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Transcendental idealism vs Empirical realism
« on: January 10, 2016, 10:01:15 am »
Would you define yourself as a Transcendental idealist ?
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2021, 11:07:41 am »
It has been quite some time since this question was put forward by Holden.   I have resisted the compulsion to simply agree with Schopenhauer, and I had done some research to discover what my own deep thinking Animal Being REALLY thought.

Look, I am still searching:  I found Schopenhauer's Deconstruction of German Idealism as well as the dissertation, Schopenhauer and Kant's Transcendental Idealism.

I can list some threads showing this trail.  This may even help me "return upon myself," thereby helping me to disentangle myself from the dramatic confusions that have been draining my mental powers.

I, myself, wish to go over several threads before coming to any permanent decisions about my position.  You will see that this old (former) student has remained UNDECIDED and is quite content to rest in confusion.   

We have the following:

1.  Existential Phenomenology

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I think John Wild's work is worth investigating even though he totally ignores Schopenhauer (as though Schopenhauer had never existed).  I am sure this is because Wild was opposed to "idealism" and wanted to embark upon what might be called a radically empirical approach to a phenomenology of existence.  He seems to have wanted to take a different route than Husserl's Transcendental Phenomenology.

What I like about Wild is his animosity toward Analytical Philosophy, the kind which seems to think it is the only game in town in Anglo-American academia.  I also think he is worthy of our attention since he saw American and English academic philosophy as being bankrupt because of the focus on analytic philosophy and not enough attention paid to existentialism and incorporating phenomenological methods into the day to day existence of the living in the life-world, or Lebenswelt.

2. The Nightwatches of Bonaventura

3. Transcendental Speculation on Apparent Design in the Fate of the Individual

4. The Books of Nonsense :: Specialists in Perplexity

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Even though Ligotti has many praises for Schopenhauer, acknowledging that his two-volumed (1819 and 1844) The World as Will and Representation lays out “one of the most absorbingly intricate metaphysical systems ever contrived,” he does seem to warn us that ” … a quasi-mystical elaboration of a ‘Will-to-live’ as the hypostasis of reality, a mindless and uniting master of all being, a directionless force that makes everything do what it does …” proves to be nothing more than another intellectual labyrinth for specialists in perplexity.

Zapffe’s principles, by contrast, are non-technical, shunning theories and focusing more on the brute facts of our LIVED EXPERIENCE. Emile Cioran also rejects the compulsion to systematize thought, choosing, instead, to break thought down to what can be whispered into the ear of a dying man, or spoken loudly to a drunkard.

This is the direction I seem to be moving in:  anti-novel, anti-system ----> Brute Fact

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A brute fact is a fact that has no explanation.  More narrowly, brute facts may instead be defined as those facts which cannot be explained (as opposed to simply having no explanation).   To reject the existence of brute facts is to think that everything can be explained. ("Everything can be explained" is sometimes called the principle of sufficient reason).

I would be rejecting the Principle of Sufficient Reason, and thereby joining the ranks of those who I criticized for not remaining loyal to the great teacher of mankind from Berlin.  I would continue to stand in awe of Schopenhauer's system and its likeness in spirit to the Upanishads, but in my heart of hearts I would disintegrate into pure lived experience, transforming from a student of mathematics into a philosophical madman poet.  Maybe rational trigonometry would ground me.

Once Schopenhauer had drafted his mythology that “everything in the universe is energized by a Will-to-live,” he shifted away from brain-twisting perplexity to the far more easily understood variety of pessimism we encounter today, i.e., “Life sucks.”
What is the ultimate aim of all this striving? I’m hungry so I eat, yes, that is why I eat, because I am hungry, but what is the ultimate aim? Existence is a state of demonic mania, with the WILL-TO-LIVE as the POSSESSING SPIRIT of tormented individual creatures.
(Ligotti 2011)

5.  horror - Collapse IV: Philosophical R&D   (a little off the wall)

6.  The Cave is Empty :: Philosophy, Madness, and Horror

I think that Schopenhauer himself may have become less systematic, less rigid, with his popular essays, where he sounds like the Grandfather of phenomenology, Great Grandfather of existentialism itself.  From Parerga and Paralipomena:

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To have original, extraordinary, perhaps even immortal ideas, one need only isolate oneself from the world for a few minutes so completely that the most commonplace happenings appear to be new and unfamiliar, and in this way reveal their true essence.



In a thread about the possible existence or Idea of a Creator God, I had stated, "I do not agree that it is unfortunate that this is a tiny forum.  Less is more, as far as I'm concerned.  Whenever I browse ligotti.net, there is just too much.  I lose interest quickly.  I am no longer interested in huge philosophical discussions or competitive arguments."

Presently, I might say that I would rather learn rational trigonometry to see if there is a better way to teach high school mathematics than debate about Schopenhauer's Transcendental Idealism.  (I don't like bickering.)

With that said, here we go again!
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 08:08:30 am »
Rather than pull quotes from the long "essay" type post, The Philosopher is the Perpetual Beginner, I will just link to Holden's A Conspiracy Theory thread - and one quote:

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Consciousness flows. Consciousness is not me, but I am of consciousness. I am a species of consciousness. Husserl can’t transcend the ‘unknown forces of Nature” without invoking specific “magical” terminology such as the phenomenological act of reduction (epoche, bracketing off, suspending judgment). “Magic” is a simple direct way of escaping the narrowness of everydayness. Instead of turning to the great thinkers, the student of the occult turns immediately inward and tries to reach down to his subliminal depths, into the cognitive unconscious itself, what Husserl imagined to be a “pure consciousness,” a primordial pre-scientific awareness, the ground of non-conceptual, “spiritual” knowledge. I think the chief thing is to establish a link between the conscious and subconscious mind.

“There is indeed the inexpressible. This shows itself; it is the mystical.” (Wittgenstein)

According to Western neuroscience, consciousness is a product of the physiological processes in the brain, and thus critically dependent on the body. We have absolutely no proof that consciousness is actually produced by the brain. We do not have even a remote notion how something like consciousness could possibly happen. That consciousness is a brain process remains one of the leading myths of Western materialistic science and has profound influence on our entire society (Grof).

To me, radicalizing phenomenology is simply acknowledging that when Husserl attempted to use rational means for attaining a transcendental state, he unleashed into the world a confusion. When I refer to myself as a “radical phenomenologist,” I mean that I fully embrace the confusion Husserl has exposed; in fact, I rest in this confusion. Edmund Husserl, without trying to do so, has undermined Reason, the god of the Industrial World. As a radical phenomenologist, I call into question the conventional scientific worldview. In so doing, I set about to further undermine mass industrial society. The connection between science and totalitarian control has become apparent. The general population finds itself existing within a gargantuan industrial apparatus which it admires, worships, and idolizes, and yet cannot comprehend. Hence, the general population defers to the authority of the experts and specialists.

Albert Camus writes, “Husserl’s manner of proceeding negates the classical method of reason, disappoints hope, opens to intuition and to the heart of the whole proliferation of phenomena, the wealth of which has something about it inhuman. These paths lead to all sciences or to none.”

I am moving towards an embodied realism, and yet I trust Schopenhauer when he writes, “True philosophy must at all costs be idealistic; indeed, it must be so merely to be honest. For nothing is more certain than that no one ever came out of himself immediately with things different from him; but everything of which he has certain, sure, and hence immediate knowledge, lies within his consciousness. Beyond this consciousness, therefore, there can be no immediate certainty; but the first principle of a science must have such a certainty. It is quite appropriate to the empirical standpoint of all the other sciences to assume the objective world as positively and actually existing; it is not appropriate to the standpoint of philosophy, which has to go back to what is primary and original. Consciousness alone is immediately given, hence the basis of philosophy is limited to the facts of consciousness; in other words, philosophy is essentially idealistic.”

But I digress. Spiritualism is the false safeguard against materialism; but the real and true safeguard against materialism is idealism. In spiritualism, what is proved is the knower’s independence of matter, but in idealism, what is proved is the dependence of all matter on the knower. Husserl always reminds us that consciousness is always consciousness of something. Schopenhauer says that consciousness without object is no consciousness at all. Both appear to be transcendental idealists.

Please also see the short paper SCHOPENHAUER AND HUSSERL: CRITIQUING THE 20TH CENTURYPHENOMENOLOGICAL TRADITION

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When one views oneself as a willer rather than a knower one understands that there can be no “knowledge of knowing” but only an experiential, a posteriori apprehension of an aspect of oneself beyond ones power of representation. This radical division within a unitary subject can be interpreted as a dramatic attempt at overcoming the logocentric centering of the human in reason endemic to modern thinking. Schopenhauer is very aware of the revolutionary aspect of his thought and the difficulty one faces in accepting the fact that the full range of human experience transcends rationality. Yet, he remains firm on this foundational division: “Now the identity of the subject of willing with that of knowing by virtue whereof (and indeed necessarily) the word I includes and indicates both, is the knot of the world (Weltknoten), and hence inexplicable” (FR, 211). Further: “Fundamentally it is the will that is spoken of whenever I occurs in a judgement. Therefore the will is the true and ultimate point of unity of consciousness, and the bond of all its functions and acts. It does not, however, itself belong to the intellect, but is only its root, origin, and controller” (WWR II, 140).
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I found another thesis paper.  This one is called THE  ROOTS AND METHOD OF PHENOMENOLOGICAL REALISM by James M. Dubois

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Husserl is unquestionably seen as the ' Father of Phenomenology;' however, the philosophy about which I am writing has very little in common with what most people associate with Husserl's phenomenology. While it is widely debated, I hold that Husserl abandoned his commitment to true phenomenology when he turned from realism to a transcendental idealism. However, I wish to avoid this dispute completely. One of the best expositions of the view that Husserl made a turn from realism to idealism can be found in Josef Seifert' s Back to Things in Themselves and I   would strongly recommend its reading to anyone interested in phenomenological realism.

Back to 'Things in Themselves': A Phenomenological Foundation for Classical Realism by Josef Seifert

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Re: Transcendental idealism vs Empirical realism
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2023, 05:09:09 pm »
I can sometimes put all my worries aside, log onto this website, and look through old notebooks, such Radical Phenomenological Psychoanalysis of Lived Experience.

All the big problems: finding stable residence, getting notebooks and library out of storage, healing foot, fixing teeth, etc, are all too much for me.

I return to philosophy and dark humor.
Things They Will Never Tell YouArthur Schopenhauer has been the most radical and defiant of all troublemakers.

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