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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2016, 07:48:00 pm »
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I am going to read and reread what you wrote.

I have to confess.  Although I have thought about this for many years, you probably have as good a chance as I do trying to make heads or tails of it.

Sometimes I feel retarded, especially when attempting to draw vectors in 3D.   I actually struggle to draw in 3D on two dimensional paper.

I have to look at something like this or that before putting pencil to paper, and even then ... ugh ... I cut out a 30-60-90 triangle from cardboard to assist me.  It's rather pathetic.

I am looking into the isosketch from the United Kingdom.

 :-\

It's not like I'm a frustrated artist.  I'm not an artist at all.  I'm just plain old frustrated ... I'm much more at ease studying geometry by algebraic means.   But I am forcing myself to deal with my "retardedness" when it comes to actually sketching 3D surfaces, curves, and vectors on 2D paper.

I do use the computer to represent graphs, using Sage or gnuplot, but I also force myself to draw some rough sketches by hand.  This is when I really have to be patient with myself.

You see, with arithmetic and algebra and calculus and physics and programming, you can get by with tons of determination and effort, but, when it comes to "art" or "music", I think some people are talented while others are not.  I am not a talented musician.  I beat on the drums like a chimpanzee.    Nor can I sing very well (I only sing when I'm drunk or stuck in the county lock-up walking around in circles in the little yard when it is raining and all the basketball players are glued to the TV or playing cards, so I haven't belted one out in a long time).   As far as art goes, I draw some cartoons.  I can draw a circle ...   :P

You want to know what else I can't do?   I can't start a fire without a lighter like the natives could.

I would most likely starve without the grocery stores.

Enough self deprecating for now.   I acknowledge that I do have some intelligence, and even some algebraic skills ... I may even have some deep insights into the tragic and absurd nature of existence ... but I struggle to draw 3D vectors on 2D paper.   I'm not going to drown myself in the ocean over it.   I just have to try to learn some new tricks ... and I'm getting old ...



... oh, and I just may be crazy, but I aint going to Alcatraz!

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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2016, 08:33:15 am »
It was a stormy day. His mind drifted. As if by instinct, he crossed his legs in the yoga pose of meditation. And the natural world paid him homage. As the sun moved through the sky, the shadows shifted, but the shadow of the rose-apple tree where he sat remained still. He felt a sense of pure denial of the Will.
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2016, 10:17:22 am »
Herr Hentrich,
As usual, thank you for your reply. You write "you want to know what else I can't do?   I can't start a fire without a lighter like the natives could.

I would most likely starve without the grocery stores." I can´t start a fire without a lighter either. I have been told many times that instead of reading "diabollical" writers, I should do practical things. They said that in the supermarket you won´t get food with books or talking about life. Well, you may not go to Alcatraz or Saint Quentin, but have to say, you, me and others are on Planet Earth. A round penal establishment. Stay safe. Raúl   

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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2016, 11:27:45 am »
Greetings my fellow prisoners in the penal colony of existence, my fellow Eaters-of-Food.  May we one day lose our appetites and no longer need fire to heat food.

I have to make a slight correction:

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I cut out a 30-60-90 triangle from cardboard to assist me.  It's rather pathetic.

Actually, I traced two 30-60-90 triangles side by side, forming a 120-30-30 triangle ... I made it so it has a handle so my dumb hand doesn't get in the way while implementing the cardboard tool.

I guess I improved upon the trick Dale Hoffman suggests in Appendix: Sketching Planes and Conics in the XYZ Coordinate System.

I have to say, it actually works!  I mean, it remedied my frustrations.  I can calmly acknowledge that I am not comfortable sketching 3D space on a 2D plane.  This little device allows me to set up the "3D illusion" so that I can sketch something not is not too skewed.  This brings a certain degree of peace rather than becoming like a frustrated baboon on the verge of a tantrum.  I might even spontaneously slip into that state of mind encouraged by Schopenhauer, that state that Holden hints at ...

I calmly draw a vertical line, then, placing the vertex of the 120 (degrees ---> 2*pi/3 radians) angle on the vertical line, trace out what will be the x and y axes.  Then I just intuitively flip it so one side is along the x axis, and I trace out upward what is to be the z axis.

So, in two dimensions there are three 120 degree segments.  In 3D perspective, the x axis is perpendicular to the yz-plane, the y axis is perpendicular to the xz-plane, and z axis is perpendicular to the xy-plane ... using the imagination, of course ... make-believe.

This is the world as representation, right?

Speaking of penal colonies, I recall reading somewhere in Schopenhauer's meditations his theory that when someone spontaneously denies the Will becoming absorbed in contemplating the world as representation, that is, thinking, it would not matter if one were in a dungeon.  You might be more content than a prince in a castle who is driven crazy by his cravings, desires, and demands.

Wait a minute.  We can do a search of the full text of Herr Schopenhauer's opus!

Here is the very section I was recalling, noting that, yes, our world can be like an open-air prison, but let us continue to be scholarly prisoners who explore diabolical books until we are released!

Actually, when I read Schopenhauer for the very first time, it was from a huge hardcover text from the basement of the library (county headquarters), which happened to be the "World as Will and Idea" translation.  It was in 1990.  They had to retrieve the old thing from the basement just for yours truly.   Upon reading it, I requested my uncle, who worked in Manhattan at the time, track it down for me.  I can't describe the influence those books (volumes one and two of the Payne translation) had on me.   Volume II has a great index ... but, now we can just search the online editions to reference it.

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But when some external cause or inward disposition lifts us suddenly out of the endless stream of willing, delivers knowledge from the slavery of the will, the attention is no longer directed to the motives of willing, but comprehends things free from their relation to the will, and thus observes them without personal interest, without subjectivity, purely objectively, gives itself entirely up to them so far as they are ideas, but not in so far as they are motives.   Then all at once the peace which we were always seeking, but which always lied from us on the former path of the desires, comes to us of its own accord, and it is well with us. It is the painless state which Epicurus prized as the highest good and as the state of the gods; for we are for the moment set free from the miserable striving of the will; we keep the Sabbath of the penal servitude of willing ; the wheel of Ixion stands still.

But this is just the state which I described above as necessary for the knowledge of the Idea, as pure contemplation, as sinking oneself in perception, losing oneself in the object, forgetting all individuality, surrendering that kind of knowledge which follows the principle of sufficient reason, and comprehends only relational the state by means of which at once and inseparably the perceived particular thing is raised to the Idea of its whole species, and the knowing individual to the pure subject of willess knowledge, and as such they are both taken out of the stream of time and all other relations. It is then all one whether we see the sun set from the prison or from the palace.

Inward disposition, the predominance of knowing over willing, can produce this state under any circumstances.

May we continue to nurture and develop our inward disposition.
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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2016, 07:03:23 pm »
[/b]Also, if you get into writing some code in C/C++ and Python, these toys transform into mind tools.

Still, the core concepts are accessible without the computer, of course.[/b]

I have a MacBook Pro ,it is a few  years old I think,one of my relatives gave it to me about 2 years back.
And I know next to nothing about programming/writing codes,so for example when you write python my brain sees a snake before it sees a programming language:-).I most certainly would like to learn it in order to study math.
I can calmly acknowledge that I am not comfortable sketching 3D space on a 2D plane. 

Please tell me a few things:
1.When you are trying to draw 3D space on a 2D plane,the figure which you are trying to draw from a book I assume,do you keep it right next to you in order to refer to it time and again or not?
2.If you are not keeping the figure right next to you in order to refer to it time and again,do you have an EXACT mental picture of it in your mind because you have looked at that figure scores of times?
When I say EXACT I mean is it as clear in your mind as ,say,your name?

There is a certain reason I am asking you these questions,once you respond I would tell you what that is.It may help both of us to understand math better and in a far easier way.
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2016, 07:24:19 pm »
I have never messed with Macs, but I did use them at the State University in the lab, and they were running Unix ... Solaris, I think.


The first thing we would want to do is get a C++ compiler (GNU GCC) installed and Python environments.

Hmm, I saw this:  Installing GNU GCC on Mac.

Also How to install gcc compiler on Mac OS X.

I will do a little research.   We can take it slow.  I was not drawn to programming until I returned to school to study Calculus in 1994, that's like an entire decade after my nervous breakdown during my senior year in high school.   Anyway, in 1994, it was actually my calculus instructor, Jay Dashabundu, from India of all places, who encouraged me to study programming.  He is the one who opened my eyes abouthow  "procedures" (in code) are related to "functions" in mathematics ... with arguments, parameters, input, output ... There is so much mathematics in programming, especially if that is what you are drawn to.  He, himself had just begun studying programming himself, this is after he had already earned his degree in mathematics.   He was drawn to programming.

There are those who make a living creating games and applications who claim one does not need any math for programming.  If you want to be inspired, check out Alex Stepanov's From Mathematics To Programming ...

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Please tell me a few things:
1.When you are trying to draw 3D space on a 2D plane,the figure which you are trying to draw from a book I assume,do you keep it right next to you in order to refer to it time and again or not?
2.If you are not keeping the figure right next to you in order to refer to it time and again,do you have an EXACT mental picture of it in your mind because you have looked at that figure scores of times?
When I say EXACT I mean is it as clear in your mind as ,say,your name?

There is a certain reason I am asking you these questions,once you respond I would tell you what that is.It may help both of us to understand math better and in a far easier way.

When I draw the graph I am not looking at a book, but preparing to plot solutions or a geometric representation of vector space ... I have the image in my mind, yes, but, before I cam up with this strategy of tracing with a 120 degree angle to form the axes, the graph would be skewed.  I will think about your questions as I proceed.  My approach to mathematics is changing on different levels.

I don't know what the image looks like until I translate the algebra to geometry.

Sage and gnuplot are helpful in plotting parametric and 3D plots, but I still want to develop my ability to sketch at least vectors in 3D, by hand, that is.

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Something totally unrelated:  Do you think we are creeps for being so caught up in math and philosophy that we appear unnaturally detached from "historic" (violent) events reported through the media?  Should we be more upset?  How can I be so emotionally detached?

Also, is this related to Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble?
 
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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2016, 03:35:14 pm »
Mr.Gladiator,
Thank you for your comment. Let me quote, I am not sure if it´s correct., "Ave Cesar, morituri te salutant". (Hail Caesar, those who are about to die, salute you). My little addition would be Hail Caesar, those who are about to die/live salute you". My prisoner ID is five-seven-zero-one-six-five.Prison facility: Asuncion, Paraguay. Sentence: to die by anguish,boredom, flesh decay, sickness, and final extinction (food for worms). Stay safe. Raúl

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2016, 09:06:23 pm »
Think of this, too, Raul.  It's not just the social order that oppresses us.  There are no chains more oppressive than biological necessity.   

I can't help but reflect upon the nightmare that life becomes for one who loses control of their bowels.  Can you imagine.   We could fill many pages listing all the horrors creatures are subjected to without any oppressive government or corrupt social order to blame for their anguish.

Life itself imprisons us, no?

We are born, and this is where the trouble starts.  The origin of all our troubles is that we are living creatures.  We have been birthed, thrown into this.

I have decided to study math to distract myself from the really deep quandaries and riddles ... and to try not to think about the horror until I am in the grip of it, shiitting my pants, humiliated by being a living creature.
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2016, 09:58:26 pm »
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I have a MacBook Pro

You should be fine with that, Holden.  It has a Unix bash shell.  I would prefer using terminal (with command-line tools).  You could use xCode, which would be like using Visual Studio, I guess.  Like I said, I prefer the command line (terminal). 

We could start a separate thread when you are into it.  I was doing a little research, looking into setting up g++ GNU GCC compiler on your machine.

This is a pretty clear explanation:  Editing And Compiling In Apple Xcode

I don't want to distract you from your path, though.

It would just be a way to compile a few small programs.   No pressure! 

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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2016, 11:32:44 pm »
Could it be like this?The reason which gives a priori principles Kant calls “pure reason,” as distinguished from the “practical reason,” which is specially concerned with the performance of actions. What I am trying to focus on is the possibility of experience while studying math.The delineation of the limits of human cognition of math in accordance with the thesis that human thought requires some reference to experience in order to not lose itself in fantasies and as a consequence of this last point ,the demolition of what I call "dogmatic mathematics".

Say,I am trying to solve a problem,or draw a geometrical figure,something with which I am not very familiar ,I just know it a bit.
So,if I am not 100% certain of the concepts,I repeat 100%,I had better keep the solution right in front of my eyes in order to solve the problem,for I would be undertaking an operation that will be  synthetic and not an analytic operation.

If I do not have the solution right in front of me,and I am also not very clear about the concepts I am trying to apply,then my thought  in absence of reference to experience loses itself in fantasies-this results in my frustration of not getting the right answer,your skewed figures and also SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY.

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« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2016, 03:41:54 pm »
Señor Nada,
Yes, It is true. we are slave to our body needs, that is , to ****, to urinate, to ma sturbate, to have sex,and so on.We have been thrown into life without our consent and without our consent we will die. Really absurd. Take care of yourself. Raúl

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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2016, 11:26:10 pm »
As you know like Kafka I continue to work at the moment.Why do you think Kafka never left his job though its evident that he hated it a lot?
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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2016, 07:47:59 am »
I am no expert on Kafka, but I would say he worked all his life because he was afraid of his father's disapproval.   

Speaking of jobs and literature, do you think that part of the appeal of Toole's A Confederacy of Dunces is the shameless anti-job lifestyle of Ignatius Reilly?

His education made him comical as a "weenie vendor". 

Of course, Ignatius was fictional.  There was an absence of the father figure to threaten to punish him, just his mother asking if he might like to take a little rest at the psychiatric hospital. His reply was, “They would try to make me into a moron who liked television and new cars and frozen food. Psychiatry is worse than communism. I refuse to be brainwashed. I won’t be a robot!”

Once the pointlessness of everything becomes all too apparent, living up to parents' or grandparents' work ethics is no longer an issue.  They've got another thing coming ... or not coming.  However you want to look at it, I can appreciate the injunction to live in ambitionless peace.

Maybe all the math scribblings I am engaged in now are just the "copy books" of a modern day Ignatius Reilly, and that my entire life is just some kind of existential comedy.

How did Cioran manage to avoid jobs?   We know how Schopenhauer pulled it off.  Maybe Kafka was really trapped in the thick of it, which is what motivated him to write Metamorphosis, which is really an indictment against jobs and employers and the pressure to report to "the office".

He became a menacing creature which made him unfit for employment.

I suppose the trick is to be just menacing enough to disqualify oneself from servile subservience, but not so menacing as to require incarceration.

 ;)

It's a razor's edge.  To live outside the world of jobs can be hazardous to one's health depending on where one's cell happens to be.   If one inhabits certain environments where anxiety levels are intense, one could easily succumb to self-destructive behavior.  Hence, my current abstinence from alcohol and avoidance of pleasure-seeking adventures.  In a sense, I have become a model prisoner in the Open Air Prison so as to enjoy a few privileges, such as access to textbooks, computers, fine coffee, and tobacco - and to be available to assist my mother ... (that's another Confederacy of Dunces connection).

Preferring to study higher mathematics rather than reporting to a supervisor is condemned, so one has to become impervious to social condemnation. 

Maybe studying things like differential equations is how I justify such a lifestyle.  I am no genius.  These subjects are difficult and impractical.  Who is to say I would be better off with job security and keys to a Volkswagen?  Myself, I am no literary genius.  I don't have it in me to write novels.  I am no artist.  There was a time in my life when I tried to be an ideal employee.  I really did try.  Now I am resolved to just study math, even if I don't make too much progress.  I am satisfied when I gain understanding of the fundamentals, just familiarizing myself with the esoteric notation.

Why did Kafka submit?  Because he could.  I cannot submit.  I suppose my personality makes employment problematic.  I'm making the most of the situation, I think.  Did Kafka "choose" to submit?   Can we say that I actually choose not to submit?   Kafka himself admitted that he was amazed with how one little event could transform one's destiny.  A series of such events have made it so today I can study differential equations in peace, and remove the mystery once and for all.

HP Lovecraft would have gladly submitted, but nobody wanted to employ him.  I might be in a similar situation.  Nobody wanted to hire me, even after I acquired more education.  In fact, for someone like me, more education seems to make matters worse.  I mean, more education made me even less satisfied with jumping through hoops for supervisors and all that monkey business; although for some, their educations have the opposite effect, making them even more manipulable for want of prestige, clout, titles, authority, etc.  They come to worship authority.

The bottom line is that I have never equated more education with helping me back into a harness.  I wonder if I could ever be harnessed again.

It's not what we make of life, but what life makes of us.  We have to deal with our own particular situations.  Then again, Kafka died fairly young, didn't he?  Perhaps, if he had lived a little longer, his predicament would have forced him into unemployment.  He did not live long enough to become an extreme failure.  I have lived that long, and then some.

And yet my drift out of the workforce was never planned or contrived.  I was simply going from one day to the next, going on emergency assistance, and generally just giving up, going with the flow.  It has been a rocky road, and now my mental health seems to be hinged on being able to continue studying mathematics at my own pace without any kind of pressure to "put it to use".

I would work even less if I were already dead.

Does every difficult pursuit have to be motivated by a desire to reach some distant goal? 

I guess, if one wants to engage in useless activities like studying applied mathematics, that one better be independently wealthy or else risk being condemned as a drain on the war economy.

At least, in my defence, I can say I haven't replicated.   I don't want to be the president of Amerika.  Learning a little more "computational science" is about as far as my ambition goes.

And you know what?   I can see that even this little goal requires me to stay focused and determined, and not to feel pressure to work in haste or to sink in despair over the seeming impossibility of making any progress whatsoever. 

So, no, I suppose I am not a good role model for those aspiring to "do something with their lives".

Thankfully my agenda does not require anyone's approval ... as long as I am not "disturbing the peace" or behaving bizarrely in public.  And, in a way, by keeping my nose in books outside the workforce, at least I am not spreading subversive ideas among the troops.

By the way, Holden, I hope that you find a way to make the scholarly part of your life the primary part.  What I mean to say is, I hope that your employer does not drain all your energy, so that your nights alone in your room can be enjoyed rather than just re-energizing ...

Take care.

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« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2016, 11:29:51 pm »
Dear Mr H,you are the living proof of all that Schopenhauer said about university professors,for I have learnt more from you in two short years than from all my professors put together over far longer period.Thank you for your responses,they have literally saved my life.

Now,if one were to read Kant,would you say that the most important books written by Kant are The Critique of Pure Reason & the Prolegomena & that the second & the third critiques are  not so profound/true.

Furthermore, as Schopenhauer says that one should read works by Plato,which books by Plato would you recommend?
The reason why I write to you everyday with such tenacity is the same reason why a drowning man clutches the line thrown to him.

You are the most learned of all men alive today & the posterity shall certainly recognise that.

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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2016, 11:36:15 am »
I am happy to consider myself an amateur.

Thank you just the same for your encouraging words. 

I think it may be hyperbole, though.  Now this Titus Beu - he may be the most learned.  Holden, you have to realize I am simply a lifelong autodidactic student.  I have learned my lessons simply from living.  As far as technical knowledge goes, like I said before, I am simply an enthusiastic amateur.    :)

When I was trying to read everything Schopenhauer demanded, I did read The Critique of Pure Reason, the Prolegomena to any future metaphysics (which was nice and short!), Religion Within the Limits of Pure Reason Alone, A Critique of Judgement (too rigid - I didn't care for it), and Critique of Practical Reason, none of which left a lasting impression on me.   I can live without them.   

I knew this when I was gathering belongings into suitcases preparing to get on a train to travel across the continent to be homeless in Seattle.  Kant was not coming along!  Schopenhauer and Cioran were.   Even Knuth's Fundamental Algorithms:  The Art of Computer Programming, Volume 1 made it.   I still have the copies I lugged around, storing most in my nephew's little apartment ... until I found a place.

I would suggest skimming through some commentaries.   

Please do follow your own inclinations, for while I did follow Schopenhauer's instructions as far as reading Kant goes, the parts that struck me most in Kant were limited to those parts in Critique of Pure Reason that discussed the noumenon and phenomenon.  It was here that we easily recognize Schopenhauer's world as will and representation.

I once had a big fat green book with the collection of Plato's writings.  I merely nibbled at them.

I like to remember what David Abram points out in his writings about Plato and Socrates.   Socrates belongs to the oral, pre-written, pre-alphabetized tradition, and Plato is one of the first to put things in writing.  That is what makes Plato's work significant.

An excerpt from an excerpt: 

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The Hebrews were the first real caretakers of this great and difficult magic – alphabetic literacy.  The pain, the sadness of this exile, is precisely the trace of what has been lost – FORGOTTEN INTIMACY.

It seems as though the Greeks may have further objectified space and time into distinct dimensions. Time becomes inseparable from number and sequence. The thorough differentiation of “time” from “space” was impossible so long as large portions of the populace still experienced the surrounding terrain as animate and alive.

The burning of tens of thousands of women (most of them herbalists from peasant backgrounds) as “witches” during the 16th and 17th centuries may be understood as the nearly successful extermination of the last orally preserved traditions of Europe in order to clear the way for the dominion of alphabetic reason over a natural world increasingly construed as a passive and mechanical set of objects. (Abram 1996)

In 1781, Immanual Kant, in his Critique of Pure Reason, agreed with Newton that time and space were absolute, that they were independent of any objects. However, these distinct dimensions did not belong to the surrounding world as it exists in itself, but were necessary forms of human awareness, the two forms by which the human mind structures the things it perceives.

Keep in mind when reading these excerpts that I am well aware that Abram appears to not take into account Sanskrit and what is taking place in your part of the planet.  Please forgive the "Eurocentric" perspective.  At least Eurocentricism is something Schopenhauer can never be accused of!

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We do know that the Ancient Hebrews were among the first communities to make sustained use of phonetic writing – the first bearers of an alphabet.

Unlike other Semitic peoples, they did not restrict their use of the alphabet to economic and political record keeping, but used it to record ancestral stories, traditions, and laws.

They were perhaps the first nation to so thoroughly shift their sensory participation away from the forms of surrounding nature to a purely phonetic set of signs, and so to experience the profound epistemological independence from the natural environment that was made possible by this potent new technology. To actively participate with the visible forms of nature became idolatry by the ancient Hebrews; it was not the land but the written letters that now carried the ancestral wisdom. (Abram 1996)

Although the Hebrews renounced animism, they retained a participatory relationship with the wind and the breath – the relationship is inferred from the structure of the Hebrew writing system.

On the journey across the Mediteranean, on the journy to Greece, the letters of the aleph-beth left behind their ties to “the enveloping life-world.” The alpha-beth became a much more abstract set of symbols. The Greek scribes introduced vowels. The resulting alphabet was a different kind of tool from its earlier Semitic incarnation.

Text had lost its ambiguity and mystery, leaving less for creative imagination to interpret. There is one correct way to read it. Active interpretation is not invited. There is no longer any choice about which vowels to insert. By using visible characters to represent the sounded breath, the Greeks effectively DESACRALIZED the breath and the air. By giving form to the invisible, they nullified the mysteriousness of the enveloping atmosphere.

Not two centuries later, Plato and Socrates were able to co-opt the term psyche, which for Anaximenes was associated with the breath and the air. Plato used the term psyche to indicate something not just invisible but utterly intangible. The psyche was now a thoroughly abstract phenomenon enclosed within the physical body as in a prison. Plato’s transcendent realm of eternal “Ideas” was itself dependent upon the new affinity between the literate intellect and the visible letters (and words) of the alphabet. Plato’s realm of pure bodiless Ideas was incorporeal, connected to the rational psyche much as the earlier, breath-like psyche was joined to the atmosphere.

Unlike the Hebrew Bible, the Christian New Testament was originally written primarily in the Greek alphabet. And wherever the alphabet advanced, it proceeded by dispelling the air of ghosts and invisible influences – by stripping the air of its anima, its psychic depth.

In the oral, animistic world of pre-Christian and peasant Europe, all things – animals, forests, rivers, and caves – had the power of expressive speech, and the primary medium of this collective discourse was the air.

To sum all this up, while I will not discourage you from exploring translations of Kant's and Plato's writings to your heart's content, I will simply remind you to consider the moon glaring in the night sky and allow it to cast it's spells.   Continue to listen to the language of the wind, the thunder, and your own wordless nightmares.

You have all the necessary apparatus that Kant or Plato had access to.  It is one being that we all are, right?
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