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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2021, 03:20:36 am »
You write beautifully. I hope someday I manage to think more like you. At present, I am focussing on mathematics and formal logic(I do not know why the latter is not taught in the schools).I remember reading  Veblen saying that the wives of the rich deliberately have excessively long nails and hair to send home the message that they cannot do any kind of practical work.

Many husbands take pride in the fact that their wives need not work. That she can be a socialite.Even if that would mean that the husband would have to work 85+ hours a week.

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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
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Praise for 'rational' geometry from EE Times
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2021, 03:23:25 pm »
From 2005, when Divine Proportions was first published:

‘Rational’ geometry simplifies EE toolbox staple:

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Portland, Ore. (2005)

– Engineers today model alternating current, magnetic flux and other quantities using trigonometric calculations that require the use of a computer, calculator or, at the least, lookup tables. Now mathematician Norman Wildberger proposes scrapping the angle representation in geometry in favor of a “rational” system.

By beginning with simpler definitions, all the familiar engineering calculations that currently require tables or a calculator can be done with simple arithmetic, argues Wildberger, whose “rational trigonometry” uses ratios of whole numbers in place of the sine, cosine and tangent functions.

“Many practical problems can be solved in an easier and more elegant fashion than classical trigonometry [affords],” said Wildberger, a professor at the University of New South Wales (Sydney, Australia) and author of Divine Proportions: Rational Trigonometry to Universal Geometry (see www.wildegg.com). “Tables or calculators are no longer necessary. It's a shame that it took until now, because accurate tables for many centuries were not widely available.”

Wildberger says his concepts of divine proportions, rational trigonometry and universal geometry will benefit EEs and anyone else whose work involves trigonometry. Starting with modern algebraic formulations of geometry in which points in a plane are represented by pairs of numbers, Wildberger's definitions of “quadrance” between points and “spread” between lines lead to simple polynomial expressions for basic geometric laws. He says the principles can be extended from Euclidean to non-Euclidean geometry, such as projective geometry or the hyperbolic geometry used in relativity theory.

Though Wildberger is a mathematician, he professes to “know how engineers think” because he counts several as immediate-family members. “My father, brother, sister and brother-in-law are all electrical engineers. Engineers don't want a lot of theory; they want to cut to the chase and get the job done. The usual formulation of trig is overly complicated, because it mixes the separate issues of measurements of triangles and circular motion. These are two different areas, and it is inappropriate to have to use the same system [for both].”

Wildberger's concept of divine proportions refers back to the work of Pythagoras circa 500 B.C. Pythagoras believed the universe was the result of a 'divine mind' that would express everything as a ratio of whole numbers. But the discovery of irrational numbers confounded that supposition. Dismayed at the discovery of square roots that were not rational numbers, Pythagoras and his followers believed they had failed to understand the true nature of the universe.

Wildberger now argues that Pythagoreans should have stuck with their original belief, “given up distance as a measurement and boldly concluded that the square of the length was more important than the lengths themselves.”

His approach drops the definition of distance, which requires the use of square roots, and instead uses the unit he calls quadrance, which compensates for irrational numbers by squaring all distances. Wildberger's second innovation is to define a degree of spread between two intersecting lines by using quadrances instead of angles. Combining quadrances and spreads, in place of distance and angles, yields rational trigonometry.

Had Pythagoras anticipated Wildberger's substitution, the ancient mathematician's famous theorem would have been written thus: The quadrance of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the quadrances of the two other sides. Pythagoras' familiar version-the square of the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares of the two other sides-requires the extraction of square roots to get the actual lengths of the sides. But by ditching distance for quadrance and angles for spreads, rational geometry allows just about anything related to trigonometry to be calculated with ratios of whole numbers, Wildberger argues.

“Quadrance is easier to work with than distance. Spread is more elementary than an angle,” he asserted.

To find the spread between two lines, just drop a line from a point on one line that is perpendicular to the other line. The spread is the ratio of the quadrance of the dropped side to the quadrance of the hypotenuse. Thus when lines are parallel, the spread is 0, because two sides of the triangle are 0; when lines are perpendicular, the spread is 1, because the dropped side and the hypotenuse of the triangle are equal.

Likewise, “45 degrees is a spread of 1/2, while 30 degrees and 60 degrees are spreads of 1/4 and 3/4, respectively. What could be simpler?” said Wildberger.

The upshot for “engineers, surveyors and scientists,” he said, is a set of tools that will “increase accuracy and reduce computation time for geometric problems. Now there are many more opportunities to effectively harness the power of modern mathematical software, such as Mathematica, Matlab, Maple, Magma and Mupad.”

The calculations in computer programs involving angles and distances will be simpler using rational trigonometry, since the formulas to perform the trigonometric functions will be arithmetic.

“Simpler is better, and this method is a lot simpler-not just by 10 or 20 percent but by a factor of two to five,” said Wildberger. “Some engineers today have forgotten their trigonometry. I hope this new system will provide them with a more natural and easy-to-use alternative, which will then stay in their minds longer.”

Classical or Euclidean geometry is taught today using axioms about distances and angles that can only be rigorously defined with calculus. But most people learn geometry and trigonometry before calculus, putting the cart before the horse.

“Divine proportions makes it clear why so many students are turned off by the mathematics of trigonometry,” Wildberger said. “The current curriculum attempts to arm you with machine guns to hunt rabbits. Rational trigonometry adds a metrical aspect with the notions of quadrance and spread but stays in the purely algebraic setting, thereby putting Euclidean geometry on a firmer foundation.”

Formulas simplified

Wildberger's formulation of geometry does not render sine, cosine and tangent obsolete, but it does make their use unnecessary except for problems that involve angular motion. “The essential roles of sine, cosine and tangent arise when considering angular motion around a circle,” he said, “but in rational trigonometry, points and lines are more fundamental than circles.”

He argues that rational geometry vastly simplifies many of the formulas EEs use. Even when calculus is used, if quadrance and spread are substituted for distance and angle, then the derivatives and integrals end up being much simpler, Wildberger says.

To demonstrate his point, Wildberger said Snell's law, which is used to determine everything from the direction of magnetic flux and current flow to the angle of reflection and refraction, can be applied with simple arithmetic. “The usual derivation of Snell's law uses the derivative of the square root function. But I give a derivation of Snell's law that shows that only derivatives of linear and quadratic functions are required, so it makes things more elementary.”

Wildberger said his book also offers “a fair number of integrals for flux, currents and other quantities that electrical engineers sometimes need to evaluate. The book also introduces rational alternatives to spherical and polar coordinates that I am sure will prove useful to all engineers in solving practical problems. I give a new form of spherical coordinates in two- and three-dimensional space with simpler, more intuitive terms. I also show how to use these for calculations of volumes and surface areas.”

Wildberger does not claim to have invented all these concepts, only to have codified them into a usable system. He gives historical credit to many others for the different aspects of rational trigonometry that have been used by various physicists to solve practical problems.

For instance, engineers already solve many trigonometric identities and integrals with various rational substitutions; linear algebra avoids angles by using dot products and cross products; and Einstein's theory of relativity makes use of quadratic intervals.
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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2021, 07:13:10 pm »
While rational trigonometry maybe be helpful for all mathematics students in general. I have been thinking and I believe I have found the reason why you, particularly,like it a lot .

Let me contrast rational trignometry, with what I call “classical trignometry”for the want of a better phrase.

In classical trigonometry in order to get to the numerical content of proofs,one must be very cautious at each step in order to avoid decisions that cannot be algorithmically made,but  rational trigonometry has already dealt with the computational content carefully and an algorithm can be easily extracted from its proofs.

As you always try to connect mathematics to programming ,it is right up your alley.And I think,you could, given enough time, translate proofs in rational trignometry into actual programming algorithms.

Not sure about Nash, but you certainly have a beautiful mind.
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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2021, 10:42:13 am »
While looking for some guidance with the exercises in Divine Proportions from Dr. Notowidigdo (a student/disciple of Dr. Wildberger), I noticed he is using Scientific Workplace.  You can still download it, but realize that, as of June 30th of this year, 2021, the software is no longer for sale with support.  You can use it for free at your own risk. 

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While rational trigonometry maybe be helpful for all mathematics students in general. I have been thinking and I believe I have found the reason why you, particularly,like it a lot .

Let me contrast rational trignometry, with what I call “classical trignometry”for the want of a better phrase.

In classical trigonometry in order to get to the numerical content of proofs,one must be very cautious at each step in order to avoid decisions that cannot be algorithmically made,but  rational trigonometry has already dealt with the computational content carefully and an algorithm can be easily extracted from its proofs.

As you always try to connect mathematics to programming, it is right up your alley.And I think,you could, given enough time, translate proofs in rational trignometry into actual programming algorithms.

Not sure about Nash, but you certainly have a beautiful mind.

It would be great to have both a beautiful mind and a brave heart.



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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2021, 01:47:28 pm »
I think it was Quine who said second order logic is simply set theory in sheep's clothing. I tend to agree.
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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2021, 07:37:27 am »
I have been able to make it through the four chapters of the PRELIMINARIES in Divine Proportions, and am now into Part II : Rational trigonometry, starting with chapter 5: Quadrance.

Most of my frustrations stem from the technicalities of algebraic manipulations.  I may be forced to use computer algebra systems throughout the process just to keep my work "honest" - that is, to use the tools at hand in order to stay calm and not overwhelmed.  I want to grab the bull by the horns.

In the meantime, I am reflecting on small bits of Metzinger, as far as "being no one" goes.

We are such fragile monsters, Prince Holden.  I witness my mother's growing confusion, and I am also often paralyzed by our predicament, but I sense that these "abstract interests" will be the spiritual force which sustains me throughout this fascinating yet distressing existence.

Working through the sections of Divine Proportions, jotting down the proofs, working out the algebra when I am up to it and "in the mood" - all these little activities jump start the brain, giving it just enough to be interested in to force me to humbly endure the discomforts of creaturely existence for the sheer DELIGHT in comprehending the Lebenswelt in a new way.

I have to confess that I am often gripped in slight panic attacks when I find myself disoriented and perplexed while studying a diagram.  I am tempted to feel like a fraud or engaged in an activity I may not be qualified for.  And yet I fight this, Holden.   I fight it because I have been a witness to my own life experiences, the mental experiences, the intimate explorations of abstract realms.

you and Raul mention mysticism in a different thread.  Is there not some quality in a simple computer program that seems awfully similar to a magic spell?   Think of formulas consisting of algebraic variables.  Wildberger uses the three horizontal bars when defining points, lines, quadrance, etc.   I like the feel of this with a 2B pencil.

I am just beginning to get a feel for his notation.   If I can get through the agony of tooth decay and survive the psychological challenges of co-existing with aging mother (who is becoming terrified of her existential predicament), then I may continue to peck away.

In the meantime, we also must collect groceries and pay bills.  My mother drives me crazy with all the manufactured drama over family gatherings.  There are babies being born, back-stabbing conspiracies over the sniffles and common colds.

Some mornings I have to do all I can not to primal scream.

The math motivates me to resist urges to imbibe alcohol, but The Mother's constant demand for 24/7 psychoanalysis will drive this old Steppenwolf to drink - and then it would take God-Knows how long to get back to where "my mental state" is now.   :-[
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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2021, 11:53:17 pm »
I am glad you have restarted your mathematical studies.I hope you and your mother manage to find some common ground.
I have been studying mathematics too fairly consistently. Maybe my brain has begun to get the hang of it,sort of.

It must be quite cold there so I hope you stay warm as much as possible.Winter often induces dark thoughts in me. Thankfully, where I am at present, winter is hardly noticeable so I am not forced to wrestle with the winter blues.
Apart from my mathematical studies ,which in one way is not quite advanced ,and yet ,for me, is most interesting, I have been studying about things like the idea of canonical proof and the distinction between the notions of truth and of assertibility.

While superficially Schopenhauer display disregard towards both mathematics and women, I believe, there is a there is more to Schopenhauer’s thought than just that.
I keep try to look at mathematics from his eyes and find it incredibly interesting. The first part of his book ,as you know quite well, is highly analytical.

For instance, I have been thinking about whether the truth of mathematical statement implies possession of a canonical proof of it but its assertion could be based on just demonstration.I have also  been thinking about the signs of disjunction and the existential quantifier a great deal.

How exactly the explanations of universal quantification, implication and negation manage to escape circularity.

I think,if  I could have met Schopenhauer and talked to him about these things, he would have found them quite interesting.
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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2021, 09:07:21 am »
Unfortunately, just this morning I notice that most of the solutions to any of the exercises worked through by Dr. Gennady Arshad Notowidigdo have been removed.   These were just removed sometime during the night.   I hope it is not due to health issues. I am a little disappointed that Dr. Wildberger and some of his students have not come up with some solution manual for the exercises in Divine Proportions.  It was published in 2005, and we are at 2022.

I will stubbornly persist out of sheer curiosity, but I will not be solving the exercises my first time through the text with no support whatsoever.  Sometime in the future, if I maintain interest in the subject, I will simply have to take up separate notebooks to actually attempt solutions.

The section covering Chapter 6: Spread has videos removed by uploader, whereas, by the time one gets to Chapter 7: Triple spread formula, you get the full OOPS!! Page not even found.

It is just mind-boggling how there has been such little engagement with this text, Divine Proportions, by the mathematical community. 

To be blunt, I have to admit I am piSSed oFF about the lack of support and engagement, but I will just continue along all by my lonesome, not knowing if I am fully grasping everything ...

I am very used to studying things others find useless.   

This is a set-back.   Now I will feel totally isolated.  The mathematicians have their own elite community, and I suppose this is just a simple case of Totschweigentaktik (Death by Silence).

There is no need to persecute the honest man who draws attention to the truth.  It is enough for the upholders of the status-quo to simply ignore what they want to silence.

It looks like we are on our own:  some related videos.
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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2021, 12:55:49 pm »
Bad news regarding what Dr. Gennady Notowidigdo thinks of Wildberger's presentation in Divine Proportions.

I am going back to the drawing board, maybe returning to Stepanov's "From Mathematics to Generic Programming" or even Knuth's "Concrete Mathematics" ...

I must be experiencing yet another identity crisis.

A couple excerpts from the email to me (in response to my inquiries as to whether solutions will ever be re-uploaded) will elucidate:

Unfortunately, I do not come to bear you any good news; I have zero intention to ever re-upload or produce any solutions to the Divine Proportions book at any point in the future, nor am I able to provide you any meaningful support in terms of working through the book. However, what I will write below is probably the only way for me to give you any support and guidance regarding your interest in mathematics.

My heart kind of sunk when I read the next paragraph:

As someone like yourself who does not seem to have completed any formal undergraduate mathematics education (by this, I mean at a level sufficient to that of a math major), it is very easy for one to be seduced by what Wildberger is presenting word for word; most in the mathematical community, including myself, do not take Wildberger's work seriously anymore (if ever!) not necessarily because of his unconventional views but mainly because he intentionally leaves so many things out of his discussions in order for him to convince others of his ideas.

OUCH.

He suggests I focus attention on real and complex analysis, topology, number theory, abstract & linear algebra, (differential) geometry and ordinary/partial differential equations (probability theory and statistics is an added bonus, but not a must)

Hmmmm .... maybe a blending of continuous and discrete mathematics ... I guess he is unaware that much of this I have gone over and over again, already - and yet, to be honest, I have not given a formal "abstact algebra" text disciplined attention.  I figured I was getting that from the Dolciani [so-called "new math" MODERN=ABSTRACT Analysis] series.   All those textbooks were packed with references to such things as fields, groups, and rings.   ::)

Needless to say, there are some gaps in my "education" that I may have to fill just to be in a position to explore and critique rational trigonometry.   I still defer to Wildberger as he is clearly an original thinker.

I am at a crossroads.  I had wanted so badly to intensify my enthusiasm for some specific area of mathematics, and I thought Divine Proportions was the answer for me; but without any support, it seems unlikely that I would be able to maintain any enthusiasm as it is too easy to become discouraged, too easy to ask, "Why bother?"
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Re: A Re-orientation of Your Mindset
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2021, 10:22:48 am »
I wanted to reserve this thread for Wildberger's Divine Proportions: Rational Trigonometry to a Universal Geometry.

I have not lost interest in Wildberger's unconventional views, but I am not well-versed enough in the mathematics to be in a position to support or reject his presentations.   It's just a brute fact that there are these limits, not simply on our mental capacity, but our circumstances as individuals - and our lives can turn upside down at any moment.

So much for "plans".   :P

God willin' and the crick don't rise, I will be over in the Programming as Mathematics thread which I started in 2015.  Approaching 2022, page 3 of that thread begins with this post:   The Foundations of Abstract Reasoning.
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« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2021, 12:34:43 pm »
Latin:
   
Vīta brevis,
ars longa,
occāsiō praeceps,
experīmentum perīculōsum,
iūdicium difficile.


English:
Life is short,
and art long,
opportunity fleeting,
experimentations perilous,
and judgment difficult.

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