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Title: To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul:New Year Eve Blues
Post by: Holden on December 31, 2017, 08:51:19 am
I've never really liked New Years, usually went to bed early just like any other day...dont drink or dope either so parties and clubs weren't an option.I've always found it a rather a pointless holiday...time and calendars are productivity instruments created by a workaholic society, if nature intended for us to be time-conscious, we would have been born with watches, also why I don't celebrate birthdays either...
I've been ****ing sick of it for years. As if people need another reason to go out and be disgusting. Fat and stupid.
 A time to look back and realise that nothing has changed, nothing will.
Its just another day. Another excuse for people to get drugged off their face for no reason other than to mask their insecurities. Yay! (Passes out.)
Title: Re: To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul:New Year Eve Blues
Post by: Holden on December 31, 2017, 09:09:50 am
Remember, just surviving on this hellworld is an achievement .

But I don't want to go among mad people, Alice remarked.
Oh, you can't help that, said the Cat: we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
How do you know I'm mad? said Alice.
You must be, said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.

I am truly on the wrong plant.
Title: Re: To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul:New Year Eve Blues
Post by: raul on December 31, 2017, 03:22:48 pm
Yes, it is true. New Year´s Eve is pointless. Christmas, New Year´s Eve, Holy Week, all of them pointless days. Birthdays too. Time, calendars, are another kind of chains. As you say it is a behavior of a workaholic society. I used to go and drink almost to death. I was always told the following: Beware of the man who does not drink. Another said to me that he drank because he had no money to go to a psychologist. I am not sure but in the U.S. you can drive a car at sixteen but not drink alcohol.

In almost seven hours I am going to hear firecrackers all over the city. It is very hot but there is noise of thunder.

Yes, another year to realize that nothing has changed and nothing will, as you say.

And yes, you are in the wrong planet. A mad human planet.

Stay safe.
Title: Re: To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul:New Year Eve Blues
Post by: Broken Brains on December 31, 2017, 10:45:07 pm
Nothing to report from this end of the penal colony.

One thing I can say is that I was fortunate to have hunted down those Dolciani texts when I did.

One that I am going through, a 1986 Algebra 2 / Trigonometry text,  which I picked up back in May for seven dollars, has gone through the roof since then:  a hundred dollars and up (https://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Trigonometry-Mary-P-Dolciani/dp/039534378X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514776725&sr=1-1&keywords=039534378X).

Strange, no?   It's as though there may be a small cult who are collecting and studying these unique so-called "high school math" books.

The solution key for Modern Introductory Analysis, which I acquired last February, is no longer to be found (https://www.amazon.com/Solution-Key-Modern-Introductory-Analysis/dp/0395255554/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514777617&sr=1-3&keywords=Solution+Key+Modern+Introductory+Analysis), nor is the Teacher's edition (with manual) (https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Introductory-Analysis-Teachers-Manual/dp/0395184185/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514777674&sr=1-2&keywords=Introductory+Analysis+Dolciani+Teacher%27s) which I grabbed in April  ... and there is only one more copy of the solution key to the other version of Introductory Analysis (https://www.amazon.com/Teachers-Manual-Solutions-Introductory-Analysis/dp/0395406560/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1514777674&sr=1-1&keywords=Introductory+Analysis+Dolciani+Teacher%27s).  I am fortunate to have invested in a far less expensive copy back in April.

So, I guess I am counting my blessings, one being that I followed my impulses when I hunted down exactly what I wanted to study intensely over the next few years.  In a way, I was one of the few chosen by the "invisibles" to be granted copies of what I perceived to be rare treasures before the prices became prohibitive or they simply disappeared from the face of the earth (for sale, that is).

Does it help to speak of invisible forces?  No, I suppose not; but one can make believe, no?  Maybe there are some kind of invisible forces, like ghosts, who might take an interest in us ... maybe even the ghost of Schopenhauer?  Who knows?  It's more likely that the entire universe is indifferent; and yet, if any part of our mind sees some kind of broader perspective, then that part of my mind might have a better sense of which books would have the most profound effect on my mind were i to devote my attention to them as though to some kind of majestic oracle.

I really think that, if we live long enough, one of these days, many years from now, I might be able to mail gigital copies of my math notes to India, notes which would be far more organized than the drunken and manic scribblings written from 1987 to 2015.

Holden, if you can endure this life for another 10 years or so, there may be a treasure heading your way if you find yourself becoming more curious about the formal study of mathematics in the future.

If not, that's ok too.  If I get anywhere with what I am studying; if I experience some breakthroughs and find that it hasn't all been in vain, then it would be great to share the mind treasures with someone.

While I certainly do feel like I am in my own orbit, there must be at least a handful of others following a similar path at this moment ... far off the beaten path.

Well, that's it from me.  I refuse to become more depressed than usual just because of the hype about a "new year".  I'll crack open a Ginger Ale and follow my normal routine, which is to quit working on math exercises right about now and do a little reading.

I've been reading through the book on SPK (Dr. Hubert) and a handful of other books.

If I work on math too late into the night, at a certain point it becomes pointless.

In fact, I find that if I want to settle down to do some reading, I also have to turn off the computer.

Peace brothers.
Title: Re: To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul:New Year Eve Blues
Post by: raul on January 01, 2018, 06:02:22 am
Well, 2018. Here we are. Hot and cloudy in the city. Whenever you can, please write about you have been reading about Dr. Huber and the SPK. I read there is something called literary terrorism.More dangerous than bombs, improvised explosive devices, or guns. Maybe you are a "literary terrorist" with the blog. Literary terrorism, as I read,is  the act of writing a “monstrous” or “accursed” books that cause “a chaos of such proportions” that it inspires others to commit crimes. Because the evils caused by dangerous books can be permanent. In this case crimes, thinking crimes. Long after you are gone, you can cause mayhem, chaos, unrest.

Take care.

Title: what the hell is "literary terrorism"?
Post by: Broken Brains on January 01, 2018, 09:35:59 am
I find the terms "literary terrorist" to be emotionally loaded and ambiguous.

Encontrar los términos "terrorista literario" emocionalmente cargado y ambiguo.

What does 'literary terrorism' mean? Is it literature designed to shock and subvert? Literature about the use of shock and terror? Something that challenges the status quo or the canon? What does it mean?

¿Qué significa "terrorismo literario"?

¿es literatura diseñada para chocar y subvertir?
¿Literatura sobre el uso del shock y el terror?
¿algo que desafíe el status quo o el Canon?
¿Qué significa?

Do you mean literature as a form of (conceptual? mental? cultural?) violence? Literature written in support of, or in sympathy with, real-world terror campaigns?

¿te refieres a la literatura como una forma de (conceptual? mental? cultural?) ¿violencia?

¿Literatura escrita en apoyo de, o en simpatía con, las campañas de terror del mundo real?

When I read the term, "literary terrorism", I think of the Koran or the Old Testament or Hitler's Mein Kampf.  Perhaps even the manifesto, Industrial Society and Its Future, by Ted Kaczynski.

Cuando leí el término "terrorismo literario", pienso en el Corán o en El Antiguo Testamento o en el libro de Hitler, "Mein Lucha".  Tal vez incluso el manifiesto, La Sociedad Industrial y Su Futuro, por Ted Kaczynski.

What kinds of things have I written that would inspire random acts of violence?  I would think that I promote nonparticipation, noncooperation, intellectual honesty, and even genuine mathematical empowerment.

¿Qué tipo de cosas he escrito que inspirarían actos aleatorios de violencia? Yo pensaría que promuevo la no participación, la no cooperación, la honestidad intelectual, e incluso el empoderamiento matemático genuino.

My mathematical and philosophical interests and activities are no threat to the icons of military and economic power.  My way of life challenges the values of the "middle class" and the "working class", but I am too engrossed in technical details to care too much about how one would go about dismantling the systemic stupidity of the military-industrial complex.

Mis intereses y actividades matemáticas y filosóficas no son una amenaza para los íconos del poder económico y militar. Mi forma de vida desafía los valores de la "clase media" y de la "clase obrera", pero estoy demasiado absorto en los detalles técnicos para preocuparme demasiado de cómo se podría hacer para desmantelar la estupidez sistémica del complejo militar-industrial.


As for Dr. Huber and the SPK, I think that Huber himself translated it from German to English.  So far it consists of many notes about the mental patients who were staying at the University in Heidelberg in 1970 or so.

En cuanto al Dr. Huber y el SPK, creo que el mismo Huber lo tradujo de alemán a Inglés. Hasta ahora se compone de muchas notas sobre los pacientes mentales que se alojaban en la Universidad de Heidelberg en 1970 o así.

I am looking to see how "mental illness" is tied in with inability to present the commodity of labor.  I am interested in the role economics play in defining what "illness" is.    So far, I have seen how the police were used to evict the patients' collective from the university, and that maybe Huber was encouraging the patients to arm themselves against the police.

Estoy mirando para ver cómo la "enfermedad mental" está atada adentro con la incapacidad de presentar la materia del trabajo. Me interesa el papel que desempeña la economía en la definición de lo que es "enfermedad". Hasta ahora, he visto cómo la policía fue utilizada para desalojar al colectivo de pacientes de la Universidad, y que tal vez Huber estaba alentando a los pacientes a armarse contra la policía.

While researching your term, literary terrorism, I found a paper, Exploding Narratives: The Literature of Terrorism in Contemporary America (http://diginole.lib.fsu.edu/islandora/object/fsu:176009/datastream/PDF/view) by Stacey A. Suver a graduate student which you may feed into this translator (https://translate.google.com/).  I seriously doubt my writing would ever fall into such a category.

Again, I will focus on some mathematical proofs and some programming for most of the day as I hide from the -21C (-5F) temperatures outdoors.

As you can surmise, I am no threat to the Powers That Be, just a man studying some math and programming, helping his mother pay some bills by staying out of trouble.

Mientras investigaba su término, el terrorismo literario, encontré un artículo de un estudiante universitario que puede alimentar al traductor.  Dudo seriamente que mi escritura alguna vez caiga en tal categoría.

de nuevo, me centraré en algunas pruebas matemáticas y algunos programación para la mayor parte del día como me escondo de la-21C (-5F) temperaturas al aire libre.

como puedes suponer, no soy una amenaza para los poderes que son, sólo un hombre estudiando algunas matemáticas y programación, ayudando a su madre a pagar algunas facturas por mantenerse fuera de problemas.

Title: Re: To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul:New Year Eve Blues
Post by: raul on January 01, 2018, 02:18:27 pm
What the hell is literary terrorism? Something that challenges the status quo or the canon. To start thinking is already an act of defiance. The powers that be do not like that.  That is the problem. I remember here, in the eighties the Stroessner regime jailed people just for having books on Karl Marx. They were subversives in their view.They were seditious. Nothing new.

You do not cause people to act in a violent way. That is not your intention. Maybe I exaggerated in the use of literary terrorism. Clearly there are authors whose books may be considered literary terrorism such as  the Old Testament or Hitler's Mein Kampf or the manifesto, Industrial Society and Its Future, by Ted Kaczynski. I only read some parts but also The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,a text that surfaced in tsarist Russia. I wonder if that can be included. This reminds me of the Index of the Vatican that forbade many authors.

Stay well.

Title: Re: To Herr Hentrich and Senor Raul:New Year Eve Blues
Post by: Holden on January 02, 2018, 02:01:34 am
Remember to always make constant shallow smalltalk. Any quietness or meaningful discussion will result in being charged and prosecuted by the thoughtpolice.
Title: To be healthy means to be exploitable
Post by: Broken Brains on October 27, 2019, 10:38:03 am
An interesting quote from Turn Ilness Into a Weapon:    "To be healthy, therefore, means to be exploitable."

They equate "being gainfully employed" with "mental health" - to be unemployable is to be sick.

If you are not jumping through hoops or licking some paymaster's boots, you must be a danger to yourself and others.

All I know is that I feel my life is a great burden, and I can almost be 100% certain that it is no more pleasant being anyone else, nor any other living Subjectivity. 

Having said that, I am still going to try to just go about getting through the day.

There will be days when I may even tell my Muse to go pound salt.   ;D

I want to wrap my mind around the STL iterator (https://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/tpkarkka/alglib/k06/lectures/iterators.html)s, but I am just as likely to read a bit of the book Silenus linked to while the rains pour down outside.    It is true what Cioran says, that some days the best we can hope for is to lay down and groan, undisturbed.

Title: The Mentally Ill as Revolutionary Proletariat
Post by: Broken Brains on March 04, 2020, 11:56:47 pm
Quote from: raul
Whenever you can, please write about you have been reading about Dr. Huber and the SPK.

I am rereading sections 23 and 24 as these sections paint the mentally ill as the "revolutionary."

This would flip the script on those who LOVE capitalism and FEAR socialism.

It makes me want to puke witnessing the Establishment (the self-proclaimed "hard working" middle class) work the gears of their machinery to use phony-smiling Joe Biden to derail the momentum that Bernie Sanders had with the youth.

I would most likely break ranks with those who do not believe in voting were Bernie Sanders to be permitted to run.   Enough about that.  I don't really believe in democracy.   I do not wish to insult everyone in the USA since I have to live here, but there is some serious bullShit going on.   

So, I am getting a little inspiration from a gem suggested by Senor Raul:  Turning Illness into a Weapon.

From Chapter VI. Illness and Capital

23. Identity of Illness and Capital

Illness is the essential condition, the presupposition and the result of this capitalist process of production.  Illness is collectively produced: that is, in so far as the worker creates capital in the work process, which encounters him as an alien force, he collectively produces his own isolation. It’s therefore only logical that healthcare produced by capitalism perpetuates this isolation in that it doesn’t treat these symptoms as collective but rather treats them as individual bad luck, fault, and failure. However, capitalism produces, in the form of illness, the most dangerous threat to itself. Therefore it has
to fight against the progressive moment in illness with its heaviest weapons : the healthcare system, the legal system, the police. Objectively, illness, as defective (=not exploitable) labor power, is the gravedigger of capitalism. Illness = the inner limitation of capitalism: if all are acutely ill ( = unsuited for work), no one is left to produce surplus value.

As a collectively conscious process, illness is the revolutionary productive force, according to the level of its effectiveness: limited protest, conscious protest, collective consciousness, struggle in solidarity.
On the one hand the function of the health care system is the maintenance and enhancement of the exploitability the commodity of labor power;  on the other hand it must insure that the pharmaceutical
and medical technology industries realize their surplus value. (The health care system is the market for the pharmacological and medical technology industries). The sick person is therefore the object of a two-
fold exploitation: as defective labor power he gets repaired for the goal of continued exploitation; as a consumer he makes for smooth transactions by the medical technology and pharmaceutical industries.

That sure got my attention tonight.   Section 24 continues ... presenting the "sick" patient as the true revolutionary.   Things are staring to click, Raul.  I mean, I'm afraid this is all making too much sense, and it is more than a little creepy:   as defective labor power he gets repaired for the goal of continued exploitation

You have to love that terminology:  defective labor power!  Broken Machinery, like the guy walking in circles in that asylum in a film whose title has slipped my mind.

24. The Proletariat Under the Determination of Illness as Revolutionary Proletariat

Not every individual patient (a group that includes everyone) belongs to the revolutionary class. But each of them who claims the progressive moment of illness acts like a revolutionary.   As class lines get blurred, revolutionary struggle emerges; it’s well known that in all revolutions there are and were reactionaries and fascists who were recruited from among the workers.

Only as a sick proletariat - and to be ill is its essential determination, otherwise it would have long ago overturned its fundamental contradiction without the lousy talk of its bourgeois benefactors on the student side - does it become a revolutionary force which stands outside of the free-democratic state of injustice; it has namely no rights, possesses nothing with which it could exploit alienated labor power - be it house, car, refrigerator - nothing that doesn’t fall under the control of capital. Muscles, nerves and bodies never belonged to the proletariat without this, for their functions are always capitalistically pre-programmed before birth, that is in the sense of the best possible exploitation.

Through the subjugation factories of family, home, school, barracks, workplace, office, clinic, prison, etc., this program is turned into a material power against the exploited.

I am sorry that all I am doing is taking excerpts.   I will shut down the computer and continue reading into the night.  I just wanted to make you aware that I do return now and then to that radical book.

At least here in the United States, while one might sympathize with Bernie Sander's call for a revolution, the revolutionaries may actually be the half of the population (individuals as opposed to families) which have already and continue to lead revolutionary lives simply by finding it impossible to submit to the standard exploitation.

The so-called healthy are the most exploited gorts on the plantation!   Notice that the FAMILY itself, the nuclear family, one's own parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins - as much as school and job: SUBJUGATION FACTORIES.    It is making too much sense; and hence this may have a depressing and maddening effect on those living this.   

We sick ones may simply be those who have effectively resisted the most severe exploitation; and while we live poorer having to get by with much less, history may present us as those who resisted ... so let us not feel too ashamed of our "illness" or "disorder."

Thanks again, Raul.

Title: the medicalization of the (un)fitness for employment/subservience
Post by: Broken Brains on February 13, 2021, 07:50:40 pm
From Chapter 27:


Doctor, lawyer, professor belong to the dominant agencies of capitalism. In the self-representation of the System they function as connecting links between the respective suppressing institutions (Herrschaftslnstitutionen) on the one hand and the patients, clients, students, that means the population, on the other hand. The physician lives on the social contributions and on the fees of the patients, the lawyers live on the fees of his clients just as the university professor lives on the taxes of the population.

copy of an original letter to a patient, who is now In a mental hospital:

"Highly esteemed Mr !

("Dear Sir:, Sehr geehrter Herr !)

That you have called Dr. Honeck an agent of capitalism nobody here has taken amiss, because we are accustomed to hear things like that.

We know what a big part have played words like "agent, capitalism, socialism, Mao Tse Tung" in your condition of mental disturbance in those times. At that time you have connected every thing and everybody to the high politics and you demonstrated not much interest in matters of minor detail.

Now you have to do exercises more and more in order to hold tight the simple human interrelations and to throw aboard everything which has to do with delusion and phantasy (alles Wahnhafte und Phantastische).

Your unjustified distrust towards our medical efforts delays your curing. The medicaments, which you dismiss (abqualifizieren) as narcotics are indeed rather psychopharmaca, and by those psychopharmaca the psychiatry was revolutionized in this sense, that nowadays diseases like yours, which were taken in former times as untreatable, now got a chance to get healed.


Dr.med. Ingo Sonntag"

(Dr. Sonntag is a psychiatrist at the psychiatric hospital of the university of Freiburg - dean of this hospital is Professor Degkwitz)

Following their self-understanding combined to their own class understanding and following their own class rights they have to be ready and available only in favour of the population. But being anchored in the health system, in the judiciary and in the university they get forced to enforce the interests of capitalism against the population, because they are functionaries and agents of those institutions of domination
(Herrschaftsinstitutionen). The latter function they present best and in a quite general manner by bringing into prominence their limits of competence and by keeping their distance ( D i s t a n z ) .

For the physician (Arzt) it is not the patient which is interesting, but only the patient's (un)fitness to work. For the lawyer there is nothing about the client, but only about the law case. And for the scientist there is nothing about the needs of the population, because he works for nothing but for the interests of capitalism, regardless of his understanding about science in each case. In each one of those three cases there is a keeping distance (besteht eine D i s t a n z ) between the needs and sufferings (Bediirfnisse) of the patient or client and of the population on the one hand and between that, what the functionaries (physician, lawyer, scientist) regard and treat to be their sphere of work (Arbeitsgegenstand). Physician, lawyer, scientist themselves are parts and particularities (Teile) in the system of forces, exposed persons (Exponenten) of the social relations, which are permanently again and again producing for them the "matters of work" ("Arbeitsmaterial") by which they benefit.
Regarding their social origins, their education and their economic possibilities (okonomische Potenz) there exists a barrier (Barriere) between them and the population who works in illness, persecuted by criminalization (kriminalisiert) and who is systematically kept under intellectual subdevelopment.