Author Topic: Shedding Light into the Abyss:The Will's Harmonic Motion by Mr.Sabry  (Read 388 times)

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Mr.Sabry says Schopenhauer  at the end of his life, hoped that "perhaps someone after me will shed some light in this abyss(nature of the Will)".
Mr.Sabry claims to be such a man. I could not resist.I bought his book "The Will's Harmonic Motion" today.

I remember you had evinced interest in it yourself. Well,I would try to review it thoroughly as well as post the enlightening passages, if I come across any.

We will see what Mr.Sabry has to say.
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Did you get a hardback or an electronic version?

I wish there were a way to "copy and paste" passages, but the publishers of ebooks would not want to make things THAT easy for us.  I suppose, with all the funds I put into amassing math books (total bibliophile when it comes to math books - if only I could retain the knowledge!!!), I ought to splurge for this one ...

Give me the word, and I will check it out along with you ... as I am also pecking away at Hartmann's work ever since the appearance of Maughan and his excerpts from Philosophy of the Unconscious.
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Well,I have only read a few pages so far so I could be wrong.
I'd say Mr.Sabry is primarily elucidating what Schopenhauer has said already,nothing wrong with that,in fact,I could use more of such books.
But there isn't a major break through. As Herr Hentrich once said -there is no outsmarting Schopenhauer.

I'd tell you what Mr.Sabry's greatest strength is ,while he does not possess Nietzsche's gift of the gab nor his dramatic flair,he is immensely loyal to Schopenhauer's philosophy.He is not trying to outsmart Schopenhauer in anyway.

He dedicates the book to the "Spirit of Schopenhauer".
Most importantly ,he speaks the truth-and the truth is always "the truth",there is no such thing as a "new" truth.
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WARNING:  SauerKraut  needs a cup of strong black coffee (man-child King-Baby syndrome)
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Like I said, I trust your judgement.  Since I just finished reading Rejectionist Philosophy late last night (in the middle of the night, of course), I will go ahead and load Sabry's work into the reading contraption (which is easy on the eyes after a long day of arithmetic and theorems). 

The least we can do is give a little support to anyone who goes through the trouble of trying to shed light into this abyss.

Thanks for keeping me posted.  In retrospect, this will all appear rather exciting, especially when I reflect upon how significant my initial "discovery" of Schopenhauer was.   Like Nietzsche, happening upon Schopenhauer was purely accidental for me.  Unlike organized religion or public education, which was forced upon me, it was pure chance (contingency?) which led me to my true educator.

The only reason I hesitate to invest any hope of learning something from Sabry is that, from what I have read in the "Look Inside" preview on Amazon, he is quite the pantheist. 

[At its most general, pantheism may be understood positively as the view that God is identical with the cosmos, the view that there exists nothing which is outside of God, or else negatively as the rejection of any view that considers God as distinct from the universe.]

Almost on principal, I am reluctant to subject myself to having someone just blatantly replace the word "will" with terms such as "soul", and replace the term "world" with the word "God".

I don't think Schopenhauer would appreciate this at all. 

No, I am very reluctant to read Sabry's book.  He uses the word God far too frequently.   It makes me a little angry and upset, to be honest.

I will give it a chance, but I will not hesitate to criticize Sabry's use of meaningless words such as God and soul.  I don't understand how someone so loyal to the spirit of Schopenhauer would miss this important aspect of what made Schopenhauer so "great".  He was repulsed by the way philosophers would use this word, "God," and then act as though they had explained something profound, when, in actuality, they say nothing of the sort.   The same can be said of the word, "Unconscious" - as though by naming it the unconscious we have somehow defined and comprehended its mysterious contents!   

I will read Sabry with you, but I have to say the grouchy sour Kraut in me was roused upon reading just the first few pages.   I will have to use restraint and cut Sabry a great deal of slack, if only out of sympathy in that he pays Schopenhauer such great respect.   He would show more respect for Schopenhauer if he were to remove the words God and soul from his vocabulary. 
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I would caution you to interpret Schopenhauer yourself, Holden.  I do not think you need Sabry to "mansplain" the nature of existence to you, especially not in the guize of "completing Schopenhauer's philosophy."

I find myself entertaining the idea that Mr Sabry is somewhat ignorant or thickheaded.   Does he realize Schopenhauer was an atheist?   Does he realize that there is no creator god in Buddhism?

While reading the introduction I realized that I do not like the author.  He irks me.  When he writes, "God exists in the world and as the world, and this is the ultimate truth," I came to the quick conclusion that the author is either a con artist or willfully ignorant.  For one thing, he is dishonest.  He claims to pay such great respect to Schopenhauer, and then, treating the reader as though we were children or idiots, he writes as though he has some kind of direct mystical insight into the nature of reality.

I will continue to read his book, but already, in my eyes he is certainly not the guru he fancies himself to be. 

I am interested in what your reactions were to what you have read so far.   By all means, I will read this along with you.  The hubris of human beings amazes me.  I am glad I never published a book.  I would never presume to "explain" the nature of reality to anyone.  I think I would prefer just to complain about having been born and try to make the reader laugh a little about the absurdity of existence.

I still can't get over Sabry's willful ignorance about Schopenhauer's atheism.   Wow.  Fortunately, this man is not going to get a free pass with me just because he praises Schopenhauer's philosophy.   It seems like such a little thing, that he talks about the existence of "God the creator", but, Holy Fuuck, it's as though he chose to ignore that aspect of Schopenhauer's philosophy and then has the nerve to assume to teach us about Schopenhauer's philosophy.

Oh my god, I'm going to have a heart attack reading this unless I allow myself to mock him.
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Re: Shedding Light into the Abyss
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2017, 08:25:51 pm »
Sorry if I was a little rough on Mr Sabry.   I will try to appreciate his efforts and not be so fierce.

I am sure to learn something if I keep an open mind.  Sometimes I am grouchy, irritable, and, maybe even overly sensitive, quick to anger.  I do not mean to discourage you from seeing things in a different light.   Who am I, anyway, but a struggling old school boy?
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Mr.Sabry is a nincompoop alright.
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The sperm is the will objectified and charged with blind urges. It has no knowledge and is pure will to live. It is stamped with the father’s moral qualities. It only needs body and intellect to be able to objectify itself. That is why it is very eager to unite with the mother’s egg. If the sperm alone could somehow create an individual, it would be exactly like the father, an exact replica. There would be no chance for the will to improve. The female egg is like the void. When the sperm stirs it, it sends out millions of cells by dividing just one cell.
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Do you think I should give Mr Sabry another chance and overlook his pantheistic notions of "the World as God"?

I've been reading some Lovecraft and other fragments of literature for about a half an hour each night after midnight when I'm spent from the math exercises.

Shall I continue reading The Will's Harmonic Motion?  Hartmann's Philosophy of the Unconscious is going to take me years to get through ... and I'm also pecking away at The History of the Devil.

Like I said, I am only pecking away at literature and philosophy late at night after the brain is already shot.

Sometimes I feel like an ingrate, that I do not appreciate all my ancestors went through for me to be here now; but, as we often say here, I did not choose to be born.   It is not necessary for me to survive.  I only have to endure this existence until it is over.  I have been an Onanist spilling my seed on the ground.

I don't want to replicate as it all seems so senseless.  We all die anyway.  The sun will expire and the earth will look like the moon.
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I started reading Sabry's Harmonic Motion again last night, and I will continue to read it out of curiosity.  I know I have no control over what anyone else writes or what anyone else thinks.   

When Sabry writes, "The only reason for the creation of the universe is the ability to perform the tragicomedy act via the moral conduct of the human beings," he just sounds like a child whistling in the dark to me.   He is telling us why the universe was created as if he has some kind of inside information, a kind of "divine insight". 

He goes on to explain the difference between the intelligible character and the empirical character.   What we do is our empirical character; what we are is our intelligible character.  The quality of the will is its intelligible character, which contains potentially all that a person is capable of doing.

What we do follows from what we are.  This sounds like we become what we do, which is the definition of karma, right?

There is no freedom in doing, because it is strictly according to what we are.  Freedom belongs only to the will that creates and sets up the intelligible character and makes us what we are.  The will doesn't depend on anything in the world, and it is outside of time, space, and causality and devoid of the bondage of reason, logic, or wisdom.  Therefore it is free.

OK, so far I can follow along with only slight apprehension, still reluctant to take Sabry too seriously.  Then I read, "Our characters are predetermined for many lives to come, and our essence precedes our existence."

And I think I am reading something by Jane Roberts who is pretending to be possessed by "Seth".

He continues, "The will performs the divine tragicomedy at its own expense and actually feeds on itself."

Then I know I am reading the words of someone who believes there is some kind of divine plan or order to this universe, someone who pretends to know that which is unknowable; and hence, while I will continue to read Sabry for entertainment, I will most likely see him as just another funny chimpanzee who likes to puff himself up into significance by "mansplaining" our predicament to us.

No wonder I like tinkering with algebra problems.  No bullshiit.

Well, the man who runs the community farm here in the "retirement village" where the Mother and I reside was kind enough to lay down the 2x8's around our plot as I had no way of transpoting the six ten foot peices of lumber.   I will once again place the poles in the ground and attach the wire fence.   

I am used to putting off eating food until later in the day, but I have to force myself to eat something so that I don't get dizzy out there.  Once the fence is up, maybe this coming week I can plant spinach, tomatoes, zucchini, and cucumbers. 

My father is out of the hospital and sort of trapped in my sister's basement healing.  I will try to appreciate my health, something Schopenhauer says is nearly impossible for us to do until we have lost our health. 

As I said before (about Sabry), he is free to think and write whatever he wants.  I suppose it is a commendable thing to write "the completion of Schopenhauer's philosophy".  I have a hard enough time with solving algebra problems and planting some vegetables.  I do not aspire to explain the universe to my fellow sufferers.

I would be content to understand high school and undergraduate mathematics on a slightly deeper level so that I might explain it (to myself?) with a little more confidence.  I don't aim too high since I am pleased to understand anything at all.  I know life is suffering and that it is a difficult thing to get through. I know that I appreciate our communications, so I will attempt to read Sabry along with you.  Please excuse my radical epistemic skepticism along the way.

One of the consequences of finding myself baffled by this existence is that I have developed great cynicism when it comes to the way my fellow homo sapiens go about constructing explanations to justify our existence.  I prefer to just accept that the world and life itself do not make any sense whatsoever.

Human beings come up with such nonsense, telling me things like, "We chose our parents before we were born" or "we are spiritual creatures having a physical experience" and a host of other mystical declarations, as though they actually knew these things.  We have to remember that we are chimpanzee-like animal beings who tell ourselves stories so that we can get through our days and nights.

People are free to believe what they want, free to preach and philosophize.  At the end of the day, when all is said and done, the only thing we have to do is endure our existence until the inevitable moment we expire, at which time we may feel life has been a rather absurd but quick joke.
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update: the posts and fence went up smoothly ... I have to say, with the cool breeze and light rain, that kind of work was extremely thera-puetic for me (hyphenated because this automated nanny actually puts *s over the letters r-a-p-e even when they are needed to spell a word).  But, yes, I can't describe how relaxed my mind was moving about with sledge hammer, wire-cutters, the post hole digger and even pushing the wheelbarrel.  I was dreaming this morning of an old foreman from the first state park that employed me in 1989.  I guess there is a part of me that enjoys playing in the dark dirt.  There is a part of me that I have become a stranger to that I might like to become reaquainted with.
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