Rather than start a new topic about "Ideas for a science-fiction horror novel or hack-film," I'll just place this kind of disturbing daydream here in the COMMUNES thread.
This idea is a tangent off some other thread ... when my thought processes began to go their own way:
Its a shame prisoners and inmates can't keep a flashdrive ... ah, but then they would require access to computers ... We can't transform our penal colonies into Educational Sanctuaries.
I am a straight-forward writer. I lack the ability to create fictional worlds, but this does not mean I do not "daydream." I imagine a modernized, Amerikanized version of Hermann Hesse's GLASS BEAD GAME. Something like Whitley Striber's NATURE'S END.
I think I better put this in a different thread to stay organized.In Nature's End there was a secret community of hyper-intelligent children and uplifted apes called MAGIC. Where am I going with this? I'm not going anywhere with this right now, but while doing the tedious (yet comically sacred) work of scanning "the scribbling madness," there seems to be a different level of the brain "daydreaming" about a "secret community" of "cyber-monks" who learn primitive survival skills along with philosophy and mathematics ...
My daydreams are a cross between Hesse's Glass Bead Game, Strieber's MAGIC community, and Brunner's "Trainites" from THE SHEEP LOOK UP.
I have to get back to work!
The madness project! O:DD!
It's OK to use this message board as a kind of cyber-scratch-pad.
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Name This Novel:
Name this science fiction novel dealing with population explosion and pollution
I am trying to recollect the name of a English-language sci-fi novel dealing primarily with a dystopian future with
Explosive population growth
Widespread global pollution
one of the antagonists is a cult leader who preaches to people to voluntarily commit suicide to reduce burden on society
There is some backdrop story to this antagonist in which he is revealed to be a sadist torturing little animals
The protagonist races against time to find a solution for the pollution which is becoming lethal
he uses notes from his late son who was a researcher in the field to follow a trail. The research notes are in a data pad that self erases if certain questions, devised by his son, are not answered when reading it
the solution he finds at the end is a secret lab that has been growing super-intelligent next generation kids who have the potential to solve all the problems.
I remember reading it around 2002. Though I think it is a 1970-80s work.
Can you help me find the name of the novel?
I read this book in 1987 while living in a halfway house in Elizabeth, New Jersey. It was cool to have that in my imagination. It reminded me a little of The Sheep Look Up ... and by 1988 I ended up in a strange "Minimum Security Prison" out in Wharton State Forest called Wharton Tract Unit.
It was called an "Honor Camp". How uplifting! We were shipped out to work for minimum wage at gas stations on the New Jersey Turnpike and even KFC! Strange and kind of science-fiction.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
The community I am daydreaming about would liberate certain types of prisoners and inmates from the Gulag and place them in a MAGIC community ... cyber-monkmonestary
fiction
Sounds like "Nature's End" by Whitley Strieber & James Kunetka
Explosive population growth
+Ironically (as I type the actual world population is quoted as 7.12 Billion according to The US Census Bureau) this is set at "over 7 Billion" but the "Depopulationist Manifesto" is quoted as saying "The reason that life on earth is in danger of destruction is that there is an overpopulation of human beings".
Widespread global pollution
+The first chapter has the son "Tom" of the main POV character "John Sinclair" dying trying to save others "in the Denver pollution catastrophe of 2021".
one of the antagonists is a cult leader who preaches to people to voluntarily commit suicide to reduce burden on society
+This character is "Gupta Singh" the head of the "Depopulationist Movement". "Every person who joins the Depopulation will gain much from his death and rise far in his next life."
There is some backdrop story to this antagonist in which he is revealed to be a sadist torturing little animals
+"Once I got a cat and tied it by its tail under the window, and cut a small slit in its belly. It screamed and squirmed about, and once in a while I would stick my fingers inside -"
The protagonist races against time to find a solution for the pollution which is becoming lethal
+This is the only thing that doesn't compute. They are racing to complete a "conviction" - a computer simulacrum of a personality which can be questioned and will always tell the truth about the person it is simulating.
he uses notes from his late son who was a researcher in the field to follow a trail. The research notes are in a data pad that self erases if certain questions, devised by his son, are not answered when reading it
+This follows the description of Tom's datafiles exactly, although I can't find the quote.
the solution he finds at the end is a secret lab that has been growing super-intelligent next generation kids who have the potential to solve all the problems.
+It's not a lab, but a secret community of hyper-intelligent children and uplifted apes call "Magic".
Incidentally, this is one of my favourite books!
I will fry a couple eggs, gently place them on toast thereby feeding the angry (and unforgivingly demanding) stomach ... so I can do "my work" ...