery joining the ranks of the poor youth who push carts, stock shelves, and smoke "Class A" Amerikan cigarettes.    :-\

What a quandary!   When it comes to finding gainful employment, or even motivating myself to seek out any kind of HUMBLE EMPLOYMENT, sometimes I feel like a flower bracing itself for a hurricane.    In other words, "why bother?"

My childhood heroes, Jesus of Nazareth and John the Baptist, well, they were, for the most part "poor."   Another hero, Robin Hood ... didn't take his poverty sitting down and was aiming to rob from the rich to feed his band of thieves in Sherwood Forest.

The usual FEARS manufactured by those who try to manipulate the masses have to do with the "shame" and "lack of honor" and "humiliation" that goes hand and hand with dependency, whether on government, parents, or employer.    Holden, like you, I am most content when hiding, curled under an afghan ... and although I have slept in the woods and streets before, I jsut can't see myself maintaining my current level of "cognizance" and "coherence" were I to have to become that tough-spirited again.   

I guess it doesn't hurt to pray for strength, and if the strength is not forthcoming, then ___ ? ____ ... well ...

I remember you writing about how, on your way back from work, you would often become so tired you wished you could just lay down on the side of a road under a bush and die.   Isn't this something?    All human beings must experience such moments.

The things Nietzsche was going on and on about ... with the master and slave moralities ... he implied that "Christians" really love when one is humble and crying.  It makes them more "open" to the "blessings of the Lord Jesus Christ," as so many are so fond of calling this "idea."

You see, the Lord Jesus Christ is an idea or ideal, I suppose; whereas when I use the title, Jesus of Nazareth, I am refering to the poor devil who ruffled the feathers of the local rabbis and law enforcement officials.   

When I was a young man, I took an interest in how something like "the Third Reich" could happen; and, of all people, it was Freud, not Jung (Aryan Christ), who had the key insight:

Freud read Nietzsche carefully; like Nietzsche, he discerns Jew-hatred at the foundation of pagan disdain for Christianity. He wrote in Moses and Monotheism:

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We must not forget that all the peoples who now excel in the practice of antisemitism became Christians only in relatively recent times, sometimes forced to it by bloody compulsion. One might say they are all “badly christened”; under the thin veneer of Christianity they have remained what their ancestors were, barbarically polytheistic. They have not yet overcome their grudge against the new religion which was forced on them, and they have projected it on to the source from which Christianity came to them. The fact that the Gospels tell a story which is enacted among Jews, and in truth treats only of Jews, has facilitated such a projection. The hatred for Judaism is at bottom hatred for Christianity, and it is not surprising that in the German National Socialist revolution this close connection of the two monotheistic religions finds such clear expression in the hostile treatment of both.


footnote:  Also, see H-18_1989: The Teachings My Blood Whispers to Me  (page 28 of 35)
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2021, 04:02:12 am »
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Re: Lovecraft..again
« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2021, 10:36:04 pm »

I came across you and Lovecraft almost at the same time in 2014. Whatever the politically correct people might like to say about him, he is a hero of mine, because of his work and his life-style.
I think that what you and Schopenhauer write philosophically ,what he wrote by way of fiction.Houellebecq is an interesting character. While as a writer, I do not think, he comes close to matching the greatness of Lovecraft, I think he does have some interesting things to say. I read one of his books called Submission,which has been denounced by many.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/submission-michel-houellebecq/1121270551
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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2021, 10:13:27 pm »
I will read Submission on your suggestion.  Thank you, Brother Holden.
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