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In Search of Other Metaphysical Mutants
« on: July 17, 2014, 11:56:06 pm »
Over the next couple of weeks I will list some links in this thread.  I myself generally just check my email and log into this message board.  I will only be posting at the wordpress blog if I am motivated to write longer essays, which I haven't been motivated to do as of late.

I rarely search for places on the Internet to explore, but I will do so at this time, so that, when time is limited at the library, I will have places of interest I may want to inspect waiting here in this thread.

http://schopenhauers-poodle.tumblr.com/

This guy was fielding anonymous questions.  Interesting.  An example ... the first question:

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: Hello. I wondered if you would consider Schopenhauer in any way anti-Semitic? I have been reading some of his writings on the topic of animal welfare lately, and there are some rather remarkable outbursts, including uses of the term foetor Judaicus or 'Jewish Stench'. If you're interested I've laid out my own provisional view of the matter at http://aholeintheearth.wordpress.com/?s=Schopenhauer&submit=Search

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Hi and thanks for the question.

This is an interesting question and one that is hard to answer.  Like all people in the nineteenth century, there is some anti-semitism going on, but sort of in the way that all people 50 years were homophobic.  I’ll quote a section here from a fantastic biography by David E. Cartwright:

"Although it could be said that Schopenhauer’s philosophy expressed an abstract love for humankind and that he found it personally difficult to have love for particular people, it could also be said that he had an abstract hatred for Judaism as well but he could value highly individual Jews.  His contempt for Judaism was philosophical, directed at its early biblical form, where it appeared to have no doctrine of immortality for the faithful, a doctrine he thought essential for a religion.  His disdain was enhanced by viewing Judaism as expressing realism and optimism, a false metaphysics and a pernicious attitude toward a world doomed to suffering and death"

Unfortunately, the person's last post was in November 2013.  You could try asking him a question to see if he responds.  Pessimists and defeatists are dropping like flies form the blogosphere ... maybe losing interest and losing incentive. Well, maybe, as it is with me, where I figure no one is "out there" or most everyone prefers to put something in his/her purse rather into his/her head,  they only check in from time to time.

Basically, understand that "the real world" is a lie.

As suspected, I haven't found many or any forums out there geared specifically to the theme that the real world is a farce, a phantasmagoria ... Even if you do a search yourself for "Schopenhauer," you will get lists of books by him or about him.  You will get references to him from articles in blogs ... Not much actual dialogue or conversations with in-the-flesh Schopenhauer-like mutants ...

Then there are little threads such as "Was Schopenhauer a misogynist?" but no real Cult of Schopenhauer, per se.  One might consider the antinatalist movement to be a kind of cult of Schopenhauer, but, as Crazy Squirrel had mentioned, some are filled with suicides looking for strong and effective poisons so they can do themselves in ... whereas, like Schopenhauer, as long as I am already alive, I figure death is imminent, so why push it?

You might try to track one of these mutants down:  http://groups.able2know.org/philforum/topic/1274-1

That short thread was from 2010 ...

Nope, Holden, we are a strange breed.  Of course the university philosophers ignore him.  What a **** scandal!   Oh well, take a bow.  Ain't nothing like the real thing ...
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Re: In Search of Other Metaphysical Mutants
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2014, 09:20:18 am »
One might point out an "obvious" reason why there would be few who think like Cioran or Schopenhauer.  The genes, the DNA, the mutation responsible for thinking so deeply that it short circuits the will to reproduce does not get passed on in the gene pool, and so the mass of humanity is not at all inclined to turn the intellect against itself.

Could this be the explanation?

The life perspectives of Schopenhauer, Zapffe, Cioran, Lovecraft, and in our era, Ligotti, ourselves, the antinatlaists, the defeatists, the nihilists ... well, these perspectives are seen as DEPRESSING.  The gorts want life perspectives that are UPLIFTING.

Well, LA DEE DAH.

"Panglossian falsehoods convene the crowds; discouraging truths disperse it."  ~ Ligotti

Pangloss is not in my new Thesaurus, Mr. Ligotti ...

Pangloss - a person who views a situation with unwarranted optimism; after Dr Pangloss , a character in Voltaire's Candide  (1759)

We live in a culture of hope.  Experiment with the search engine for a moment and see how many of the results return "solutions" and "cures" for depressive or pessimist when you are really looking for others with this anti-vital tendency so we could validate our conclusions.  Instead you are directed to some article about a scientific study telling you that "some people are genetically predisposed to depression" and how the eggheads want to inject certain chemicals into depressives to make them more hopeful and optimistic and life-affirming.  [PUKE]

I think I'll add a subtitle to Metaphysical Mutants: Pessimistic Depressives - or just break it down to "Pessimistic Depressives" or "Depressive Pessimists" ... We don't want to be "cured" or "fixed" ...
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Re: In Search of Other Metaphysical Mutants
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2014, 12:41:38 pm »
I want to thank you for putting all the links here.Its sad  that you won't be able to post frequently,but whatever I have gained from you so far is tremendous,enough to last a life time.
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Re: In Search of Other Metaphysical Mutants
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2014, 03:32:05 pm »
Which name do you prefer for this message board - Metaphysical Mutants, Depressive Pessimists, or a combination, like, Depressive Pessimists and Their Metaphysical Mutations?

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Re: In Search of Other Metaphysical Mutants
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2014, 04:41:33 pm »
Or how about a mathematical symbol?  The Ontological Schema of the Two?

{∅, {∅}}

Or the ontological schema of the Three?  {∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}}

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∅ implies { }

The singleton of the void is written here as {∅}.

The name of the void is written here as ∅, meaning the empty set, { }, NULL.

{∅} is the formation-into-one of the name of the void. Its sole element is ∅.

What would the parts of the power set of p(∅) be?

There is {∅} itself; there is also ∅ because the void is universally included in every multiple.
 
∅ is part of every set. The multiple p(∅) has two elements, ∅ and {∅}.

Here, woven from nothing apart from the void, we have the ontological schema of the Two, which can be written {∅, {∅}}.

The element ∅ is part of the Two.

The element {∅} is also part since ∅ is an element of the Two (it belongs to it).

The two elements of the two are also two parts of the two. The mathematical concept of transivity is therefore possible. Transitivity tells us, “everything which belongs is included.”

The inverse is impossible.

It is not possible for everything which is included to belong.

Not only is the Two a transitive set, but its elements, ∅ and {∅} are also transitive.

Nothing inside ∅ is not “a part” since the void is no thing, the empty set, null.

This is the backbone of ontology – the very concept of Nature: Nature belongs to itself.
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Re: In Search of Other Metaphysical Mutants
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2014, 05:28:41 pm »
Note to self:   The code for the PHI symbol, ∅, is '∅' minus the apostrophes.



A Few Comments About ∅

As stated, ∅ is a symbol for the empty set, { }, “the void” ----> NULL.
 
The void is a subset of any set: it is universally included.

The void possesses a subset, which is the void itself.

Examining these properties of the void is an ontological exercise.

The first property testifies to the omnipresence of the void.

The void, to which nothing belongs, is by this very fact included in everything!

The State considers the individual as a subset – not as Your-Government-Name (the proper name of an infinite multiple) but as {Your-Government-Name}, an indifferent figure of unicity, constituted by the forming-into-one of the name.   The individual is included within the State.

Coercion consists in not being held to be someone who belongs to society, but as someone who is included within society.

Does this make sense?  Note the difference between BELONGING to society and being INCLUDED within society.  A stateless person doesn't "belong to" any state.  A de facto stateless person is someone who is outside the country of his or her nationality and is unable or, for valid reasons, unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of that country. 

The relation of belonging is the fundamental non-logical relation that structures all sets, and is written '∈'.    The relation of being included is written '⊂'.  I'm not sure if the difference is clear to me.
 
Given a set A = {a, b, c, d}, the elements that belong to it are: a, b, c and d.

But what about sets that share coincident elements, such as B = {a, b} for example?

Such a set is said to be included in A, or to be a subset of A, and is written: B⊂A.

If all the elements of a set B are also elements of A, then B is included in A.

The Power Set Axiom then states that if a set A exists then so does the set of all A’s subsets.

Taking the example C = {a, b, c}, the power set of C is: p(C) = {{a}, {b}, {c}, {a, b}, {a, c}, {b, c}, {a, b, c}, ∅}.

The new set, p(C), has eight, or (2 to the 3rd power) (2^3) elements. Perhaps the only two surprising inclusions are the empty set and the set C itself. Given the definition of a subset, their inclusion becomes clear. Although the original set cannot belong to itself, on pain of paradox and inconsistency, it can include itself as it obviously shares all its elements.

The empty set, ∅, has the unique property of being universally included in all sets; there is no element belonging to ∅, which is not also an element of any other set, as ∅ has no elements.

If sets present their elements, they represent their subsets. The full representation of a set is equivalent to its power set, and Badiou calls this the State of a situation. The State represents the situation, and it will be in the minimal relation between an infinite set/situation and its power set/State that novelty will be possible.

Badiou’s set theoretical universe is sparse; only the empty set exists.

The first new set he produces is p(∅) = {∅}, a set with one element, a singleton.

This is not too surprising either, if the general rule is that the number of elements of a power set are 2^n, where n is the original number of elements, if n = 0 then 2^0 = 1.

From this Badiou derives the rule that given any set A, then its singleton, {A}, also exists.

We are now in a position to consider the construction of the finite ordinals. The void, or empty set, ∅, can be considered as the first natural ordinal 0, with its singleton {∅} corresponding to the ordinal 1.

The successor of these two ordinals is the union of these two: ∅∪{∅} = {∅, {∅}}, the ordinal 2.

The process of succession is to form the unity between the current ordinal and the singleton of this current ordinal. The construction of the ordinal 3 is accomplished as follows: the union of {∅, {∅}} with its singleton {{∅, {∅}}}: {∅, {∅}}∪{{∅, {∅}}} = {∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}}. In general if a is an ordinal the successor of a is a∪{a}.  This is equivalent to the idea of adding one. The interesting feature of this construction of the ordinals is that all the previous stages of the construction appear within the current level as elements. Every element of an ordinal is itself an ordinal.  It is this feature of nesting and homogeneity that qualifies a set as transitive:

∀A∀B (A∈C & B∈A) → B∈C

This reads, if A belongs to C and B belongs to A, then B belongs to C.

Badiou calls such transitive sets normal and recognizes them as the hallmark of natural situations.
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Re: In Search of Other Metaphysical Mutants
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2014, 07:35:38 pm »
Now we go insane.




{∅}

{∅, {∅}}

{∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}}

{∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}, {∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}}}

{∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}, {∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}}, {∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}, {∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}}}}

Could going over this drive one insane?  Or, could going over this while awake lodge these concepts into the unconscious mind in such a way as to make the structure of reality felt on a deeper level while asleep?

Could thinking too much drive one to drink?  I mean, could the brain reach a limit and just want to destroy its coherency?  Could one reach a point where he/she desired incapacitation?   :P
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 10:07:17 am »
Part of my brain, somewhere mostly hidden from the conscious mind, has been reflecting on the Void, wondering if perhaps the Void, the nothingness within, is not what is most real in every single existent.

Notice each element in the ontological schema of the Three includes the Void, the empty set:

  {∅, {∅}, {∅, {∅}}}

The void, to which nothing belongs, is by this very fact included in everything.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2019, 07:59:00 pm »
Update on evolution-towards-extinction, Notes on Metaphysical Mutations: Getting back to the Roots of our Ideological Transmutations ...

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2019, 06:46:14 am »
Herr kaspar And senor Raul
I have just been released from intensive care unit due to tuberculosis and had no internet access but I kept  thinking of the two of you.I am very weak .Please give me some time I have had some Descartes likes meditations.I will write soon n miss you both.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2019, 11:26:03 am »
Holden!   I had just been studying this very thread, well, more like standing before it, mesmerized, maybe in an attempt to allow deeper parts of the mind to understand ... and it was working!   Brother, I was feeling the connections ... but also a confusion introduced itself which had not been there before, having to do with the use of the term "State."

To see you posting (at all) on this particular thread is too mysterious, in a Joe Campbell kind of way.

I am sorry for the physical suffering you have been enduring, and I commend your spirit for acknowledging this as an opportunity for your mind to "recalibrate," having opportunities to "drift," undertand things in a different way.    There is the inner protagonist ... let it cry out, allow it to be mean-spirited and cruel when the situation is appropriate.

Maybe you will be relieved of paying ever-lasting reguard to petty bickerings of everyday life.    Wherever your mind must wander in enduring the struggles of your organism, I sense you have an ancient, primordial even, trust in the processes of the Great Meat Grinder.   You may be forgiving of its apparent brutality, since it only seems so brutal due to our utter fraility.   

Maybe you can extract the zip file of our message board and extract it onto a machine for browsing should you find yourself in that situation again. 

What I was about to write almost sounded comical.  I was going to write, "may you rest in peace" meaning "Holden, lay in the horizontal position and allow yourself to groan until peace comes and you can sleep and heal," but it sounded more like the RIP: "Rest In Peace" one sees on tombstones.

Whichever is your will, or the Will of the Puppet Master, I hope there is some peace to be found in there somewhere along the lines of a cat stretching in a sunbeam.
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2019, 12:13:03 pm »
Holden,

I am glad that you have been released from hospital. Clearly it was not a pleasant experience. It will take time for your body to heal so you will have to be patient with yourself and with your family environment.

Take care.

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2019, 10:32:14 pm »
Remember Karl's blog?  ( saynotolife.blogspot.com )

Well, it's been gone for awhile.  Believe it or not, I get tired of reading my own redundant proclamations, and so I will post links to writing I find gets across the kind of attitude I would like to nurture in myself.   I don't mind the F word at all, although I am not at all fond of N words or other words that just make the user look very ignorant.

So, here goes nothing:  I quit, Becasue Capitalism

Everything In Between  -  If your project so much as pretends to have a profit motive, I will tell you to go fu-ck yourself and your project.
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2020, 09:59:58 pm »
from Quora: Do you wish you had never been born?:

One of the most honest responses challenging the predicatable status quo life-praising responses (by shallow liars):

Quote from: Crystal Fullerton
No, I’m so glad I got to be born so that I can struggle to live. I love working and being chained to some job that I have to do or else. It’s like begging for money and it’s ever so much fun. I love not enjoying the things I used to enjoy and feeling sad. I love not being wanted because I don’t want to have kids subjecting them to the same fortune that I get to have. I can’t wait until I am completely alone after my parents pass on. I’m so glad I was born. This is great! In fact, when I was asked up in Heaven if I wanted to come be here, I took one look at this trainwreck and said heck yes! Sign me up!
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2020, 10:36:22 pm »
From The Book of Jade ( http://www.bookofjade.com/ )

They do not know that they are wholly dead,
Nor that their bodies are to the worm given o'er;
They pass beneath the sky forevermore;
With their dead flesh the earth is cumbered.

Each day they drink of wine and eat of bread,
And do the things that they have done before;
And yet their hearts are rotten to the core,
And from their eyes the light of life is fled.

Surely the sun is weary of their breath;
They have no ears, and they are dumb and blind;
Long time their bodies hunger for the grave.

How long, O God, shall these dead corpses rave?
When shall the earth be clean of humankind?
When shall the sky cease to behold this death?


~ David Park Barnitz ( orientalist scholar, David Park Barnitz (1878-1901), died at age 23 )
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NOTE:  When I was 18, I wished to study "Asian Studies" - which would have been training for what used to be called "Orientalism" [very outdated terminology, I've been informed].  My life took its course, and I was to receive a very different kind of education as I was flushed down the tubes, handed over to "Corrections" for corrections to my "behavior" -----

 I feel that reading Arthur Schopenhauer fulfilled this interest I had as a young man which had been thwarted by Fate.  (mwh)
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Come with us now, and explore the dark sacrament officiated by Park Barnitz…

…where the incense is the breath of a rotting w-h-o-r-e…
…where the altar is the breast of a dying woman…
…where the earth itself is one vast sepulchre…
…where even the stars rot and fall from space…
…where the resurrection and the life lead to corpses who lie raving in the ground, raped by lustful worms…
…and where God himself is nothing but"A filthy idiot" sitting and giggling in a pile of his own dung in the Void…

Come, peer into the dark vision of Park Barnitz, the last of the 1890's poets…

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