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Arithmetic is Drudgery
« on: August 08, 2016, 03:51:04 pm »
When Schopenhauer writes about expressing space-relations as time-relations he is describing the process of analytic geometry, where we solve geometric problems algebraically, and conversely, describe algebraic problems geometrically.

Is there a way to make this process less torturous?   No.  No silly cartoons or fancy computer generated animations will remove the drudgery from this tedious process.

Given a line segment represented by two points A = (x1, y1) and B = (x2, y2), and asked to give the vector in component form, we have no choice but to crack the whip to jolt the lazy intellect into action to perform the grunt work that is known as "arithmetic".

Algebraically, this is vector v = (x2 - x1)i + (y2 - y1)j

So, if A = (4, 3) and B = (-2, 1), we have vector v = (-2 - 4)i + (1 - 3)j = -6i - 2j

We can graph these to "see" the geometric representation of the vector.

Even as I totally understand the process, no matter how much insight I have, the arithmetic is still tedious.  This is the aspect of mathematics that Schopenhauer describes as torturous ... so one might wonder why I force myself to work through such annoying exercises.

why bother?

What is my objective?

Am I simply trying to train my own brain so that I can more easily perform these operations in three dimensions?   

The intellect is generally lazy.  I must force it to crawl before I ask it to walk.

This is our fate, to face the drudgery of arithmetic ...

No matter how advanced the mathematical concepts appear, if we are to express "space relations" as "time-relations", there is no getting around the drudgery of arithmetic.  Notice when we are most prone to errors when calculating a complicated integral ... somewhere in one of the sub-problems we add instead of subtract ...

Have I stumbled upon a truth that may not have been verbalized, that it is what is most simple that can be the most difficult precisely because we find it tedious and therefore drudgery?

We are impressed with what is complex and sophisticated ... but when we zoom in on the details inside something complex, there is no getting around the arithmetic in one-dimension.   Even when we are dealing with three dimensions, when we perform the calculations, we do so ONE DIMENSION at a time, not three!

We treat each dimension as a separate line in one dimension, the only dimension our brains can handle arithmetically.    We behold the three-dimensional figure in space, but when we must deal with its components, we divide and conquer in one dimension ... whether it is left and right, up and down, forward or backward, when performing the arithmetic we are dealing with just two directions at a time, positive direction and negative direction.

And so, what is the point I am trying to make this time?   :-\

Well, even though we joke around about "feeling retarded" or "brain dead", I think that, because we happen to be uncommonly honest, we might have exposed this rare perspective, that when performing arithmetic operations, especially when these are representatives of a geometric object, we may experience a certain degree of remorse upon witnessing the mental effort required when performing simple arithmetic.

The grand structures are made up of segments quantified by numbers, that is, arithmetic.

Maybe we experience psychological discomfort anxiety, or what I am going to call "egoic suffering" when confronted with the fundamental limitations of our all-too-human intellect ... which has grown as an appendage from the stomach to help it find food ... not to decipher the reason of being ...

So, the point I am making, I guess, is that we ought to exercise a great deal of patience with ourselves, and to not try to trick ourselves into enjoying a process we find tedious, but to use our utmost concentrative powers to perform the simplest and most fundamental operations.

Arithmetic is simple, but it is difficult.  Calculus is complex, but it seems easy ... Forgive me please if I am not explaining myself clearly.  Let's see ... It is the elementary arithmetic operations that are "difficult" because they feel so robotic, so boringly logical ... mechanical ...  >:(

What may be the most "enjoyable" aspect of studying mathematics, if anything about it can even be considered enjoyable, is that we are never wasting our time no matter what we are working on at the moment, since so much is interconnected.   Do we sometimes find satisfaction when we are thinking clearly and are able to find some kind of intellectual stimulation in a process that can at times be so very boring?

One way I sometimes am able to inject a little creativity into the exercise set is to implement the use of some notational device other than what the author of the text uses.  In other words, if the text describes components as x1, x2 ... y1, y2, I may use A and B with subscripts x and y.  Anything to break the monotony and redundancy!

Perhaps the reason why I force myself to go through exercises in each of the [math] subjects I have chosen to study is that I am constantly called upon to focus on the development of mathematical skills ... continually exercising skills in symbolic (algebraic) manipulation ...

How shall we measure our "progress" or "development"?  Maybe there is no way to measure this, to quantify the level of our maturity ... When I stop in the middle of a multivariable calculus book and put it back on the shelf with the physics textbook to go through a text on analytic geometry, can I really consider this as a regression or "step in the wrong direction"?

I want to develop a better feel for the territory again ... I want to take it slow ...

Hence, I will never want to be forced into employment since I want to re-educate myself from the ground up, basically.   I want to proceed with patience and shamelessly exert all the concentration I can muster to perform each little torturously stupid step.

No wonder many choose to put their work boots on and take some job so as to pay their rent. 

Imagine if hordes of youth decided that they don't want to take a job to "pay for college" but just want to study mathematics in a room somewhere.  Would the system collapse if more students chose this kind of learning over regimented schooling?  The Hikikomori Phenomenon?

 :o

[DANGEROUS TRUTH ALARM]

I don't know, there just seems to be a tremendous amount of momentum behind the systematic proliferation of dread.  What if the development of the very skills encouraged by "the system", if students were actually to take the time necessary to develop these skills, would produce subjects prone to becoming anti-social hikikomori who just want to lock themselves in a room to study?

I feel a tremendous spiritual connection with the youth who at this very moment may be grappling with this dilemma ...

"We did what was asked.  You told us to complete the exercises in these books, and god damn it, we're going to work through them for the rest of our lives hidden away in our cells.  Sorry, we will not be able to stock your product on the shelves or retrieve the items you ordered on Amazon.  We are for the most part disabled by our obsession with our studies."

Do you see the impossible dilemma the youth face?

They can either forget about studying and just take a redundant job so as to participate as a "productive member of society" or they might actually do as they are encouraged to do, which is to actually engage with texts, which takes all their time, in which case they will be accused of "just being students" and not living in the real world ...

As I said, I don't know.  The only reason I am writing these words has to do with some things that occurred to me while I was becoming ever so bored with the self-imposed "exercises" ... and I wondered just how many others might be out there grappling with the impossibility of being what they feel they are expected to be ...  Or even, in my case, when there is no longer any pressure to be anything at all, just facing the impossibility of being anything at all.

If you spend a great deal of time working through exercises in mathematics textbooks, you will need some kind of financial support in order to do so ...

This sick world is all about money, and some of the wealthiest and most powerful "owners" have not the temperament or mental capacity to become too engaged with the drudgery of arithmetic, unless it deals with the stock market, of course ...

So we appear to live in a hive where the intellect is systematically oppressed by the chains of biological necessity ...

I can see why monasteries existed ... It may have less to do with religions and more to do with having a sanctuary from the world where some might engage in the useless activity of contemplation.

Why is it that the youth are prone to join the military ... they don't know what the fuuck to do.  They want to be told what to do.  They want 3 square meals and a cot.  They don't want to get rounded up and processed into the prison system.

Maybe some even join because they want to study math ... Who knows?

Do the math ... 
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2016, 12:08:38 pm »
Maybe the remedy for the drudgery of arithmetic can be discovered in the ancient arts of meditation and contemplation.  I mean, I notice that mathematics is more painful when I am interrupted, whether by my own growling stomach or by someone else demanding my attention for some practical problem which usually involves moving matter from one place to another.

When I am undisturbed and not under any kind of pressure from within or without, the drudgery evaporates.   What happens during those moments if not detachment from the will?

The root of the pain of math must be psychological in nature.  We make it difficult in our demand for instantaneous results. 

I'm just thinking out loud trying to get to the bottom of what makes performing mathematical manipulations sometimes so "disagreeable" while other times it can be almost relaxing if not stimulating.
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2016, 03:14:24 pm »
There must be a way to make math more likeable.

I find it very depressing to think that there might be no way out.
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2016, 04:25:51 pm »
We could begin by eliminating exams and grades, testing our knowledge and understanding in more creative ways.

That is, of course, only a partial remedy.  This would not eliminate the unsatisfied feeling Schopenhauer pointed out.

The "failure" experienced by the suicided girl has more to do with societal pressures than mathematics itself. 

This gives me an idea of what my seemingly purposeless mathematical activity might be:  to discover how to make mathematics more likeable.

Unfortunately, if I do discover how to do this, it is highly unlikely anything I might say will have any influence on the way mathematics is presented to the youth.
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2016, 07:51:24 am »

 True,but there are those lost souls who dwell among the untrodden ways, half hidden from the eye,  who might stumble upon this message board,most of the youth is canaille ,to them this board shall remain unknown, and few of them would know when it would ceased to be;
But then there are those strange ones who will bump into you like myself, and oh,
the difference to me!
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2016, 01:09:00 pm »
I was able to hunt down an old Calculus text by Douglas F. Riddle (c.1984) - Calculus and Analytic Geometry.  I also hunted down the solution manual for $1.24.  It is listed wrong on Amazon (as A. Riddle with wrong title), but using ISBN, 978-0534045845,  I verified it was the correct solution manual  for the textbook, ISBN13:  978-0534014681. 

I received it.  Even though it is nearly 30 years old it looks as though it has never been used.  It is listed wrong all over the world (internet), but I can verify this is the correct solution manual to DF Riddle's Calculus AND Analytic Geometry, 4th edition, circa 1984!   :D

The text, on the other hand, is worn in ... discolored pages ... yellowish tint ... in a way, very beautiful to me.   It contains everything from analytic geometry through differential calculus, integral calculus, conic sections, parametric equations, polar coordinates, as well as infinite series, solid analytic geometry,  multiple integrals,  line and surface integrals ...

I have decided to go through these along with other texts in my own slow manner.   I've been going through the Hoffman text, and I stopped at Conic Sections to take a detour into analytical geometry and polar coordinates ...  I had hesitated in investing in a big fat calculus book, but I did some research and have a good feeling about Riddle's pre-graphing calculator, pre-CAS text.  In the solution manual, the sketches are by hand, which is very encouraging.

I have found that what might be most frustrating to the youth is when, in examples in texts, the author says, "and solving these equations, we get" --- but he does not show the details of the work involved!  I'm afraid Riddle is no exception, but I am filling in the gaps to my heart's content.

This is what I am using my notebooks for now. 

I also realized that, while it is a noble idea to wish to discover some ways to make this more accessible to the youth, the bottom line is that it is we who have been compelled to re-educate ourselves in a slow manner.  If anyone stumbles upon our attempts and becomes inspired to reject the fast pace of systematic schooling, then this is up to Fate, and really not in our control. 

All we can do is stubbornly insist that what we are up to, even though it has nothing to do with careers or productivity, is essentially very important to us.

I very well could have been one of these suicides at age 19, and again at age 33 ...

For whatever reason, my mental stability seems to be hinged on grabbing this bull by the horns.

While some may brag about not having to write things down, I intend to show all the work!

I am doing this primarily for myself.  It is an added blessing to involve you in this process.

Our lives would make for a boring novel and an even more boring film, but, as Schopenhauer said in the beginning of the World as Will and Representation, Volume Two:

"Why wilt thou withdraw from us all
And from our way of thinking?"  ----
I do not write for your pleasure,
You shall learn something.

an aside:

Do you remember when you were asking me what I thought about the long section in On the Will in Nature about magic and animal magnetism?    We wonder what Schopenhauer thought of ghosts ...

Well, a childish part of my psyche wants to believe that I have made some kind of contact with this "Douglas F. Riddle", author of "Analytic Geometry" (c.1996) and "Calculus and Analytic Geometry" (c.1984).

* Douglas F. Riddle died in 2010 at age 81.  This means he published the 1996 book when he was (81 - (2010 - 1996)) = 67, and the 1984 book when he was  (81 - (2010 - 1984)) = 55.  They are the most recent editions.

While going through one of the examples having to do with application of vectors in calculating forces, I found an error.  Not only does he not show the work in solving a system of equations, but his results are incorrect.  They do not satisfy the second equation.  I found the correct solutions and scribbled it into the margins of the textbook.  Of course, in my own notebook, I show the work to prove it to myself.  The thing is, most kids are just going to become confused and filled with doubt when something like this occurs. 

I told the ghost of DFR, "Shame on you Mr. Riddle!"

"Here I am putting my faith in you, sir, and now my faith is in jeopardy.  I will have to proceed with caution."   :-\

The ghost wasn't troubled too much by my discovery of the error ... but he should have been.  Such errors could be all that is necessary for a less determined student to call it quits.  So, please, Holden, do not put too much faith in anyone's calculations and computations, not even your own, especially not your own.  We have to check our work ... Whoever said that to err is human must have tinkered with mathematics (specifically arithmetic).

Sometimes when our error is from merely adding when we should have subtracted (for example, when the sine of an angle is negative but of we write the positive), we may be able to spot our error by considering a geometric representation.  The thing is, how much time and mental energy does anyone really want to spend checking their results?  I tend to gravitate towards working on exercises that I have solution manual for ... often I will only work on problems that have solutions available.  This probably has to do with the way I study - alone.  Still, if there is a conflict between my solution and the textbook's, I have the support of computer algebra systems like Sage and the TI-Nspire to check the results.


There is no way to race through any of this.  That may be one of the main causes of these suicides.  I really would prefer to jump into multivariable calculus (since I supposedly got an A in that class in the year 2000).  I want to dive into Physics and Computational Physics ... but this ghost (DFR) seems to be guiding me back to fundamentals to show me where the gaps are, what void needs my attention!

As long as there is a sense of rank and social hierarchy involved in various areas of mathematics, students will dread having to return to the fundamentals as they will interpret this as some kind of failure.

And yet wasn't Husserl interested in the Foundations of Arithmetic?

What I suggest is that you join me in this return to the fundamentals: algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus ... along with all the arithmetic involved ... and we do this in the spirit of re-education, showing as much of our work (to ourselves) as time will permit.

What will be different this time as opposed to when cramming for exams and anxious to land a job so as to purchase a used Volkswagen Jetta, is that we will have removed careers and usefulness from the equation.  We can keep track of just where we ourselves experience frustration, despair, and deep depression.  Do these moods strike us when we consider the enormity of the subject matter, and how long it takes to just peck away at one little problem in a big fat book?

We may not get to the bottom of this, but, in the process, we are allowing ourselves to return to the study of mathematics proving to ourselves, at least, that this "failure" that is causing the epidemic of suicides among students is purely imaginary, albeit reinforced by the authoritarian gorts in charge.


My message will be simple:  Take your time.  There is no such thing as failure when it comes to mathematics.  The math is not going anywhere.  Our societies impose these grids and time constraints.  They make fools of us all.  They want well-trained super-chimpanzees who can calculate rapidly. God forbid we should take years or decades to compute ...

We can forget all that nonsense and approach mathematics education, primarily our own education, keeping Schopenhauer's few comments on the subject in mind, especially as far as the disagreeable process of describing geometric problems algebraically and algebraic problems geometrically. 

Feel free to go in any direction you wish, and when you find yourself stupefied by a textbook, allow yourself to discover why you are stupefied.  It most likely is because the author of the text has skipped some steps, as in "solving these equations, we get" without taking you through the thought processes involved.   Take as long as you need to to eliminate the stupefication. 

The time constraints and the big rush to get nowhere fast is the root of the stupefication, not in your brain.   So we can take it slow ... and not allow ourselves to be overwhelmed with psychological despair ...

Maybe the most intelligent thing to do is to drop out of school and study at your own pace.

In the meantime, I don't think anyone can judge any of these kids who are ending their lives over this unless they are willing to go on this little intellectual adventure themselves ... We might even want to imagine Schopenhauer himself going through such textbooks.  Now, no one doubts that Schopenhauer had an exceptional intellectual capacity, but he was also extraordinarily honest.  It would be very interesting to know how he would go about solving the problems.  Surely, he would not be racing through them. 

Maybe nobody really knows how to teach  ... Didn't the Buddha say that "this can not be taught" ?

The best approach you can take might be to imagine how Schopenhauer would approach these mathematics problems.  Again, I hate to be so repetitive, but I can't see him try to calculate rapidly.  I imagine him observing his own thought processes in slow motion to make observations on how dreadfully torturous the process is!

Maybe we can only approach mathematics as individuals at our own pace, and that systematic mass-hypnosis is not the best way to go about educating ourselves.  So much has to do with moods and temperaments.  It can be delightful as long as nobody is standing over you filling you with dread.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2016, 09:30:36 pm »
Many people see the struggle (learning long, tedious, and error prone techniques) as a sign of a lack of ability rather than as an intrinsic part of the learning.

Do you think that the youth who are driven to suicide due to pressure from exams in these "coaching factories" would be able to elude the suicidal impulse if they were to drop out of society as rejects and refusenicks - and continue to study anyway outside the socially sanctioned institutions of learning?

Maybe we could suggest a secret order of mystics who reject the values of their productivity obsessed societies and go their own way to become "organic scholars" ...

There are ideas I am just beginning to give proper attention to ...

Why is there so much focus on "success" ... conquest ... security ... ?

Oh well, I guess I am just one of the more fortunate "losers" ... a reject who is benefiting from having been rejected.

You have suggested that all those years I wandered around aimlessly, moving from one town to the next, one apartment to the next, disturbing neighbors with my drunken behavior ... were not wasted years.   Could it be that there is a very specific environment suitable for becoming deeply engrossed and devoted to studies, and that, for all those years, since I was never able to really find this delicate mental space conducive to studying, I was drinking out of total frustration with my circumstances?



Maybe being able to study mathematics has more to do with luck and circumstance (and temperament) than it has to do with any kind of skill or mental capacity.

I am filling up sketchbook after sketchbook ... but I don't foresee any need to ever have to burn these.   I would not be afraid of anyone reading them, for they are strictly math diaries ...

And yet there seems to be something subversive about my mere existence.  What I mean to say is, no matter how much society may pay homage to mathematical skills, no matter how important it appears to be to those who map out the curriculum for math and science education throughout the Industrial World, I do not think my way of life would be applauded by any of them, even if they witnessed my development.

No, surely my way of loving mathematics would have to be condemned ... jobs, marriages, raising the next generation of "workers" and "soldiers" and "inmates" is what "grown ups" concern themselves with ... what good could come from a solitary pursuit of understanding?   
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The study of mathematics must be pessimistic in nature.When I open the book of math-if I assume that I will soon master the subject then am I not being optimistic? Math is usually associated with employability & thus with optimism.I have read American leaders' statement wherein they say the the student must opt for math & science to compete with the Indians & the Chinese. If that were the only thing math is good for ,then I would see no reason in studying math.Let the American kids read math while I study Schopenhauer.

But I will study math-never ever -to gain employability & always with a deeply pessimistic approach.I know that I would die with no better understanding of math than I began with but I am not looking to compete with the Chinese or the American kids-let them inherit the earth,I say to them- good luck with that.

Mathematics yes,but mathematics without  the gortish odour ,mathematics imbued with the spirit of philosophical pessimism.

By the way,I have had it with Schopenhauerian philosophy's critics,why can't they shut up,go to their homes to their wives & have another baby or give a lecture on Hegelianism or about the importance of math for the economy or how things are getting better and better everyday? The study of the World as Will & Representation should be verboten to everyone who has majored in philosophy.

All those years you were a wanderer made you the great man that you are.Imagine if you  had majored in math right after high school in Princeton, & then masters in math & then a doctorate & then you would have become a professor of math there yourself..you would never,ever have been at peace.
All the Ivy League professors put together don't possess the amount of wisdom that you do.
Why? Because your mathematics is imbued with pessimism & theirs stinks of the gort.

This is what I would like to say to Schopenhauer  & you: I have crossed oceans of time. ..to find you.


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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2016, 11:25:04 am »
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But I will study math-never ever -to gain employability & always with a deeply pessimistic approach.I know that I would die with no better understanding of math than I began with but I am not looking to compete with the Chinese or the American kids-let them inherit the earth,I say to them- good luck with that.

Mathematics yes,but mathematics without  the gortish odour ,mathematics imbued with the spirit of philosophical pessimism.

This must be the key to overcoming the "drudgery of arithmetic".  Schopenhauer, always honest to the extreme, has pointed out to us the nature of the difficulties having to do with translating dimensions of space-relations into numbers, which is one-dimensional.  Even though he did not write a great deal about mathematics, his honesty is valuable to me, for I can proceed with the utmost pessimism, and the drudgery will just be par for the course, not something that will ever be surmounted.   I think that what Schopenhauer was pointing out about the unsatisfying activity of performing algebraic and numeric calculations can be summed up by simply noting that the long, tedious, and error prone procedures are not a whole lot of fun, to say the least, hence the passion for computer algebra systems many present day "mathematicians" display.

And yet, considering the equally long, tedious, and error prone procedures involved with writing and compiling software, there really is no escape from the drudgery.  Such is the fate of us poor large brained primates with these weird thumbs that allow us to scribble and peck at keyboards.

We compute and calculate and reckon ... an excess of brain matter?  And yet some mental activities are just inherently unsatisfying.  There must be some kind of satisfaction in following the rules of arithmetic and algebra to represent geometric relationships ... I, for one, am totally obsessed with it.   ::)

I know that I would die with no better understanding of math than I began.

Likewise, I study with the awareness that I will have moments of clarity concerning specific problems, but that each problem I consider will require thinking with a Beginner's Mind.  And yet, surely we understand more of it than when we began!   Maybe we just can't appreciate how much more familiar we are with the ideas than we were when we first encountered them.

You had hit on something I hadn't considered, that optimism concerning "hoping to master mathematics" would imply living a never ending lie.   One would then have to avoid considering problems that would threaten the self image ...  :D

It is remarkable that we have been able to follow our conclusions to the end.  We are not afraid to face harsh facts.   The spirit of pessimism might enhance our engagement with mathematics as we will forever be wiping the sleep from our eyes as we begin to contemplate some specific problem we choose to explore or investigate.   We do not need to nurture bad faith, which is what the gorts are promoting with all the feel-good-about-yourself positive-thinking ... 

Granted, we will still experience the joy of gaining insight, but we fully expect to forget what we have learned as sure as the organ we call the brain will eventually deteriorate like so many tubes and wires failing from age and use.  We are aware from the start that we will forget everything, that we do not own the contents of our minds any more than the sky owns the wind.

In this spirit we might develop some mathematical skills and enjoy the process of becoming adept at algebraic manipulations and what not, but we will never be surprised to find such skills have atrophied from lack of use should we becoming "rusty" ... We will not be deluded.  We both suspect that the social status granted to those who have jumped through the hoops might lead to such delusions, as though a professorship could alter the innate drudgery of arithmetic or make the process of deciphering exotic notation "second nature".  Balderdash!

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By the way,I have had it with Schopenhauerian philosophy's critics,why can't they shut up,go to their homes to their wives & have another baby or give a lecture on Hegelianism or about the importance of math for the economy or how things are getting better and better everyday? The study of the World as Will & Representation should be verboten to everyone who has majored in philosophy.
   :D

When I had taken a philosophy class, back in 1998 I think it was, the professor told me that I had taught him about Schopenhauer.  I guess you are correct about the World as Will and Representation being the forbidden fruit for professional philosophers ...

By the way, I am very engrossed in Douglas F. Riddle's Analytic Geometry (circa 1996).   I am more than half way through the text and have found it very worthwhile.  It seems, during those years as a student, I must have been so intent on getting to "higher and more advanced topics" that I may have denied myself the benefits of a thorough investigation of analytic geometry, which appears to be such an important bridge in the chain of mathematical ideas. 

While my "long term goal" is to take another look at physics, I owe it to myself to go on whatever detours that tug at me ... I do not want be racing.   Save all that racing through to higher and higher levels for the gorts competing to inherit the earth.   It makes no sense whatsoever to feel pressured to "get to something by such and such a date".

I am just fortunate to have no psychological investments in portraying myself as one who is above studying such fundamental or elementary things.   To me, some of the stuff is bringing more clarity ... I am glad I took this detour.   I have remained teachable ... My pessimism was my guide, telling me that I know far less than I thought I did ...  And yet, there must be something that attracts me to mathematics.  Since I am under no obligation to study, and seeing that this is what I do from early morning until late into the night, I conclude that there must be something about it that stimulates me.  There is no practical purpose to my obsessive studying.  For all I know, I may have gone mad and just don't realize I am mad.    ;D

I think I enjoy any chance I get to use algebra.  Maybe that's why I am enjoying this text on Analytic Geometry ... all the algebra.


This a great insight you have articulated, Holden.   Proceed with the appropriate pessimistic care.


It is as though a strong dose of pessimism can actually help us come to terms with how little we can really become familiar with throughout a lifetime, how little we will retain, and then we may be more realistic in our approach.   Let the gorts compete for status, delude themselves with their bad faith and delusions of "mastery".

I will carefully look over my work knowing full well how error prone our calculations are.    Maybe my obsession with mathematics has more to do with developing patience.  It is essentially an experiment with doing time.  I am curious to see what the outcome would be were I to continue in this manner for a few solid years.  Will I witness some kind of transformation?  Why shouldn't I start over?  I mean, why should I simply be satisfied with the fact that I studied something in a university and be done with it?   Maybe some things have been lurking deep in my mind for many years now, and it is just an itch that has to be scratched.  There is a very good chance it is all part of some cruel joke.  That would only further deepen my pessimistic and tragic outlook on life.
 
I humbly submit, I want to understand more than I do.  So, I have started over ... as though I have all the time in the world, as though I have nothing better to do with my life ...  ;)

To be honest, I can't think of anything else I would rather be doing.  I am not even tempted to drink a bottle of booze while howling at the moon ... which was, for a long time, the best thing I could come up with.   Alas, this Steppenwolf is tired of being locked in a cage!   :-\



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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 10:53:46 pm »
Sympathy and Compassion for all!

I will no longer complain about the drudgery of arithmetic or the tediousness of mathematical calculations.   It is something I choose to engage in ...

I woke up in between a memory and a dream with no better understanding than when I began.  Alas, life had been a bad joke, and not the funny kind of joke, the kind of joke that leaves one feeling swindled. 

Maybe we just need to find ourselves ever so ridiculous and be glad for the little we have come to understand rather than bemoan all that we will never comprehend.
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2017, 06:33:01 pm »

   
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2017, 08:51:41 pm »
[Samyutta Nikaya LVI, 11]

The First Noble Truth with its three aspects is:

"There is suffering, dukkha. Dukkha should be understood. Dukkha has been understood."

Again, I must quote Holden, for these words help me put things into perspective.   

The following could be my mantra!

Quote from: Holden
The study of mathematics must be pessimistic in nature.

When I open the book of math - if I assume that I will soon master the subject then am I not being optimistic?

Math is usually associated with employability & thus with optimism.  I have read American leaders' statement wherein they say the the student must opt for math & science to compete with the Indians & the Chinese. If that were the only thing math is good for, then I would see no reason in studying math.  Let the American kids read math while I study Schopenhauer.

But I will study math - never ever - to gain employability & always with a deeply pessimistic approach.  I know that I would die with no better understanding of math than I began with but I am not looking to compete with the Chinese or the American kids - let them inherit the earth, I say to them - good luck with that.

Mathematics yes, but mathematics without  the gortish odour, mathematics imbued with the spirit of philosophical pessimism.

With a spirit of pessimism, I can study calculus and physics, and yet be satisfied if all I ever get from this is a little better with algebraic manipulations!  Eureka.   ;D

So, if we are to embrace this spirit of pessimism in studying mathematics, when anyone asks us why we are studying, say calculus and physics, we can humbly reply, "I like to have a reason to use algebra."

The only time I am ever motivated to work on a program, or even look at anyone's code, is if it is doing something "mathematical" in nature.   Hence, I have never been envious of "software engineers".   I am too satisfied with the small mathematical programs I run on the command line for my own personal use.  I do not care one iota what "the people" want on a mass scale.  Writing this, in a way, saying this out loud, is very liberating.  It almost makes me smile.

I only write programs for my own personal use, for my own personal education.

It's a little bit funny ... This attitude is a powerful antidote to the pressure to "sell your self".   It's disturbing to hear adults encourage the youth to sell themselves!

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An afterthought:  I want to add here that I have no intention of ever becoming a so-called "mathematician" or "physicist".   I am just very fascinated by this type of mathematics ... and I explore in a rigorous manner.   

I am sure there are other areas equally fascinating.   There seems to be something abnormal and "antisocial" about studying in this manner with no intention of applying any of this knowledge to some form of employment.   To me, it is the only way to go about it at this point.    Our global Industrial Society is obsessed with careers, industry, productivity. 

They might not ever accept that there are people out here like us who are interested in mathematics but not at all interested in being indoctrinated into their academic priesthood.

Maybe we're rebel monks.   
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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2017, 12:25:52 am »
You may like this link:

http://www.wtfprofessor.com/reverse-learning-technique/

As Cioran says works die,fragments not having lived cannot die either.Maybe we should study math in fragments.




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Re: Arithmetic is Drudgery
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2017, 02:14:11 am »
Hey there Holden,

Thanks for the link.  I checked it out and he seems to use the same method we do, as far as looking at the solutions to problems we find difficult as a way to "reverse learn".   I may take a look at his "crash course", but right now I am committed to my own "course" and it certainly is no 5 day crash course.   Whatever it is Schopenhauer refered to as "the Holy Ghost" seems determined to force me to not so much go back in time, but to rescue my 17 year old self from terrible psychological pain.  I think I can do it.  I am going to kind of time-travel and see if I can help that distressed being I was ... I know it sounds crazy.

I am sleepy.  I just just want to let you know I have decided to study the book that had me feeling so lost in 1984/85 in high school when I had the nervous breakdown.  I found it on Amazon.

Besides pecking away at physics and calculus, I am going to focus on that high school textbook as it was rigorous with "proofs" and just very unique.  It still does not come natural to me at all, even after having been through Comunity College (1994-1998) and the state university (1998-2002).

I figure that I now stand a chance of understanding it.  It was unlike any text I have ever encountered, using formal sets and proofs for everything.

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017GZQOQ?tag=viglink21277-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0395286972


 Like I said, I have never liked proofs, and maybe that year I had a mental collapse has something to do with it.

Maybe it's becasue I am turning 50.  I want to face my fears.  I have some unfinished business to attend to.   I think it is entirely psychological.  I am going to keep track of my notes for posterity, all in pencil, of course.

This is something very personal ... I'm trying to fill in the gaps.

I know it sounds crazy, but it is something I just feel compelled to do.   It may seem like I am making life harder than it has to be, but I just feel that the way the college and university went about things, making it easier, curving the grades in my favor,  in the long run, was not very good for my inner confidence.

It is ironic.   I would never try to explain this to my father as he would be like, "oh, he's studying high school math."

Even though my father doesn't like math at all, and probably didn't study algebra in high school, he still might underestimate what it is I am interested in, so I do not tell anyone what I have decided to do.  Hell, he never really inquires into what I am up to anyway.  I guess he figures I am full of shiit and that I just goof off all day ... Fuuck it.   It's not just my father who must find me a bit odd.   Most people would find my struggles are in vain.

Those who are obsessed with aquiring skills that will make them more employable wouldn't understand that I want to look at an old high school mathematics textbook now because it is a difficult book, and I think I stand a chance now for some personal redemption.   I am not as intimated as I was then.   Like I said, this is personal.   Maybe there is a horror story in this somewhere, where the protagonist is destroyed by an old math book that had first tried to kill him when he was 17.   He goes back to tackle it at age 50, somewhat more confident, but the book destroys him after all.   :D

I don't remember going over any of it ... why am I totally intimidated by mathematical proofs even to this day?   I love to apply algorithms and to calculate, to solve problems, but I hate any problems that ask me to "show this or prove that".

I'm going to grab the bull by the horns, and from looking over the textbook, I can see why I would have had a nervous breakdown at age 17.  Even now, at my age, after having studied more advanced mathematics, following the proofs does not come easy to me. 

It's humbling, but it's also a kind of defiant refusal to be impressed with professionals. 

I really want to understand.   These old books from the 60s-80s were from a time when they were trying to teach rigorous math.  They don't teach it like that anymore, at least not at the high school level.

Remember that person who said that the more we are able to face the feeling of "feeling stupid", the more math we will learn?  I never wanted to look at that book ever again because it made me feel stupid.  I prefered solving calculus problems that made me feel smart.   It is ironic that some of the "precalculus", if it is presented in a certain way, is taxing on the brain.

Oh well, just letting you know what I'm up to ... battling old dragons.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2017, 04:05:49 pm »
I find the notation used in Dolciani's Modern Introductory Analysis kind of elegant.  I understand it more intuitively now.  I guess going through these exercises is just a way to demystify it for me in my memory.  I just wasn't in the right frame of mind for it back then.   I am going to enjoy going through this text ... It is the first time since I have no recollection whatsoever of that year.   :-\

Some of the exercises, well, actually, nearly every single one of them, contain something aesthetically pleasing to me.  Now I am surprised I never thought to do this before.   I guess I always wanted to move along to something "more advanced", to figure that was behind me.  And yet I am really experiencing what can only be called a kind of delight in the notation.   

This is some kind of psychological operation I am involved in ... some sort of invisible surgery.

It took humility on my part to even think to engage in a project so personal.   I must have terrible memories of the anguish experienced that year, and maybe I somehow associate these subconsciously with formal proofs - hence the mental block!

There may be a method to my madness, a kind of orchestrated mathematically-oriented psychoanalysis where I reintroduce my mind to the formal set notation, and, working with meticulous care and attention, redeem myself in my own eyes.  I must have been psychologically devastated when I was 17 to find myself so utterly lost, confounded, and confused.   I went on a downward spiral.

Over the years,  I would look at the book (I had it up until 2009 when I left New Jersey and lost my entire library (minus the Schopenhauer and Cioran in my luggage)), but it seemed so obscure compared to the standard "Calculus" texts I had gotten into after attending the university.

For whatever reason, I am drawn to that old Dolciani text now.   With a vengeance.   
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