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Re: Modern Mathematics as Religion
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2021, 02:51:09 pm »
Thanks.
You are right ,ofcourse.
Here are some of the thing I find intriguing:
1.Prime numbers appear to be related to the behaviour of subatomic particles.

2.The density of the occurrence  of the prime number.For example ,there are 25 primes between 1 to 100 but only 21 between 101 to 200.

3.All the non-trivial zeros of the zeta function appear to be  on the critical line and not outside of it.

I tried pasting the code in the compiler and but I keep getting some kind of error.Maybe I am not doing it right.
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Re: Modern Mathematics as Religion
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2021, 10:45:04 am »
Sorry for the delay, Holden.  The Mother had police at our house last night.  She told me this morning that I had been drunk, shouting how I hated her, my father, and God Almighty.

Screw Bill Gates and the horse he rode in on as well.

Anyway.  You can always hardwire the numbers into the code.  I think that the compiler is limited (online).   You can replace the following lines in main():

    int main()
    {
       int j,n,count=0;
       printf("Enter a number: ");
       scanf("%d",&n);

with:

    int main()
    {
       int j,n,count=0;
       n = <whatever-positive-integer>;

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I am going out to gather groceries for the next few weeks.   
I went out to the garden this morning before the sun came up and thought deeply, considering not planting seeds this spring, even though the soil is rich and black from the last 6 years of gardening.

I feel as though my mother and I are not really out of the woods yet as far as that Schopenhauerian-level confrontation goes.

I suspect that Cioran's relationship with his mother was rather strained as well.  Did she not tell him that, if she knew how unhappy he would become with existence in general, she would have gladly aborted him.   :-\

The Plan was for me to care for mom as she ages into her 80's (and beyond?), but I suppose I feel suffocated here, always pecked, pecked, pecked, threatened with extreme consequences when inebriated.   Alcohol brings back many angry emotions that must be all wrapped up within my tormented soul. 

I feel Henry Foolish, and do experience moments when I get along with myself well, that is, I sometimes laugh or even throw a little dance into my walking.
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Re: Modern Mathematics as Religion
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2021, 03:01:30 pm »
I am truly sorry about your recent troubles.I hope you get some respite.
Everything is highly unstable like some of the radioactive elements.That is the nature of existence.

I hope the cops did not disturb you much.The problem is  almost,every relationship  ends up creating a great deal of painful drama.

One organism,no matter how strong,cannot fight the whole of the rest of existence.So,I try to stay hidden as much as possible.

Around the same time when you sent me the message I was having an argument  with my mother over the telephone.She wanted me to call up some of my cousins aand I said I do not wish to have anything to do with any of the cousins.

Every interaction ends up becoming some kind of waterboarding.

Please take care.
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The Machine in Our Heads
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2021, 09:04:31 pm »
Thank you for your empathy, Holden.

I found that listening to me read The Machine in Our Heads (from 2012 or so) has been helpful.  I see where my resentments come from, identifying my parents as unknowing agents/representatives of "civilization" and the traumatic "civilizing process".

Quote from: Glenn Parton
Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny that is to say, the development of the individual is an abbreviated repetition of the development of the species. In childhood, a modern person travels an enormous distance between stone-age primitive creature and responsible contemporary citizen. When confronted with the awesome power of civilization whose first representatives are parents, teachers, priests (and, later on, police officers, legislators and bosses) the child faces, psychologically, the same situation as its tribal ancestors, namely, conform to the dictates of civilization or die. The helplessness of childhood makes the threat of bodily harm or loss of love, which is used by the parents and others to enforce civilized morality and civilized education, a traumatic experience. The developing little person becomes afraid to express its own tribal nature. There is much fear that lies at the bottom of becoming a civilized adult.

 When the child becomes aware of ideas and impulses that oppose the dictates of civilization, s/he experiences anxiety, which is the signal for danger. It is not the insights and urges themselves that the child fears, but rather the reaction to them on the part of those in charge. Since the child cannot escape from those who control its life, s/he runs away from dangerous thoughts and feelings. In other words, the child institutes repression of its primitive self. Tribal ideas are now isolated, cut off from awareness, and unable to properly influence the future course of events.

The trauma or inescapable terror of civilization is responsible for the derangement of reason. That inner dialogue in the human mind that is the hallmark of self-consciousness has ceased, because the depth-dimension of reflective thought, which is the primitive mind, has been silenced. Modern people no longer hear their own primal voice, and without interaction between new ideas and old ideas, the demands of the individual and the demands of the tribe (and species), there is no deep thinking. On the contrary, when reason is cut off at the roots, it becomes shallow, unable to determine what is of true value in life.

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Re: Modern Mathematics as Religion
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2021, 04:04:19 pm »
That is a very good analysis.I hope you are feeling a bit better now.The problem is,as Nietzsche says,"you have come too soon".

I hope your deep interest in maths,Truth and philosophy  sustains you and makes you feel better.When I am hurting,I yearn for solitude.

Like Ubermensch hurt by kryponite I retreat to the Fortress of solitude.

Take care,Herr Hauser.

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Fortress of Solitude
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2021, 02:09:10 pm »
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Like Ubermensch hurt by kryponite I retreat to the Fortress of solitude.

Just last night I was at my wits end simply having to be a passenger in someone's vehicle who was speaking loudly and even pointing out the window across where my face was, with the hand and finger only inches in front of my face.   I longed for my Fortress of Solitude, which is simply a chair I sit in on a small patch of grass in front of our "unit."   When I collapsed in my chair, I understood just how crucial this modus operandi is:  Others drain our energies, our emotions, etc.   We need solitude to allow ourselves to at least try to enjoy our own company without being yelled at, criticized, corrected, or generally "fucked with" (poked with a stick), bossed around, ordered about.

As soon as I wake up in the morning, a flood of terror seems to seep into my Creaturely Presence.  All I need to do is walk outside, walk around, and I immediately begin to feel less anxiety.   You have to keep returning to that well, Holden, repeatedly.
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Most people are obnoxiously loud and tactless unfortunately. I hope that you find yourself in comfortable situations.

You are like Riemann in way( I have been reading his ideas, in my own small way.) On the outside, you are dreamy and placid,but on the inside,in  your mind, you are burning brighter than a thousand exploding suns.

I very much hopes that people stop disturbing you so that you could continue your studies and get to sing and talk to the sky.
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3.All the non-trivial zeros of the zeta function appear to be  on the critical line and not outside of it.

Most people tend to get away from abstract thinking and concepts. Yet, it could be so very charming and yes,almost mystical,in a way.
I am beginning to see how Mathematics-Physics-Programming-Logic-Philosophy( of the right sort), might all be interlinked.

Please take care.
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Scarcity Economics
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2021, 10:11:46 pm »
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Most people are obnoxiously loud and tactless unfortunately. I hope that you find yourself in comfortable situations.

You are like Riemann in way( I have been reading his ideas, in my own small way.) On the outside, you are dreamy and placid,but on the inside,in  your mind, you are burning brighter than a thousand exploding suns.

I very much hopes that people stop disturbing you so that you could continue your studies and get to sing and talk to the sky.

Thank you, Holden.  It seems that even though I might break bread and be on the most respectful terms with some people, there will be moments when I am shocked by their malice, pettiness, and absolute tactlessness.   There is a crusade against certain types of humor.  Money is a great source of disharmony between people in our civilization, especially in the nooks and crannies, among the Realest of the People.

I often sense that there is a potential for harmony, if only we did not have such scarcity economics; that is, I do not think people would be as mean-spirited and cruel were there more universal affluency.
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This is What the World Will Look Like When It Ends
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2021, 03:13:01 pm »
The problem is, scarcity is as fundamental an axiom of the discipline of Economics as the ZFC axioms of mathematics.

Take away that axiom and the discipline of Economics itself disappears along with it.

I have recently been looking into Abel–Ruffini theorem and while I was doing so, I was reminded of your message and I started to wonder if there could ever be an entity called “Economics of Plenty”. Please allow me to elaborate.

Today, as you know, Noway is one of most affluent nations. I am sure you know quite well as you have cousins in that neck of the wood.But they were quite poor in the 19th century.In fact, they turned rich,primarily, after the oil boom which began in the 1960s.

(I wonder if you could migrate to that region with a little help from your cousins ,maybe,your ideas and work might get better appreciation there and also you might be able to access more resources which you could then channel towards your mathematical/philosophical work).
Abel was a Norwegian mathematician. But he was not from an affluent family. In those days, in Norway, there was almost no programs pertaining to higher mathematics so he was forced to travel to Germany in order to learn. He often had to survive of on just one meal a day because he was short of funds.
He really wanted to meet Gauss but some jealous people told him that Gauss looked down upon his work so he decided not to meet him( Gauss was unaware of all this intrigue).

While he was a gifted mathematician ,he did not possess the philosophical insights of our good friend Herr Schopenhauer and so he traveled in a sledge ,in a raging snow storm, to meet his fiancee.

He contracted tuberculosis( now where have I heard about that disease before?).

He died within a few days. Two days after his demise the postman brought a letter from his friend wherein it was was mentioned that he had been appointed as a professor of mathematics in the University of Berlin.

 He was to mathematics,what van Gogh was to art.

Anyway, that way long digression, what I wanted to say that this-there is no guarantee that the regions which are now affluent won’t revert back to being poverty-stricken.

Let’s just say people in Africa and in my own “Fatherland”, are allergic to buying “rubber”.

In a lot of ways, “my Fatherland” resembles Norway of the 19th century.

I,for one, believe that the population bomb has not been defused.In fact, I am writing this to you,while I sit atop the bomb.
In the the end,it would be Malthus,not Jesus or Joseph Smith ,who would turn out to the true Prophet.

I recently came across this:

While traveling through Africa, he depicts “a nightmare world of poisoned and ruined landscapes; impoverished, starving villages” — and eventually decides to abort his journey because traveling further meant “traveling into madness.” Most poignantly, as he observes a typically decrepit African slum with an Angolan, the man observes, “This is what the world will look like when it ends.”

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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2021, 10:19:39 am »
I am looking into boundry value problems.


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Re: Modern Mathematics as Religion
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2021, 01:33:04 pm »
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Wildberger discusses continued fractions
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2021, 10:40:03 pm »
Wildberger discusses continued fractions and how they are related to the Greatest Common Denominator algorithm:



I am leaving this link because I am about to shut down the computer, and I would like to remember to continue learning from NJ Wildberger.

If I live to do so, I will rewrite the entire PDF file of Divine Proportions just to force myself to appreciate the novelty of his approach.  Maybe I am rising out of this bad funk.
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