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online-born and bred ultra-misogynist cults

only one relevant hit out of all the pages ... I recall some rough accusations by Crazy Squirrel before she stopped posting here (deleting her account and all posts?), but I felt it was crucial we did not repress or hold back our honest take on our own experiences for fear of "rocking the boat" --- enforced by her judgements.  I certainly wanted to defend my stance against the promulgation of the lie that if someone is single, they must wish they were paired off with a "mate" --- or to ignore the type of propaganda spewed out in a film like Color Purple that may have made Ophra extremely wealthy, but also did great damage to men's already smeared image.   That film portrayed men in a terrible light, but - oh well, I suppose some men are wretched, and I suppose I have the potential to be wretched as well, given enough booze and heartache.

I do not see myself as promoting misogynistic attitudes, but since Schopenhauer is one of my heroes, I suppose it is easy for people to assume that I "hate" women.  The fact is, Schopenhauer was fond of women.  He freely and shamelessly admitted that it was the nature of his intelligence which repulsed women.   There is something to this.   There are many angry men, many sex-starved angry young men with Great Rage.   This is a global phenomenon. 

So, you see, just as Holden carefully distances himself from the general antinatalist cult, as well as pointing out the fanaticism within self-identified "atheists" --- being sure to clarify independence from that Big Movement.    We wish to separate ourselves from the masses, even from the categories within the masses in which others would like to place us, labels to be branded with.
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When I reduced the search to online misogynist cults, the first hit was : Incel.    I did research, and I very much wish to disassociate with such a movement.  I do not want to be associated with that mentality in any way, although I am not afraid to consider what it is that is making so many young male human organisms wish to lash out this way.

 We use the term gort, but we realize that we all have gort tendencies, and that the most dangerous gort on the planet is the one that smirks at us in the mirror.  The term gorticide is something more akin to invisible [psychological?] surgery than it is to homicide.

Besides, I like to think that my celibacy is voluntary even though there are absolutely no women showing the least bit of romantic interest in me.   I really do feel that I can't be bothered with the emotional entanglements that go along with pair-bonding.   Maybe one day under certain circumstances, I might pull off what Cioran did and be able to share a domicile with a woman, but it certainly is not something I would SEEK OUT.   It would have to be a woman seeking me out, and I might even do a bit of dodging and eluding to prevent the attachment from forming.

I do not hate women or "couples" ---- I just have a certain disdain for the whole OBSESSION the entertainment, advertz, and music industry has with "romantic love."   It's a goddamn hoax, and those who despise those who cling to romantic delusions are only serving to strengthen those delusions in the minds of the deluded masses.

Holden summed it up in epistemophilia as follows:

You wrote in one of the other threads that when you were in relationship with ladies you used to feel sad if you were not with her or if you had a tiff with her. That is a very deep insight. Now, that you are single you feel far less worried.It works exactly the same way for me too.

-Just Another Nervous Wreck.

What makes communication so challenging is that we may appear to hold contradictory views.  For instance, I do believe that society (and Nature) is anti-male.

I have been told off to my face by a woman for stating such an opinion, and so I have learned to keep such observations to myself.  There is a great deal of tension, where if one speaks up about what we perceive to be the Big Lies of our Society, we leave ourselves open to being categorically demonized as members of an ultra-misogynist cult.   

The world cannot be divided between evil and good.  Evil and good run through the heart of every one of us.   Not only that, but, at least to me and Schopenhauer, there is a difference between lady and woman.    Monied class women are the ladies who Schopenhauer despised - ladies like his own mother?   Well, I cannot disown Schopenhauer no matter what the reactions to some of his more extreme views.  Nor can I easily erase some of my own hard-won attitudes, attitudes I have learned from the streets.   I know the girls can make a mockery of that which truly interests me, for I am very often a serious man; and girls can be extraordinarily silly --- when a woman is being silly, it feels like mockery.     She can get knuckle-draggers to beat me to a pulp, and all she wants to do is dance, dance ...

 

Bottom line:   over the hill ---> my celibacy is voluntary and couples are their own problem, not mine.   There are attractive couples, yes, but they do not deserve to be envied.  There is a smugness and sureness, a certain confidence or even cockiness in some couples that I find irritating.    Maybe there is a conspiracy.  Who knows?

I prefer not to give a shiit.

In this way, I feel more akin to the herbivore men of Japan.  These are similar to Hikikomori, no?

Herbivore men are different. Herbivore men, unlike their “incel” counterparts, are not frustrated by their lack of a romantic relationship with the opposite gender. Instead, they are generally indifferent when it comes to the opposite gender, as evidenced by their lack of romantic pursuits.

This is close, but I don't think this label fits either.   It is all rather interesting though, the overlaps ... such as wanting to get by on the bare necessities and not having to sell my soul to a corporation just to live up to some lifestyle demanded by a woman-partner.  No, I can definitely see where these are related, and I strongly resist being caught in such a snag.

They can label all they want.  They can think they know what makes someone tick.   One thing that they can't stand is when an individual is difficult to classify.

One size must fit all, right?   If one is not looking to be in a romantic relationship, if one is not looking for gainful employment and plans to just do what one must do simply to remain alive and have basic creature comforts, the one may be suspected of taking part in a Great Sexodus, a walking off the plantation, a resigning from the species.

There will always be those who might be made more comfortable by demonizing such behaviors.   They would not want too many "losers" to get it into their heads that the game is not worth playing in the first place.  If the so-called "losers" are not made to feel depressed about their "loser status," then those employed, engaged, married, et cetera don't get to feel as good about being so-called "winners."

Ha.

I'll just have to live out the remainder of my life and watch it all pan out.  I will try to be as kind as possible to my own mother, and try to respect my sister, nieces, aunts, and women in general.   And yet, I do not (and can not) promise to like what I see.  That is, I do not have to defer to the Big Lies about careers, marriage, raising children, etc.

I do not have to believe that evolution knows what the fuuck it is doing. 
I do not have to acknowledge any God, nor do I have to be happy about my place in this Bizarroland of Lies.

Imagine how Celine would be judged in today's atmosphere:

Could it be possible that the radical ultra-misogynist cults will be used by upholders of the status quo to silence and demonize/criminalize a poor man's honest opinion?

"... the ladies chit-chat rules the country (France?) ... the men bat out laws, the ladies attend to the serious business: public opinion ... or a medical practice is made by the ladies ... you haven't got them behind you? ... go drown yourself ... the ladies in your neighborhood are feebleminded, they're blithering idiots? ... perfect!  The stupider, the more bigoted, the more chronically assinine they are, the better they rule!"   (originally posted this excerpt in Poor Stupid Fuucks).

At least this phenomenon appears to be global, but with different dynamics at work for different people.  Still, the upholders of the status quo will most likely speak in the most derogatory, insulting ways, and then, to add injury to these insults, will go about making the unemployed, non-dating, isolating MEN the profile for domestic terror.

As a man who fits this profile, I would think it wise for me to clarify that I have a great sense of humor about the situation, not about the ensuing violence/r-a-p-e, no, no - a sense of humor about my lack of interest in romance or employment.   As long as I can short-circuit the conspiracy of propaganda aimed at me to make me feel "less of a man" just for staring down the MOBs, then I am in no danger of becoming all that upset.

After all, they can fool most of the people most of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.   Are people getting paid to write an onslaught of propaganda to ensure that all the officials are on the same page when it comes to "who is dangerous" among us?

Shall those who engage in conversations about programming put up with the mud-slinging man-hating term "brogramming"?

So now I can be called misogynistic just for being drawn to computer science oriented literature/discussions?

Wow.   Maybe there is a very simple explanation.   When one understands that society is a farce, it makes sense that there would be a conspiracy to demonize or silence anything that seriously threatens the status quo. 

In Japan, the innocent and seemingly harmless Herbivore Man may have spontaneously stumbled upon the way out of this absurd comedy of reproduction.

Deny the Meat Grinder of meat to grind.