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A Strange Orbit
« on: June 24, 2014, 11:48:25 pm »
When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that thinks and talks as yours does is something close to a blessed event ...

Do you know many people who think and talk the way you do?

Even when you search through literature from the past, do you find only a handful of thinkers who are in your orbit?

Maybe 2000 page manifestos serve a function ... for those who are in the state of mind and have the patience and focus ... and maybe short dialogs that convey a certain attitude also serve their function as well.

We'll see. 

With most "message board" projects in the past, I may have been too quick to load the forums with threads and topics.  This time through, I would prefer to move in slow motion.

Maybe less really is more.  Our own nonsense may be more valuable than the sense of the experts and professionals.  Our own insanity may make more sense to us than the sanity of a sick society.

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Re: A Strange Orbit
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 03:06:12 am »
Quote: "Do you know many people who think and talk the way you do?"

Hahahahahaha, NOPE! I never cross paths with anyone who doesn't regard me as a complete weirdo. Oh well, I'm quite used to it now, but it will never cease to be depressing to know that most people have nothing going on inside their heads.

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 09:55:01 am »
It is kind of creepy, and it explains why, when I'm in a public place like a grocery store, I kind of play the buffoon ... just to talk myself through it.  That Dostoevsky had so much insight, and I don't have to keep re-reading his books to "be there."

Well, I just wanted to log in to make sure that there was somewhere a few people that do think a little like me could enjoy each others' take on things.  I have to venture out into Bizarroland to forage for groceries ... and I have to find a DVD drive for the Old Clunker since I have a Linux Mint 17 installation DVD ... They don't offer an option to install with CDs ... My, my, how quickly technology becomes obsolete.  No floppies, no CDs.   

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Re: A Strange Orbit
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 01:54:34 pm »
Well,I don't know any contemporaries who are like me but I think if I consider the past then van Gogh could be said to be in my strange orbit,mind, I'm not saying I'm as talented as he was,only that I suffer as much as he did.Like him, I keep trying to come up with the art which will break the mould,but all I get is disappointment.And what hurts the most is that I'm ridiculed & mocked all the time.

I get mocked more than Jesus,when they were taking him to the cross.Mockery all the damn time.
Maybe I'd die like van Gogh too.

PS-Hey Mr H.this is Justin.Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2014, 02:25:21 pm »
This is how the society makes me feel-like a dog-I quote van Gogh-

There’s a great reluctance about taking me into the house as there would be about having a large, shaggy dog in the house. He’ll come into the room with wet paws — and then, he’s so shaggy. He’ll get in everyone’s way. And he barks so loudly.
In short — it’s a dirty animal.
Very well — but the animal has a human history and, although it’s a dog, a human soul, and one with finer feelings at that, able to feel what people think about him, which an ordinary dog can’t do.
And I, admitting that I am a sort of dog.
This home is also too good for me, and Pa and Ma and the family are so unduly fine (no feelings, though)1 and — and — they are ministers — many ministers. So the dog recognizes that if they were to keep him it would be too much a question of putting up with him, of tolerating him ‘in this house’, so he’ll see about finding himself a kennel somewhere else.
The dog may actually have been Pa’s son at one time, and Pa himself really left him out in the street rather too much, where he inevitably became rougher, but since Pa himself forgot that years ago and actually never thought profoundly about what a bond between father and son meant, there’s nothing to be said.  1v:2
Then — the dog might perhaps bite — if he were to go mad — and the village constable would have to come round and shoot him dead. Very well — yes, all that, most certainly, it is true.

The dog is just sorry that he didn’t stay away, because it wasn’t as lonely on the heath as it is in this house — despite all the friendliness. The animal’s visit was a weakness that I hope people will forget, and one that he’ll avoid lapsing into again.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 01:34:12 am »
Strange oribit..anyone heard of the Amityville Horroer story-a house haunted by demons?The kind of life I have makes me want to believe in the devil & the demons.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 10:46:06 pm »
In certain periods of my life I found it useful to consider the existence of "demons" - what psychology now calls "complexes" ... "The Spirit World" - psychology calls this "the unconscious" ... what's the difference what we call it?  It is some kind of phenomenon.  It's all guess work.  What do we really know? 

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This, then, is the ultimate, that is only, consolation: simply that someone shares some of your own feelings and has made of these a work of art which you have the insight, sensitivity, and — like it or not — peculiar set of experiences to appreciate. Amazing thing to say, the consolation of horror in art is that it actually intensifies our panic, loudens it on the sounding-board of our horror-hollowed hearts, turns terror up full blast, all the while reaching for that perfect and deafening amplitude at which we may dance to the bizarre music of our own misery.”
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2014, 11:07:19 pm »
Crazy Squirrel: 
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I never cross paths with anyone who doesn't regard me as a complete weirdo.

I, for one, appreciate your attitude.  You have a great disdain for gorts.  You always knew exactly the kind of people I was referring to when I used the term gort.  They sit in audiences on television and worship celebrities.  They go berserk over new cars ... and some of the more deluded ones want to colonize outer space - those totally deluded gorts I call space monkeys.

 8)

Weird is a good thing here, Crazy Squirrel.  We are metaphysical mutants ... The way I see it, in being born we were involved in a horrible accident of cosmic proportions.  Now, since gort society depends upon sugar-coating this existential fact, there really are not many "places" where we can discuss the situation honestly without being bombarded with thought-destroying demands to "cheer up" or "stop whining". 

I am not suicidal, but I am not going to believe anyone's life is anything but unpleasant.  It's built into our design ...  Going through life feeling weird ... I propose that this is universal.  I think that maybe everyone is weird, that life itself is weird. 

The problem with gort society is that the gorts behave as if all is as it should be ... they are acclimated to living in Hell ... and may not even think too much about it, preferring to be deluded by the lies they chant daily.  I really think it is a sign of merit to be out of sync with the mainstream.  They are driving full speed over the cliff, and instead of applying the brakes, they're speeding up. 

It's probably worse than we even imagine ... Schools exist to produce consumers who want to conform to mass society.  When we see this world for what it is, it can be very creepy.  Much like the science-fiction horror story Invasion of the Body Snatchers, it can't hurt us to talk about these feelings of not being down with what is transpiring. 

The whole point of that book was that the way human beings live is not much different than the way the space pods would live.  What is the difference? 

The gorts don't point at us and scream, but on some level they seem to be aware of one who is "not participating" ...
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 07:47:46 am »
 on some level they seem to be aware of one who is "not participating"

You are so right, they recognize us, sometimes its like I’m in Buchenwald &  I am roaming around with a yellow star of David armband with the word"Jude" written on it.oh,no two ways about that, they recognize us alright. But the nightmare begins after they have recognized us for what we are -Metaphysical Mutants to Gorts,Jews to Nazis, Red Indians to Yankees.

Tell you what, they will not relent till they have wiped us off the face of the planet.Guranteed.And that’s okay because isn’t that what we want-to cease to exist? But the problem is,the mode of bringing about our non-existence which the gorts choose is painful in the extreme.

 
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 10:34:18 am »
Thank you for acknowledging the fact that we have been recognized as not conforming to the status quo and most likely have been targeted.  It's not really a conspiracy.  It's done systematically and all out in the open.

[I just type "Adorno" in the local search engine at xhentric.wordpress.com and find exactly what I am looking for.]

Horkheimer and Adorno articulate the situation I experience in everyday life in the following:

“Anyone who does not conform is condemned to an economic impotence which is prolonged in the intellectual powerlessness of the eccentric loner. Disconnected from the mainstream, he is easily convicted of inadequacy.”


From Enlightenment and Deception:

“The most intimate reactions of human beings become so entirely reified, even to themselves, that the idea of anything peculiar to them survives only in extreme abstraction: personality means hardly more than dazzling white teeth and freedom from body odor and emotions. That is the triumph of advertizing in the culture industry: the compulsive imitation by consumers of cultural commodities which, at the same time, they recognize as false.”

What keeps the runners racing around the track?  Mass Mentality.  Herd Morality. Mass mentality is addicted to stupidity ... systematic stupidity.  Mass mentality is not interested in serious philosophical analyses of the world.   A philosopher, with serious intellectual activities, would not become a popular icon as much as a rock star with a bunch of simply stated slogans.  Even when a serious thinker is able to reach large numbers of other serious thinkers, the mass mentality will reduce his or her thought into simple slogans or simple one-dimensional labels: nihilist, antinatalist, pessimist, prophet of doom and gloom, Nazi sympathizer, misogynistic misanthrope, seriously disturbed individual with mental disorders ...

Mass culture cannot live without the image of an enemy.  The enemy of the model citizen is the odd loner who has certain quirks and weird ideas.  While the crowd is cheering on their favorite team, the creepy weirdo (enemy of mass [gort] society) is morbidly contemplating on the nature of infinity and why there is a world rather than not.  While the masses are worshiping their shiny new gort-mobiles, the creepy weirdo (enemy of mass [gort] society) is arranging his or her life in such a way as to use a car as little as possible.  The masses are using tablets and touch screens.  The weirdo makes due with (and actually prefers) the old school dinosaur model ... which is why Bill Gates and his Merry Code-Monkeys no longer support XP and push operating systems that require high-end hardware ... to force the weirdo geeks into eternal consumption of "the new" ...

You see how its all connected, that it is not some mysterious conspiracy, but is all done systematically in the light of day, in church basements, in schools and factories and workplaces and hospitals: conform or be cast out ... subdivisions.  Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone.

This image of the other, the different, as the enemy is what sustains mass [gort] culture.  Drink cola and watch tv.  Order a pizza.  Mass [gort] culture depicts the minorities as sleeping threats who have suspicious loyalties.  What - you don't have a supervisor?  No significant other to keep an eye on where your head is at?  You need help!  You need a therapist.  You need religion or something.  Have you tried A.A. or a support group for people who think too much?

It is easy now for mass media (including public education and popular religion) to point at the Nazi Devil and speak of the injustice that was done to the Jews, but at the same time mass [gort] culture reproduces other imaginary enemies out of defenseless minorities whose members are seen more like time bombs waiting to explode rather than individual human beings. (Ahmed 2008).

I am starting to think that the new imaginary enemy in postmodern mass industrial society will be the "mentally ill" or the "emotionally disturbed" since this category has no class or race or nationality.  Anyone can be tagged mentally ill to discredit them politically, and hence, place them outside the gort mass and at the mercy of the gort officials and gort professionals.

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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 10:58:58 am »
Holden, your last statement deserves special attention since it is at the root of a contradiction between two coherent thinkers I admire equally: John Trudell (our contemporary) and Arthur Schopenhauer (from a couple hundred years ago).

"Tell you what, they will not relent till they have wiped us off the face of the planet.Guranteed.And that’s okay because isn’t that what we want-to cease to exist? But the problem is,the mode of bringing about our non-existence which the gorts choose is painful in the extreme."

Trudell says that the rich industrialists of the corporate state are busy 24 hours a day devising ways to break our spirit, our will to live.  As you point out, for one who finds life unpleasant, there is a certain harmony to this ... And yet, we would like to think we are coming up with this idea ourselves rather than having it planted in our heads by those who have farmed us.

In the United States, with so many over-educated people finding themselves to be superfluous in a job market with so many redundant low wage jobs, when their unemployment checks run out, they face a decision: commit suicide or claim disability due to clinical depression.  Gort society prefers mass suicide rather than paying people to stay home. 

The most stubborn will go on the dole, but there are countless others who drink themselves to death or put themselves in harm's way to get themselves killed ... As Crazy Squirrel points out, the antinatalist message boards are flooded with people looking to be euthanized. 

I'm for sticking around and having serious discussions about the real situation.  If we take a little time every day to think about these things, we will be more confident in our own thinking process and less likely to be destroyed by the corporate mind ****.

"Blessings of the State.  Blessings of the masses.  Let us be thankful we have commerce.  Buy more.  Buy more now. Buy and be happy."

youtube.com/watch?v=oWJh7LqoZLk - Take your sedatives

youtube.com/watch?v=WH89ELnfPfQ - Leave Jail

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 11:49:55 pm »

(From Hesse’s Narcissus and Goldmund)

“Are you scared?  Do you notice something?  Yes, the world is full of death, full of death.  Death sits on every fence, stands behind every tree.  Building walls and dormitories and churches won’t keep death out; death looks in through the window, laughing, knowing every one of you.”

   “Go ahead, say your evening prayers, say your morning prayers, sing your psalms, gather    herbs in your laboratory, collect books in your libraries.  Are you fasting, my friend?     He’ll lend you a hand, our old friend, the Reaper.  He’ll strip you to the bones.  Run, run    to the fields and see that your bones stay together.  They’re trying to escape, they don’t    want to be with us.  Our poor bones want to be free, it all wants to go to the devil.  The    crows are sitting in the trees.”
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2014, 05:43:29 am »
Trudell says that the rich industrialists of the corporate state are busy 24 hours a day devising ways to break our spirit, our will to live.  As you point out, for one who finds life unpleasant, there is a certain harmony to this ... And yet, we would like to think we are coming up with this idea ourselves rather than having it planted in our heads by those who have farmed us.


Let me get this straight, what you are saying here is that maybe its the corporate state which is sponsoring all the suicide fora which have mushroomed all over the internet of late. Could be, capitalism certainly has a penchant for human blood.
But even without  the corporations & capitalism, human life by its very nature is evil,if we had socialism of the most benevolent kind,I am sure some of the human misery will get reduced, but even then I’d choose death over life.

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2014, 10:10:29 am »
even without  the corporations & capitalism, human life by its very nature is evil,if we had socialism of the most benevolent kind,I am sure some of the human misery will get reduced, but even then I’d choose death over life.

You understand the dilemma.  I suspect that it has never been and never will be a good time to be born into the world, into any world.

This is, of course, impossible to prove, although David Benatar does go through a general explanation of why this is so.  I know it is difficult for those of us who recognize the wretchedness of capitalism and consumerism to consider the possibility that there is no solution to the problem of suffering and "evil" ...

Hell, long before Benatar, Schopenhauer asks us to consider two animals, one who is engaged in eating the other.  The pleasure the eater experiences must be miniscule to the pain of the one being eaten.  There are degrees to suffering.  Have you seen Derrick Jensen's book about animals in zoos?  They look extremely angry and even demoralized.  Which is worse, the terrors of the jungle or the horror of being a prisoner in a zoo?

I think socialism would at least acknowledge the inherent suffering and try to provide for the basics for as many people as possible, but no government can protect its citizens against the existential horror of existence itself.  You are right.  Hence, our defeatism.    :'(
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2014, 09:30:39 am »
Yes but I think there is a teeny weeny hope still(not for us but for the unborn)..in that we can become evangelists for a new religion called anti-natalism,try to save souls.
If we can prevent even one person from entering this world then I think it would be a big deal.Think about all the potential agony,suffering & insanity we'd be able to prevent.
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