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gveranon

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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2018, 11:24:09 pm »
Thanks Silenus. I didn't know about the hermit Nagasaki. I could never do what he did, but I do admire him for it. Yes, removing him from the island does seem unfortunate and unnecessary. I fear that many people wouldn't even be able to understand his desire to die on the island. And what a fate for such a solitary man to end up confined in a "government house" with medical personnel no doubt having their way with him.

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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2018, 07:48:54 am »
Mr.Gveranon,welcome! You said philosophy interests you-would you be kind enough to tell us what kind of philosophy ( and philosophers)?

Herr Hauser & Senor Raul,

What I try to do is not to understand the meaning of words but the nature of things.Infirmity in checking the emotions is bondage.The idea is to look at passions and perturbations not as vices but as properties ,as is storm to the nature of atmosphere.
We have only confused and fragmentary knowledge of ourselves,of our own bodies and of outside bodies.There is no personal immortality.

Senor Raul,you stay in the hospital-you see at pregnant nurses and doctors. You also listen to the cries of the patients on their death beds-just the way the things are supposed to be. That is how existence has always been. The mental acts always have a correlate in physical states ,then when the physical states turn to dust ,so,too,does the mind. In other words,inasmuch as the mind is the idea of the body,then when a particular body ceases to exist ,so,too does its mind.

Senor Raul, you might have seen naked pregnant models on magazine covers. The bugling womb is a matter of pride and joy for them. Why? Because it is life affirming.Herr Hauser mentioned that his cousin is with some sort of police force & that he has got a lot of kids-what happens is this-when people look at his cousins and his kids-his kids who might have ruddy cheeks and maybe in the first flush of youth-all very life affirming things. His cousin might be cutting a rather dashing figure in his official uniform-again very life affirming.
People instinctively like these things.My own first cousin is a doctor & she has two kids of about five(twins).Both of them are extremely fair for this country & can easily pass for a Greek (though I ,like Herr Hauser ,am very shy as regards photographs or having an kind of on-line profile,I did have a linked in profile once-I deleted it long back,but if it interests you-I guess I could describe my complexion as being pretty close to your own).

Anyway,my nephews are very chubby & great to look at -so obviously they get lots of gifts and lots of attention. I was never a good looking kid-always kind of sad looking.Anyway, in the pro-life rallies they put pictures of dead foetuses on the placard-that is for a reason.Because such pictures do not look very life affirming.It is instinctive.

It is only when one attains the philosophical perspective that one can ,to a degree, dilute such instincts.People certainly won't enjoy looking at my ascetic body and my thinning hair(yes, my hair is thinning,I not bald-but people suggest me to get some kind of medical treatment or else women will find me repulsive,well,first of all I think they already find me repulsive & I am not so vain as to spend a single penny on my hair-I say,good riddance.).


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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2018, 09:31:49 am »
Hentrich,

Once again thank you for your words. I also thank Holden for his words.

Indeed, you, Holden, and many others have spared unnecessary suffering in this chamber of torture called Earth.

Jobs,marriage, children all go together. Pleasure in sex and reproduction is a brutal combination. Two nights ago one of the patient´s daughter told us she deeply repented having married his husband. They are going to get a divorce after 27 years. She said that in front of his son. She did not realize that the real victims are her son and daughter, not she and her husband. She said that probably her husband has another woman. I stay silent. I had to be socially correct. After all her 86-old  father was taken to another ward because his antibiotics are much stronger and he needs special care. She asked me to pray for his father.

She said she knew I did not believe in God but she needed the prayers anyway. I just said yes but I cannot bring myself to do that. I am too tired.

But at the same time that night his son was in a hurry to watch the soccer game between the most popular soccer clubs here. He is very young and he does not deserve to go through all this madness. But he and his sister are in this prison. A good prisoner wants to escape from prison and not remain in it.

We are just here to be exploited to the fullest. If people in general think that that is allright, well, what can I say? Let us keep the comedy going until everything explodes. At the end people will swallow each other as our ancestors have been doing it for centuries, for millennia. But it will be much,much worse.

Earth has five continents. Has mankind in general ever considered some projects? I mean, is there any limit to our ability to destroy? Is it allright just to keep reproducing breadwinners who in the future will have no bread to win? Is it allright, as it is happening now here, to keep building huge buildings like behives? No, forests, no woods, no trees. Is that what most want? Allright then.  Yes, this is the cycle of life.

Take a siesta.

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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2018, 11:10:05 am »
Holden,
Once again thank you for your words. Yes, I have seen pregnant models and also pregnant ladies in the newspapers who are shown as role models for the youth, ie. the future female puppets in this slaughterhouse. Life affirming, as you say.

Yes, for females sucking the gadget for pissing is pleasant and the males inserting the member into the hole that expels the excrement is also pleasant.  Very life affirming.

When I was a teenager, I wanted to wear military uniforms very much. I saw the military parades. In the secondary school we wore uniforms, that is to say, white shirt and blue pants and stand in line and sing the national anthem. Now I see all that in a very bitter manner. All part of the brainwashing and indoctrination. Good citizens and good snitches.

Hentrich´s cousin reminds me of a police case here in 2009. A high ranking police officer betrayed his partners, some drug dealers. The result was that they took revenge on the family. They set the house on fire and so his wife and his two daughters died burned there. Betrayal between thugs is paid in blood.

You say you look physically repulsive. I once heard someone say that here many women like bald men because the shape of the head resembles the shape of the genitals. Your thinning hair and ascetic body might look very appealing to the ladies.  I am repulsive too. I had spots in my face. I inherited that skin problem. I don´t look for medical treatment.

It does not matter how you look physically, you are on the right path. There is only one Holden and he is in Northern India. Your DNA is unique. Hentrich´s DNA is unique.

Stay safe.


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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2018, 02:25:50 pm »
Holden, thanks for the welcome. I tend to be both skeptical and curious, so my interests in philosophy have been eclectic. ("Eclectic" sounds better than "scattered.") I just feel my way forward with these things, and often I can't see the forest for the trees. Some of the philosophers I've gone back to again and again over the years (probably for various reasons) include

Schopenhauer
Cioran
Nietzsche
​Santayana
Wittgenstein
Graham Harman ("object-oriented philosophy")
Colin McGinn

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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2018, 05:58:13 am »
Senor Raul,

Thank you for your response.I find that Nature is directly intelligible to the intellect.The tears that I cry is not caused by "Evil". There is no "evil" per se. Nature is all there is.What I write is  ,for the bien pensant,horrible heresies .Experience has taught me that everything is futile.But my plight, like other things, has its causes & has developed over a period of time.Tears are but one entity in infinite nature,determined by other entities in a never-ending series,but always according to the eternal laws,only partly known to us.
Everything is caused by something else-this principle is valid for human behaviour ,that is, for motions of humans bodies,which must be considered as effects of other motions,inside or (mainly) outside those bodies.It is very easy to be misunderstood and misinterpreted even when I aim for a very clear presentation of my thoughts.

I try very hard not to be depressed and hate the world I find myself in but to comprehend it as much as I can.Why am I an odd man? Things are constituted as individuals by the pressure of the surrounding particles.I have very few contacts with my relatives-many of my friends are daily being persecuted by their wife, kids and bosses(the unholy trinity). This idea of yours Señor Raul, that job,marriage and kids go together is brilliant. All the three pillars of human bondage must be decimated.I try to develop clear ideas-but I remain a human being,like everyone else,with fears and hopes,liable to passions,caught by imaginations of all kinds.Clear insight into the eternal laws of nature and reasoning have not dispelled from my mind the illusions,although they have helped me to acquiesce in the unavoidable processes  and defeats of human life.

My body existed before my birth in the sense that its constituent atoms existed in 1200 AD although they did not then make up a human body.

Keep well.Hope your father is better now.
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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2018, 07:56:44 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your words. I also thank you for sharing your horrible heresies. You are a heretic like Hentrich and others. Heretics end up being burned at a stake or in front of a firing squad. Of course now things are a little different. You are harassed, socially attacked, mocked or viewed as a madman. But you have written all this before.

I also try to avoid depression and loath this prison farm. Many in different ways told me this Bible words “If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat”, or “work gives you health” in Spanish. I just remain silent. What can I say? If millions of men and women think that work dignifies one in this slaughterhouse, well, let the show in blood continue. 

Most men and women will not see themselves as programmed beings. They strongly reject this view. We are just sad monkeys with a powerful software called brain.  They will not understand that human beings are programmed to reproduce and in order to reproduce efficiently, the marriage is a tool to do that.

From time to time I see young men and women believe that their offspring will change this world. Something their ancestors never did.

We are slaves and nothing will change that. Our hands and feet are tied and our mouths are shut. From time to time I watch the advertisements. Yes, these TV managers sell us chemicals in order to make us forget our miserable condition. 
I thank you for being an odd man. I will write soon.

Take care.

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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2018, 07:57:57 am »
Senor Raul,

I want to reach a state of mind wherein when my heart is stabbed with a dagger-I could understand the force of the stabbing & its cause with as much tranquility & clear mindedness as I understand a mathematical problem.

Keep well.
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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2018, 11:37:52 pm »
https://youtu.be/FVSwxOH2OVc?t=80

"The statistical truth of the world as it is is that the more intelligent somebody is, the less likely they are to have kids."

("You Should Be Bothered")

 :-\

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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2018, 08:05:07 am »
Holden,

As I understand what you wrote, you want to reach a deep detachment from everything. I hope you can reach that state of mind. We are wicked, disgusting, vile and yet at the same fragile, weak creatures, made of flesh and bones.

The trap is perfect. From the womb to the tomb suffering is man´s best friend. Our bodies and minds are the perfect prison within another prison called Earth.

I sometimes think about what you wrote about starving. How can one attain self-extinction silently? Here money is the big issue. Few can get firearms, too expensive, so hanging, jumping from a building, even driving at full speed, alcohol, etc, are much used here. You mentioned the IRA member, Bobby Sands, had strong l. I am afraid I am not very brave.

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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2018, 08:07:18 am »
To Senor Raul,

Thank you for your response. I think that each individual endeavours necessarily to achieve his own advantage & because individuals are finite beings who must maintain life in order to pursue even philosophy/mathematics,they maybe in competition for limited resources.Hence,their interests can diverge.When such divergence occurs ,a common cooperative course of conduct on which all can rationally agree is impossible.One may then be forced to choose between achieving one's own advantage at the expense of others ,and aiding others through sacrificing oneself.

What to do? One must look for the ideal of "internal freedom" found in reconciling oneself to the necessities of nature.


I meditate on my corpse  being torn apart and gnawed by pack of feral dogs.

Keep well.
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2018, 04:41:52 pm »
Holden,

Your words “I meditate on my corpse being torn apart and gnawed by pack of feral dogs” makes me think. I do not know how I will end up. But I know I will be the breakfast for the worms. That is the destination of this container made of flesh and bones. Our brain has been designed for a certain purpose and with some technical features to do perform some tasks.

Regarding women, I remember a movie named "Gigolo" with actor Richard Gere. I think that in the future, nothing new really, men will become what women were in the past.  The males will become the homemakers, going to the market for some shopping, prepare the meals, do the laundry, give the babies the baby bottle, clean the carpets, do the dishes, make coffee, and when the females comes after work and bring the money, well, the male will perform his “task” in the bedroom, so to speak.

The males will make the males female happy after coming from work. Males will end up being the females of the past. Nothing new, as I write.

The females never get tired and feel very happy in this world, so let them work and the males will do the house work and give the females some joy at night. They like this world so much, well,let them go and do the work. After all, in my view, what will happen to the millions of unemployed males in the years ahead? Become the future gigolos in the next decades, I suppose.

Take care.

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A response to the question, "Why do we have the obligation to be happy?"

Quote from: Ian Svintsitskii
Think about this way: this world is incredibly horrifying. Thousands of factors define your well-being in one way or another - from solar flairs and global politics to obscure biochemical processes in your own body, and they all can go WRONG and you HAVE NO CONTROL or even ADEQUATE UNDERSTANDING of any of those things. And also, you will die, no matter what you do. Propably in a slow and painful way we call “aging”, gradually withering away, or because some of those obscure biochemical processes gone a bit wrong, or because some bigwigs decided to start a war again, or because X, or because Y. Your friends will die, your loved ones will die, you children will die, and whatever symbolic immortality project you have constructed for yourself during your lifetime will be erased by time too. Pain and misery and oblivion await behind every corner, and we do not even know where the corners are, for the most part. So we are entirely powerless against it. What can we do in this situation? The only thing that is left for us is to pretend. Pretend to be HAPPY. Pretend that there is something in this life that outweighs the cosmic horror of human condition and makes this macabre joke of an existence bearable. As all self-lies, this one is fragile, so it demand that EVERYONE in the vicinity believes it, otherwise it becomes less and less convincing. That is why you are OBLIGED to be happy, because if you openly aren’t, it becomes even harder for the rest of us to not notice the horror of our condition.

Another related article:  Myth: We can choose to be happy.

I think it is very healthy for us to acknowledge what a difficult predicament we have been thrown into in being born.  While we may devise certain rituals for getting through the day (or night), we have to brace ourselves for those days and moments, those particular moods, where we just can't shake the blues.  We may simply be in some kind of "funk."

It would be interesting to put together a list of terms used to describe such moods.  Is it depression, despair, sadness, boredom, or just the innate emptiness of existence that makes itself apparent?

All I can say right now is that I cannot expect "studying math as a way to get through the days of my life" to work all the time.   I'm not always going to be in the mood to spend the entire day in this manner.   There are going to be days when I just have to clench my fists, pace, and possibly moan and groan and let out heavy sighs.
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Re: Companions in Misery
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2020, 07:56:43 pm »
Life is a sky-dive:  out of a c-u-n-t, into the grave.   ~ Faina Ranevskaya
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Companions in Misery
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2023, 02:51:36 pm »
Hentrich,l

Thank you for the threads. However my computer is not working properly so I cannot test them now.

Stay safe.