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Re: Seneca´s Death by Heiner Muller
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2019, 08:49:39 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your words. I like winter here. But of course winter in India must be different from here.

I am sure there are matrimonial websites here but as you say it depends on one´s income to find a partner.

Yes, India a superpower. But only the elite can boast about that ephemeral title. I remember a little watching TV when in 1998 Pakistan tested its bombs. I saw crowds gathering for that event. They showed the picture of a popular expert called Abdul Khadir Khan (not sure about spelling). It demonstrates how we are waiting for a megadeath to come.

I read an interview between a Colombian author and journalist called Mario Mendoza and a kind of seer or psychic called Armando Martí in 2014. This man works in criminal cases with the Colombian prosecutor´s office. Martí says that he spoke to Master Sadhu Ram Ji.
Martí said to Ram Ji that he helped save four thousand people´s lives in Colombia. Sadhu Ram Ji asked him: “Why? And Martí explained that he helped stop a military offensive against the FARC (Colombian guerrilla) and helped also find the remains of an important politician who died in an airplane accident.

Sadhum Ram Ji remained silent and said to Martí:

“Armando you altered the karma of four thousand people who had to die. You do not know the responsibility that you have; you are cursed. You should never have done that; you should have never seen the future because with your action you altered the karma of four thousand people who had to die.”

In another part of the interview Martí said he had talked to the Dalai Lama who said that mankind had to atone, that only those with compassionate and loving hearts and those who are flexible or open to love will be able to survive. Humanity will go through very strong political, climate changes. There will be famines, misery, death, very strong viruses. These apocalyptic changes will not be explosive but slow and steady. Mankind is nearing an atonement or black zone where only those who have conscience of themselves, conscience of love for one´s fellow human beings, conscience for service and conscience of detachment will survive.

Since I have no love for my fellow human beings, no conscience for service and detachment, I will go to the black zone.

As you wrote “We  are here  to dance with  the devil in the pale moonlight.”

Take  care.

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2019, 03:53:09 am »
I was oppressed with a sense of vague discontent and dissatisfaction with my own life, which was passing so quickly and uninterestingly, and I kept thinking it would be a good thing if I could tear my heart out of my breast, that heart which had grown so weary of life.”
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Re: Seneca´s Death by Heiner Muller
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2019, 08:03:53 pm »
Yes, Ibra, being a living creature can be humiliating.  Do you think any other social animal experiences these humiliations?

You might like this book, Remarks On Existential Nihilism: Labelling, Narcissism and Existential Maturity  (free kindle version).

I mentioned it in our "Nihilism thread.

The author is not some kind of academic professor, but writes with non-technical everyday language.  The reason I think you might be interested is because he refers again and again to this tendency for us to be damaged by the mere "opinions" of others.

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He compares the obsession with being in romantic relationships with the tendency to have some kind of career. 

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What Jack Ernest says is rather simple and direct.  He says that being known by others in society can cause us psychological damage, and that people make many important decisions, such as marriage, being involved in relationships, having a job, based upon fear of how they might be perceived were they to reject these roles.

As for the kind of humiliation you experienced from the medical procedure, it is understandable that you would be highly sensitive and uncomfortable with such a procedure.

I wonder if this is just a human thing.  It might not be.   As a child, my parents had blessed me with a canine companion, an Old English Sheep Dog.   He appeared much larger than he was since he had so much fur.  After my parents divorced (I was about 12), the dog (Baron Von Hentrich) and I stayed with my Dad, and my sister went with my Mom.   When my father's second wife moved in, she and my Dad had the dog's hair shaved off.  Without all the fur, the dog was as skinny as I was!

I swear that he did appear to be humiliated having his fur removed like that.
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2019, 07:40:31 am »
Senor  Raul,

We   are more puppets than  beings with autonomy.The birds  are making  noises  outside  and the kids are playing and  all  these   creatures have about  as much ability for self-determinism  as a door  nail.I have never able    able  to  get along with the  folks I work for. They are  always dictatorial. I   do not like  dictators. Come  to think of it, I do  not like  human beings in general.

Keep well.
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2019, 06:05:35 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your words. We are in Holy Week. This is the only time  I can endure this city more. Most go to the countryside to visit their towns and families. There is a lot of tourism there.

Holden,

Yes, we are puppets. What strange puppets we are indeed! It is a punishment to feel ourselves as puppets. I once read that the prisoners in Auschwitz and Dachau who endured those killing fields were not the strongest physically but those who had a strong inner life. I see you that way.

Your colleagues may not survive without the comfort of their jobs but you will. Also one day your colleagues will tire of so much pressure, so many expectation of themselves, of abusing themselves to the point of insanity, of surrendering to pressures. They will tire of being the executioner and the victim, the jailer and the prisoner. One day like those prisoners of the concentration camps, they will not be able to stand up and walk. Zombies.

In our case let us enjoy the pleasure of being nobodies in this dizzyinng world.

It is because you have been doing your job professionally, as I see it, that they do not dare to do anything against you. Admittedly I also wanted to behave like a little dictator.

All this dictator behavior, in my view, comes from our so-called education that praises obedience so much. It is dangerous. We are domesticated by our parents, our school teachers and society in general to see obedient people as an example to be followed.  We are taught to respect authority, to obey the norms and rules. It is dangerous that when a young man or woman always pay heeds to orders. That is the reason many commit atrocities only because a superior commands him/her to do so.  I learned, better late than never, that disobedience is a virtue.

Yes, humans are disgusting. I remember when I heard the news in 1995 about the sarin gas attack on the subway in Tokyo. I learned later that strange cult called The Aum Shimrikyu or Supreme Truth was behind it. The leader was Shoko Asahara. I read later that his followers wanted to be better than most people. They wanted to be beyond the misery of the human condition. That is the reason they had no problems in spraying the sarin. If one loathes mankind, if one detests it from the bottom of his/her heart, if one sees cheat, hypocrite, murderers,cruel, manipulative, power hungry, predator humans, the surest thing is that sooner or later one can eliminate mankind without any scruples. Although most of their leaders have been sentenced to death the cult has a new name: Aleph and they have followers around the world.

Who knows? The human cockroach will be recycled from the face of the Earth and another experiment will start again. Madness forever.

Stay safe.

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2019, 01:06:48 pm »
Mr.Ibra,
Thank you for  your response.  The  problem here is overpopulation. We breed like  rabbits.Most  of my  cousins   have  reproduced and   they are  rather proud  of having done so.I  am an  anomaly  in a  rather  fecund system.

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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2019, 01:39:34 pm »
Senor Raul,

Thank you  for your   response. My  parents,especially my mother, are  obsessed  with  getting me  married.And if I   were   not laced  with    the  right  kind of philosophy  I   would have  been  a lame    duck. But  thanks for Herr  Dr.Schopenhauer ,Herr    Kaspar and you,  I  am quite  confident   about the true  nature of existence. They  are, like most gorts,  blind  to  the  turmoil and misery ,all around  them.

Take  care.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2019, 01:46:47 pm »
Everything presses and pushes towards existence, if possible towards organic existence, i.e., life, and then to the highest possible degree thereof. In animal nature, it then becomes obvious that will-to-live is the keynote of its being, its only unchangeable and unconditioned quality. Let us consider this universal craving for life, and see the infinite eagerness, ease, and exuberance with which the will-to-live presses impetuously into existence under millions of forms everywhere and at every moment by means of fertilizations and germs, and indeed, where these are lacking, by means of generatio aequivoca, seizing every opportunity, greedily grasping for itself every material capable of life; and then again, let us cast a glance at its awful alarm and wild rebellion, when in any individual phenomenon it is to pass out of existence, especially where this occurs with distinct consciousness. Then it is precisely the same as if in this single phenomenon the whole world were to be annihilated for ever; and the entire inner nature of a living being thus threatened is at once transformed into the most desperate struggle against, and resistance to, death. Schopenhauer
La Tristesse Durera Toujours                                  (The Sadness Lasts Forever ...)
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Re: Seneca´s Death by Heiner Muller
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2019, 07:46:13 pm »
Holden,

I think you should thank only Hentrich and Schopenhauer. I am only a scribbler in this blog. Nothing I write is new here.

You have shown strength all these years. The right kind of philosophy,as you say, has been shielding you like those medieval knights with their armour.

It took me time to understand that our mothers not only brought us to this world to satisfy their selfish desires but also to see that their offspring carry the bloodlines until the end of this world. They will never understand that this world is a slaughterhouse. Or maybe a few will understand. Few will see that this miserable humanity is entering into a heart of darkness. The Kali Yuga, you wrote once. I read that the Hopi Indians call it Koyaanisqatsi which means Life out of Balance. Times of chaos, destruction and violence.

But right now you are suffering the violence inflicted by your colleagues at work, the pressure in your family and the violence carried out by that god called money. As you know we are at the mercy of economic and banking terrorism. And when I hear some talking about happiness and positive thinking  in this kingdom of beasts called Earth, it makes me more bitter. The system has successfully seized our psyche and demolished it. That explains why we even give our lives in wars if needed.   

Stay safe.