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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2015, 12:42:05 pm »
Thank you so much-this is something which I have been looking for.I will check my mail.Buddhism today is usually seen as a kind of pragmatic therapy that cures or reduces suffering, but from approximately 1820 to 1890--Europe was haunted by the nightmare of an alternative religion that denied existence and recommended annihilation. It had less to do with the rudimentary state of Buddhist studies during that period than with Europe's fears about its own incipient nihilism, which would later ripen into the horrors of the twentieth century. Thinking they were talking about the Buddha, Westerners were talking about themselves.

At the end of the eighteenth century, new translations of Indian texts were exciting European intellectuals, giving rise to hopes for another Renaissance greater than the one that had resulted from the late-medieval rediscovery of Greek texts. But it never happened. About 1820, when scholarly research first clarified the distinction from Brahmanism, "Buddhism" became constructed as a religion that, amazingly, worshiped nothingness, and European commentators reacted in horror.

In their descriptions of nirvana, earlier scholars such as Francis Buchanan and Henry Thomas Colebrooke had been careful to deny that it was equivalent to annihilation. Their influence, however, was overwhelmed by the philosophical impact of Hegel and later the unsurpassed authority of Eugene Burnouf at the Collge de France. Hegel established the strong link with Nichts that would endure throughout most of the century. Instead of benefiting from the best scholarship then available, he relied on earlier sources such as de Guignes and the Abbots Banier and Grosier, evidently because their views of Buddhism fit better into his equation of pure Being with pure Nothingness. In Hegel's system this equation signified the advent of interiority, a "lack of determination" that was not really atheistic or nihilistic in the modern sense--more like the negative theology of Rhineland mystics such as Meister Eckhart. Later, Burnouf's Introduction a l'histoire du Buddhisme indien (1844) was immensely influential because it provided the first rigorous study of the Buddha's teachings, thus taking Buddhist studies to a new level of sophistication, but one which firmly established the nihilistic specter: despite making cautious qualifications due to the West's still-limited knowledge, Burnouf did not hesitate to identify nirvana with total annihilation.

Burnouf's scholarly objectivity was soon supplemented by apologetic and missionary ardor. Catholic preachers such as Ozanam declared that, behind his serene mask, the Buddha was Satan himself in a new incarnation. The Buddha's cult of nothingness aroused in Felix Neve's soul the need to liberate Buddhist peoples from their errors, weakness, and immobility. Victor Cousins, who played a major role in establishing philosophical education in mid-century France, and who proclaimed that Sanskrit texts were worthy of Western philosophical attention, nevertheless followed Burnouf in reacting against the Buddhist system: it was not only an anti-religion but a counterworld, a threat to order. His follower Barthelemy Saint-Hilaire took a further step and denied that such a "deplorable and absurd" faith could be philosophically relevant, even asking whether such a strange phenomenon meant that human nature in India "is still the same nature we feel within ourselves," since Buddhism's "gloomy meaning" led only to "moral suicide" . Ernest Renan called Buddha "the atheistic Christ of India" and attacked his revolting "Gospel of Nihilism" .

Schopenhauer discovered in Buddhism many of his favorite themes--renunciation, compassion, negation of the will to live--but relatively late, so, Buddhism had no significant influence on his system. However, his annexation of Buddhist principles brought the Buddhist challenge back to Europe, from missionary conversion to counteracting home-grown nihilism. Ever the philosopher, however, Schopenhauer was careful to say that nirvana could only be nothingness "for us," since the standpoint of our own existence does not allow us to say anything more about it. Would that other commentators had been so sensible.

The nihilistic understanding of Buddhism had a significant impact on Arthur de Gobineau's Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races , which would become enormously influential for the Nazis and other twentieth-century racists. For Gobineau, humanity was rushing to perdition and nothingness due to degeneration caused by intermingling of the races. He viewed Buddhism as the effort of an inferior people to overthrow the racially superior Aryan Brahmins. The failure of this attempt--the fact that Buddhism was largely eliminated from India--was somewhat inconsistent with his own historical pessimism, which accepted the inevitability of decline; but it may have encouraged the Nazis to attempt their own program of extermination for the sake of racial purity.

Nietzsche, too, accepted the view of Buddhism as aspiring to nothingness, although for him it was the similarity with Christianity, not the difference, that was the problem. In the end the choice is between Buddhism, Schopenhauer, weakness, and peaceful inactivity, or strength, conflict,pain, and tragedy. Buddhism's spread in Europe was unfortunate, Nietzsche believed, since "Nostalgia for nothingness is the negation of tragic wisdom, its opposite".



The issue at stake was always Europe's own identity. With "Buddhism" Europe constructed a mirror in which it dared not recognize itself. (Darwin, the death of God, and Europe's own hopes for/fears of a religion of Reason without transcendence.)

When the question of the Buddha's atheism arose, it was the atheism of the Europeans that was really in question. No one really believed, and almost no one ever said, that the beliefs of the Buddhists on the other side of the world were going to come and wreak havoc among the souls of the West. It was not a conversion, a corrosion, a 'contamination' of any kind that was threatening, coming from outside. It was in Europe itself that the enemy, and the danger, were to be found.

This was not only a threat to the foundations of one's personal belief-system, but a challenge that threatened to undermine social order. "The nothingness of order corresponded to the nothingness of being. Once again, this nothingness was not the equivalent of a pure and simple absence. It was supposed to undo and disorganize. It was dangerous because it shattered, it leveled, it instigated anarchy.

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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2015, 03:43:27 pm »
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Ernest Renan called Buddha "the atheistic Christ of India" and attacked his revolting "Gospel of Nihilism"

It's funny how detractors often complement the ones they attempt to insult.

These are honorable titles, I think:  the atheistic Christ of India ... the Gospel of Nihilism ...

Gabriel Harvey, a jealous hater of Christopher Marlowe, gave an unintentional tribute to the strength of Marlowe’s personality with the following (intended) indictment: “He that nor feared God, nor dread Devil, nor ought admired but his wondrous self.”

 ;D

While we can't ignore the history of those who "worshipped Nothingness" before us, it is quite possible one can approach this outside of a religious context, on a very personal level.

These days, and I guess I can only speak for myself, I don't even believe such a thing as the soul exists.  So many abstract concepts ... so many wrong assumptions passed down to us. 

I have to agree with Schopenhauer when he points out how much more psychologically sophisticated Buddhism appears in comparison to the Jewish religions (he includes Christianity and Islam). 

I have learned to just go along with ideas about "the soul" since people are evidently very attached to this concept.
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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2015, 09:15:04 am »
I started reading The Will in Nature last night.  I don't know why it took me so long to track this book down.  I really appreciate en.bookfi.org.

I remember trying to track down a copy of this book 20 years ago, and then I just gave up, I guess.

Schopenhauer really resented professional academic philosophers, going so far as saying that University philosophy (as a trade) is the enemy of true philosophers.  He was very aware of why he had been ignored for so long by his contemporaries.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2015, 05:28:41 pm »
The man who has not mastered the Kantian philosophy, whatever else he may have studied, is, so to speak, in a state of innocence; in other words, he has remained in the grasp of that natural and childlike realism in which we are all born, and which qualifies one for every possible thing except philosophy. Consequently, such a man is related to the other as a person under age is to an adult.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2015, 07:03:34 pm »
In a famous passage toward the end of the Critique of Practical Reason, Kant says that two things fill the mind with ever increasing wonder: the starry heavens above and the moral law within. Through Copernicus, Galileo, Newton and others, incredible progress had been made about understanding the "starry heavens above." But skeptical philosophers like David Hume maintained that the scientific success could not be extended to other areas such as theology or morality.

Hume said that what we see in the natural world might have all kinds of causes. Inferring a Creator, let alone a particular kind of Creator, goes beyond the evidence. In fact, the very concept of causality is merely a habit of the mind that we form by constantly seeing two things happening together. If we did not repeatedly observe that a billiard ball moved when hit by another billiard ball, we would not bring the two events in relation to each other. And we certainly would not be able to infer from the movement of the one ball that another ball had struck it, unless we have constantly observed the two together.

Likewise, we cannot infer anything about supposed metaphysical causes by looking at the physical world, because causal relations only form in our minds through repeated experience. But no one in his right mind claims, for instance, that he constantly observes God creating the world. God as a cause is inferred from the effect, but that is precisely what, according to Hume, we cannot do.

These and other thoughts by Hume awoke Kant, as he himself said, out of his "dogmatic slumber." Essentially, Hume raised in him the following questions:

Given what Hume said about causality, how can I affirm the validity of Newton’s physics, which is built on the concept of causality? What makes it possible for natural science and mathematics to give us apparently reliable knowledge of the world?
Why is it so difficult to make similar progress in metaphysical questions about God, the soul, free will, and morality? Is knowledge about these things possible at all? And if so, in what way and to what degree? Clearly, Reason itself compels us to ask these questions, but then Reason seems to be unable to answer them. Why is that?
In Kant’s long and laborious answer, laid out in his Critique of Pure Reason, he essentially harmonizes Hume with Newton. Science and mathematics are so successful, he says, because they only describe reality as it appears to us, not as it is in itself. Science only studies the world that we can touch, feel, see, hear, and smell—the experiences of our senses. Even with the aid of technology such as a telescope or, nowadays, a particle accelerator, we take in all scientific data through our senses. But the way that we experience our senses—the way our mind puts together what we touch, feel, see, hear, and smell—depends on certain forms in which our mind is structured. We cannot help thinking in terms of space and time, cause and effect, quantity and quality, modality and relation. These ways of thinking are what Kant calls a priori, that is, they come before experience. In fact, all coherent experience is dependent on them.

The problem of dogmatic metaphysics is that it pretends we can free ourselves from these necessary preconditions of our experience and get direct, unfiltered knowledge of ultimate reality. Not so, says Kant. Even space and time are not a reality that we perceive without a human filter. On the contrary, it is impossible for us to think of anything without picturing it in time and space. Space and time are, so to speak, mental cookie cutters. They are forms of the human mind that the dough of our experience has to conform to in order to experience anything at all. In Kant’s terminology, they are "forms of intuition" or "forms of sensibility."

Does that mean, then, that space and time are completely subjective and do not exist at all except in our minds? Do we live in some kind of illusory world, like in the Matrix? No, that would be to misunderstand Kant. Space and time are real for Kant. Objects do not merely seem to exist in time and space; they are in time and space. But since space and time are necessary concepts for any experience whatsoever, the concepts only apply to things as they appear to us. In what way and to what degree space and time apply to reality apart from our experience of reality, is unknowable to us. All we can say is they are necessary concepts for experiencing reality. Therefore, while all objects of our experience are in time, not all of reality must necessarily be in time as we understand it. While all objects of our experiences are in space, not all of reality must necessarily be in space as we understand it. On an ultimate level, reality might be quite different from the space-time framework from which we cannot free ourselves.

That is why, Kant thinks, mathematics and geometry have truths that can be definitely proven. They are about the necessary forms of all our experience, which is why they are internally coherent. Geometry takes place in space, and mathematics is done in time. Thus, they must conform to our a priori intuitions of space and time.

This makes arithmetic and geometry "synthetic a priori truths." "Synthetic" means that they are truths not merely about the meaning of words, which would be "analytic" truths, but about the real world. At the same time, however, these truths are a priori in that they are not based on our experience of the real world.

Kant’s conception of time and space as they relate to arithmetic and geometry is a good example of why he called his philosophy a new "Copernican Revolution." Just like Copernicus had reverted our understanding of the universe by proposing that it is us who move, even though it looks as if the sun moved, so Kant tried to show that it is really the structure of our minds that "moves" in a certain way and lets reality appear to us according to these "movements." Empiricists such as John Locke had thought that objective reality impressed itself on the blank slate of our minds. Kant proposed that it was the other way round: Our minds impressed themselves on objective reality. All our experiences of the outer world must necessarily conform to the a priori forms of our intuition and fundamental categories of our understanding. If Locke and Hume had been right, all our ideas about the world would arise as a result of our experience. They would come "after" experience, a posteriori. In contrast, Kant thought that a priori knowledge—knowledge prior to experience—was possible, namely the knowledge of the categories of our understanding to which our experiences conform.

Kant divided these categories as follows:

Quantity: unity, plurality, and totality.
Quality: reality, negation, and limitation.
Modality: possibility, existence, and necessity.
Relation: inherence, causality, community, and correlation.
While there was nothing particularly new about this list as such, as Aristotle and the Scholastics had already made similar categorizations, the revolutionary move on Kant’s part was to say that they are a priori: that they precede experience and are necessary conditions for it. In the longest and probably most difficult part of the Critique of Pure Reason, called the "Transcendental Deduction of the Categories," Kant tries to prove that these categories are in fact a priori.

Having, in Kant’s mind, provided this proof, he is now ready to answer his initial questions more explicitly. (1) What makes it possible for natural science and mathematics to give us apparently reliable knowledge of the world? (2) And why is it so difficult to make similar progress in metaphysical questions about God, the soul, free will, and morality? The answer is that science, arithmetic, and geometry stay within the framework of what is possible for us to experience—a framework that is set by the forms of intuition and the categories of the understanding. This is why science is so effective, but it also means that science is limited. It shows us only the “phenomenal” world, not the “noumenal” world. That is, it only shows as the world as it appears to us, not as it is in itself. The world as it is in itself is the realm of metaphysics, and this is why we cannot give scientific answers to metaphysical questions.

The last third of the Critique of Pure Reason attempts to show, as Robert Kane has put it, “how we get into trouble when we try to press the human mind beyond possible experience into the realms of metaphysics.” Take the existence of God, for instance. Trying to prove his existence has failed, Kant says, because such proofs take the categories of the understanding that only apply to the physical world of appearances and impose them on matters that exceed the bounds of our possible experience. We cannot infer what caused the universe to come into existence based on our way of thinking, because our way of thinking is only fitted for inferences about the physical world of appearances.

Or take the soul. We cannot, Kant stresses, know the soul as such, only the self as it appears to us—our “phenomenal” self, not our “noumenal” self. We do not and cannot know what the soul is in itself, apart from the way our sense of self appears to us. Neither can we say anything of scientific certainty about the mortality or immortality of the soul. We may have faith and hope in eternal life based on what Kant calls “practical” Reason, but not scientific certainty.

Nor can we scientifically resolve the conflict between determinism and free will. Science is based on the view that everything works by determined laws, but our understanding of morality is based on the view that we have free will. Without the concept of free will, none of our moral practices would make any sense: no commands or punishments, no blame or excuses, no forgiveness or justice. But how can we reconcile the determined world of science with the free world of morality? Science itself cannot resolve this contradiction, says Kant. It cannot be resolved by “theoretical” Reason, only by “practical” Reason.

And it is this practical Reason that Kant tackles in his second Critique.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2015, 08:11:19 am »
When water that is shut up finds an outlet of which it eagerly avails itself, rushing vehemently in that direction, it certainly does not recognise that outlet any more than the acid perceives the alkali approaching it which will induce it to abandon its combination with a metal, or than the strip of paper perceives the amber which attracts it after being rubbed; yet we cannot help admitting that what brings about such sudden changes in all these bodies, bears a certain resemblance to that which takes place within us, when an unexpected motive presents itself. In former times I have availed myself of such considerations as these in order to point out the will in all things; I now employ them to indicate the sphere to which knowledge presents itself as belonging, when considered, not as is usual from the inside, but realistically, from a standpoint outside itself, as if it were something foreign: that is, when we gain the objective point of view for it, which is so extremely important in order to complete the subjective one.  We find that knowledge then presents itself as the mediator of motives, i.e. of the action of causality upon beings endowed with intellect in other words, as that which receives the changes from outside upon which those in the inside must follow, as that which acts as mediator between both. Now upon this narrow line hovers the world as
representation that is to say, the whole corporeal world, stretched out in Space and Time, which as such can never exist anywhere but in the brain any more than dreams, which, as long as they last, exist in the same way. What the intellect does for animals and for man, as the mediator of motives, susceptibility for stimuli does for plants, and susceptibility for every sort of cause for in organic bodies: and strictly speaking, all this differs merely in degree. For, exclusively as a consequence of this susceptibility to outward impressions having enhanced itself in animals proportionately to their requirements till it has reached the point where a nervous system and a brain become necessary, does consciousness arise as a function of that brain, and in it the objective world, whose forms (Time, Space, Causality) are the way in which that function is performed. Therefore we find the intellect originally laid out entirely with a view to subjectivity, destined merely to serve the purposes of the will, consequently as something quite secondary and subordinate; nay, in a sense, as something which appears only per accidens; as a condition of the action of mere motives, instead of stimuli, which has become necessary in the higher degree of animal existence. The image of the world in Space and Time, which thus arises, is only the map  on which the motives present themselves as ends. It also conditions the spatial and causal connection in which the objects perceived stand to one another; nevertheless it is only the mediating link between the motive and the act of volition. Now, to take such an image as this of the world, arising in this manner, accidentally, in the intellect, i.e. in the cerebral function of animal beings, through the means to their ends being represented and the path of these ephemera on their planet being thus illumined to take this image, we say, this mere cerebral phenomenon, for the true, ultimate essence of things (thing–in–itself),
to take the concatenation of its parts for the absolute order of the Universe (relations between things–in–themselves), and to assume all this to exist even independently of the brain, would indeed be a leap! Here in fact, an assumption such as this must appear to us as the height of rashness and presumption; yet it is the foundation upon which all the systems of pre-Kantian dogmatism have been built up; for it is tacitly pre-supposed in all their Ontology, Cosmology and Theology, as well as in the aeternae veritates [eternal truths] to which they appeal. But that leap had always been made tacitly and unconsciously, and it is precisely Kant's immortal achievement, to have brought it to our consciousness.

By our present realistic way of considering the matter therefore, we unexpectedly gain the objective stand-point for Kant's great discoveries; and, by the road of empirico-physiological contemplation, we arrive at the point whence his transcendental-critical view starts. For Kant's view takes the subjective for its standpoint and considers consciousness as given. But from consciousness itself and its law and order, given a priori, that view arrives at the conclusion, that all which appears in that consciousness can be nothing more than mere phenomenon. From our realistic, exterior standpoint, on the contrary, which assumes the objective creatures that exist in Nature to be absolutely given, we see what the intellect is, as to its aim and origin, and to which class of phenomena it belongs, and we recognise (so far a priori) that it must be limited to mere phenomena.
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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2015, 10:30:45 am »
I intend to set up a thousand year Reich-Hitler.
Hitler's Olympic Village of 1936 - the so-called 'Nazi Games' intended to showcase German supremacy against the rest of the world.
Behind closed doors of that facility can be seen the rotting remains of the '1000 year Reich' which vanished in flames after just 12.

Mortification of the flesh:
All those men and women … who in their body serve the world through the desires of the flesh, the concerns of the world and the cares of this life: They are held captive by the devil, whose children they are, and whose works they do.

I know now why the USSR fell.

There was, and still is, a belief in India among many of her ascetics that purification and final deliverance can be achieved by rigorous self-mortification, and the ascetic Gotama decided to test the truth of it. And so there at Uruvelâ he began a determined struggle to subdue his body in the hope that his mind, set free from the shackles of the body, might be able to soar to the heights of liberation. Most zealous was he in these practices. He lived on leaves and roots, on a steadily reduced pittance of food; he wore rags from dust heaps; he slept among corpses or on beds of thorns. The utter paucity of nourishment left him a physical wreck. Says the Master: "Rigorous have I been in my ascetic discipline. Rigorous have I been beyond all others. Like wasted, withered reeds became all my limbs...." In such words as these, in later years, having attained to full enlightenment, did the Buddha give his disciples an awe-inspiring description of his early penances.

There is a certain joy in destroying one's body-the objectification of will.
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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2016, 06:20:14 am »
recall Holden's original post: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble

Hysteria in Dallas, Texas

... um ... Can we borrow you're opera glass, Herr S?

S: "But Nobody is waiting for the delivery of a solution manual for a physics textbook, and a special book from India called Vectors and 3D Geometry.  He found a copy for twenty dollars."

The people aren't trying to understand physics, Herr S.  They love God and Guns.

H: "I'm terrified of the cities.  The city is a death sentence."

Lovecraft:  "I have to concur with Nobody as far as the cities go ..."

H: "Can't I just be neutral, like Sweden?"

"I’m certain there is a lesson here,somewhere." - HT aka Holden of India

Suddenly I am aware of how emotionally detached I've become, lost in my own little world, I suppose.

Is there something wrong with me?   Why do I feel so detached?  Have I become emotionally detached?  I just want to lay on the floor on my stomach solving problems ... meanwhile the world is on fire.  That is the plain existential truth of the matter.  I want to live in La-La Land with vectors and matrices, equations, right triangles, unit circles ... solutions, no solutions, infinite solutions ... What can one do about anything?
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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2016, 05:22:20 pm »
Señor Hentrich,
I read this wonderful part. Really good. I read John Gray´s Straw Dogs where he mentioned Schopenhauer. I liked that part where he kept his pistols loaded all the time. Careful man, Arthur because he knew the misery of the human condition. When he was young, I don´t remember the city in Germany, he left in order to avoid Napoleon´stroops. After all he wisely regarded all that situation as none of his business.

Your question "Is there something wrong with me?" Of course there is. You dont want to be exploited, you don´t want to be abused,you don´t want to be pushed, told what to do, you don´t want to obey the authorities, you don´t want to go to church and get a "breath from the "saviour",  you didn´t want to serve in the US army. You don´t want to fit in the Land of the Brave. And last but not least you don´t want to do something "useful" and you don´t want to contribute to "good" society. You are a "menace" to the world. Take care of yourself. Raúl


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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2016, 05:35:49 pm »
 :D

I am a menace just being myself ...  :-[

This calls to mind my favorite part of Catch-22.  I'll have to grab it from the blog.

Found it in Dead End: chapter 16 - Talking Monkeys With Car Keys:

“Well, do you know what you are? You’re a frustrated, unhappy, disillusioned, undisciplined, maladjusted man!” Major Sanderson’s disposition seemed to mellow as he reeled off the uncomplimentary adjectives.

“Yes, sir,” Yossarian agreed carefully. “I guess you’re right.”

“Of course I’m right. You’re immature. You’ve been unable to adjust to the idea of war.”

“Yes, sir.”

“You have a morbid aversion to dying. You probably resent the fact that you’re at war and might get your head blown off any second.”

“I more than resent it, sir. I’m absolutely incensed.”

“You have deep-seated survival anxieties. And you don’t like bigots, bullies, snobs or hypocrits. Subconciously there are many people you hate.”

“Consciously, sir, consciously,” Yossarian corrected in an effort to help. “I hate them consciously.”

“You’re antagonistic to the idea of being robbed, exploited, degraded, humiliated or deceived. Misery depresses you. Ignorance depresses you. Persecution depresses you. Violence depresses you. Slums depress you. Greed depresses you. Crime depresses you. Corruption depresses you. You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if you’re a manic-depressive!”

“Yes, sir, perhaps I am.”
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2016, 04:31:34 pm »
Señor Hentrich,
In the Essay by Schopenhauer, ,that is, The Emptiness of Existence, in the third paragraph Schopenhauer writes " This is why Kant is so great.". I don´t repeat the three paragraphs. I know an answer to my question may take a whole book. Nevertheless could you tell me why Kant is so great. Stay safe. Raúl

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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2016, 06:34:33 pm »
To put it bluntly, Schopenhauer credits Kant with acknowledging the ideality of time and space.  Maybe I don't understand its significance as well as I would like to.  I suppose Schopenhauer found something remarkable in Kant, that he "appealed to the heart."

Does the sentence, "the synthetic a priori propositions of Geometry are only possible if space is an a priori intuition" speak to the heart?  I'm not sure.

Maybe we can gather some notes that give us some clarity as to just why Schopenhauer felt Kant is so great.  Time and space are "intuitions".

Checking some notes of a professor of philosophy:

Quote from: David Banach
Space and Time:

Source of all synthetic a priori propositions of mathematics.

Empirically Real, but Transcendentally Ideal. They are the real necessary conditions of all objective experience, but they have no existence outside of our experience.

 
    Forms of Sensibility-

Space and time are the necessary conditions of all empirical intuitions.


    A priori Intuitions-

Space and time are themselves intuitions that precede all experience and form the template or grid on which they are placed.

 

Space
: The Form of outer sense. Source of synthetic a priori propositions of Geometry.

Arguments:

1.     Space not an empirical concept. All experience of objects in spatial relationships presupposes a space in which they are ordered.

2.     Space is an a priori intuition. We cannot represent to ourselves the absence of space.

3.     Space not a concept of the relation of things. (a) There is only one space  (b) The parts cannot precede this whole since they must exist within it.
(4)Also the synthetic a priori propositions of Geometry are only possible if space is an a priori intuition

4.     (5)Space is an infinite given magnitude. No concept of relations can give rise to an infinitude and no concept can contain an infinite number of representations within it.

                       

Time: The Form of inner sense. Source of synthetic a priori propositions of Arithmetic.

Arguments:

1.     Time not an empirical concept. All experience of objects in spatial relationships presupposes a time in which they are ordered.

2.     Time is an a priori intuition. We cannot represent to ourselves the absence of time.

3.     Time not a concept of the relation of things. (a) There is only one time  (b) The parts cannot precede this whole since they must exist within it.

4.     The synthetic a priori propositions of Arithmetic are only possible if time is an a priori intuition

5.     Time is an infinite given magnitude. No concept of relations can give rise to an infinitude and no concept can contain an infinite number of representations within it.

Come to think of it, I might be losing patience with metaphysics.  To be honest, at this point in my life, I would rather try my hand at factoring polynomials.

Do you think that Kant reached Schopenhauer in a similar way that Schopenhauer has reached us?   It could be that Schopenhauer was better at communicating Kant's ideas, hence, the credit I give to Schopenhauer, he gives to Kant and the traditional religious doctrines of India, what he calls the "Hindoos" [sic].

Maybe it is impossible for us to appreciate Kant the way Schopenhauer did.  There is a multigeneration gap here.   For me, I wouldn't care if Kant did not exist as long as there was a Schopenhauer to explain things to me that neither parents and none of my grandparents or aunts or uncles could.   Schopenhauer is my spiritual grandfather.

When Schopenhauer says, "This is why Kant is so great" it does seem sudden and a statement out of nowhere, so all I can take it to mean is that he credits Kant with introducing to him the ideality of time and space.  I know I am repeating myself here, but I credit Schopenhauer for introducing me to this transcendental view of the order of things ... simply because I would have probably not taken any interest at all in Kant were it not for Schopenhauer's praise of him ... and I have great respect for Schopenhauer.  It is as though he knew it was some kind of miracle that he had escaped the life of a merchant, and he put his intellect to work to pass down some deep insights to the unlucky ones yet to be born.

Of course, there are most likely countless individuals from all cultures around the earth who had deep insights, but there was no medium by which they could pass on their insights to us.

We could think about these things ourselves and see if we can make some sense of it.

What do you think of when you read the phrase "the ideality of time and space"?

I'm not trying to put anyone on the spot, so I will say the phrase is a little mysterious to me.

Does it mean that time and space are mental functions, part of our animality, part of our apparatus for finding our way?  All our lives seem to be a great illusion when we consider the immensity of "time" and "space" ... and yet these things do not exist as real things outside experience.  When we are dead, there is no more time and space.  All the supposed galaxies vanish. 

Certain things are difficult to discuss unless we are willing to live with contradictions and paradoxes, such as the fact that the world is in our heads, but our heads are in the world.

Sometimes I get sleepy and cranky ... in those moments metaphysics does not seem to matter too much.  No matter what one thinks about anything at all, whatever is remains what it is.   This is probably a truism and says nothing.   I suppose we have the world of being and the world of knowing.  I think Kant may have been grappling with the differences between the world as it is and the world that can be known.  It is not so much what he thought or wrote that is significant, but that he wanted to state limits to what can be known.   We can only know the world of appearance, according to Kant.  And yet Schopenhauer points out that we know the world as it is in the core of our being, and that this world-as-it-is is not pleasant.  We know this intimately in our own disagreeableness.   We know what it is to be, to have foulness on our breath, etc.

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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2016, 11:32:46 pm »
This is why Hentrich is so great.That was beautiful.Without you, I would have never known Schopenhauer,let alone Kant.

The reason some people find mathematics so soothing is that while mathematics is synthetic on the one hand(this is what makes it interesting),its based on our forms of understanding & thus empty,on the other.There is no a posterior i(the will) content in it & thus no ghosts to scare me there.

It tells me that mathematics is that closet where I can hide from the rest of horrible world,playing with my toys alone.
And I'd love to share my toys with you:-)
Could you find fof if f(t)=t/(1+t^2)^1/2

And I'd love to play with your toys as well i.e. learn programming from you. I'd download the files which you sent in the other thread & try to decipher it.Mathematics is my hiding place.
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2016, 10:53:22 am »
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Could you find fof if f(t)=t/(1+t^2)^1/2

Are you asking to find f(f(t)), the function of f if it is fed to itself?   f(f)?

If this is what you are asking, we would simply replace t with(t/(1+t^2)^1/2), right?


First of all, for clarity, I would rewrite t/(1+t^2)^1/2 as t/sqrt(t^2 + 1).

You can then evaluate f( f(t) ) = f(t)/sqrt(f(t)^2 + 1) = t/sqrt(t^2 + 1) / sqrt((t/sqrt(t^2 + 1))^2 + 1)

t is still the numerator, and the denominator you have sqrt(t^2 + 1) times sqrt( (t^2 / (t^2 + 1)) + 1)

I verified this with Sage by feeding the function to itself.

This is what you were asking, right?


As far as compiling code, a small notebook computer would suffice, preferably with a hard drive of at least 500GB.  That way you could set it up to dual boot into both Linux and Windows 10.

If it comes with at least Windows 8 on it, Microsoft is giving Windows 10 for free, which is unprecedented.

I know you get sent from place to place by your employer, so a 13.3 inch Dell would be small enough to lug around.  Is there any way to justify the expense other than to play with mathmatical code?

If you did not want to install Linux side by side with Windows, you could always install cygwin and compile code that way.  I only say that because GCC is smoother than getting code to compile in the massive Visual Studios ...

It's something to consider.  I went a long time without a computer, and then was using a huge old desktop computer my nephew had sent me.  Since I was too frugal to get an Internet connection, installing the environments I needed was a pain ... I would lose patience. 

Since I have been a "good boy" and not reporting to the liquor store each morning, I have been able to enjoy computing again.

I understand if you cannot justify the expense. 

It's just that, as far as mathematics goes, although all you really need is paper and pencil (or, in your grandfather's case, did you say he did his calculations in the sand?), a computer with computer algebra system (Sage) takes it to a different level, I think.

Also, if you get into writing some code in C/C++ and Python, these toys transform into mind tools.

Still, the core concepts are accessible without the computer, of course.

Looking at code and mentally tracing through it is one thing, but firing up a debugger and stepping through the code slowly, watching the local variables change as you step through it, is a tremendously satisfying experience.   Seriously, it does not get much better than that.

That's about as good as it gets as far as computing goes.  I would not suggest getting a computer just to do what you can do with your phone.  You can transform the computer that you get into a mathematics laboratory ... and making it dual boot into Linux and Windows is something I have been doing since around 1997 or so ... when I first got kicked to the curb by the State, my x-employer.

Still, I understand your predicament ...

Do you have an Android?  There is C4droid - C/C++ compiler & IDE.

Of course, then you might be on your own, since my experience with smartphones is nil.  I would not be able to troubleshoot too much with you.  It would be much easier for us to discuss problems if we were dealing with similar environments.

One day soon, maybe someone in your extended family will upgrade to a different notebook computer and you can get their hand-me-down.  You will not require much to enjoy the computing power.  I mean, it's not like you need high-end graphics or huge processor speeds (like for gamers).     Maybe put your feelers out and let others know you are looking for a machine.  One man's garbage is another man's gold. 

Writing basic mathematics-oriented programs that run in a terminal (console) from the command line, compiling them and using them alongside pencil and notebook, in my opinion, is one of the most intellectually satisfying hobbies I have ever experienced.

This has been my secret goal since 1994 when I was attending community college on weekends and nights --- in my janitor/maintenance years.

All I ever really wanted to do is "play with mathematics" ...

Now I am stepping away from the computer and returning to pencil and notebook ... but I am going through a Linear Algebra textbook specifically to see which exercises might inspire and motivate me to go into codemode.





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Re: Schopenhauer, Opera Glasses and the Rabble
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2016, 03:35:46 pm »
Señor Nobody,
Thank you very much. It is very kind of you to reply. I am going to read and reread what you wrote.Stay safe. Raúl