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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2017, 09:13:33 am »
For some reason, reading that article reminded me of this scene about the "natural order of things" and "meddling with the primal forces of nature" from that old film, Network:



Maybe one of the main reasons I tinker with mathematics is because I get some satisfaction working on problems that can be solved, even if the solution is that there is no solution.

Some problems are insoluble.   The arrogance of humanism is the assumption that "all problems are soluble".  You hear it in their favorite mantra, "If you're not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."

I think George Carlin sums it up well with his retort, "If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem."

I have come to see the big problems as insoluble, and tend to concern myself with just getting through the day, getting through the month.  I am resigned to have all the teeth I have left to just rot and decay, and will only have each pulled when they cause me enough pain where I simply can no longer "get through the day."

When it comes to money or economics, it is all too mysterious to me.  If it were not for government relief, I certainly would be a rather pitiful, helpless, and pathetic creature.  When I find myself kneeling before the shelf of old mathematics text books, I often reflect upon tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, and other forces of nature that could just rip them into oblivion. 

I also often find myself suffering a considerable amount of anxiety over these other "primal forces of nature" that go by the name of "economics".

What fragile and vulnerable creatures we are.   We are pitiable, and I do not blame myself at all for having such humble expectations.  In fact, I encourage myself to challenge myself, but not too far outside my comfort zone.  Depression gives me a more realistic perspective, so, much like yourself, Holden, I play down my mental capacity so that I do not demand that my brain perform like some kind of machine.

I want to accept my status as a man-child and pat myself on the back for focusing on making some minor (personal) mental breakthroughs rather than entertaining any notions that I can help our species as a whole solve its "big problems."

For all I know, my engagement with mathematics might be more of a case study for "psychological literature" than anything having to do with mathematics education.

When one has reached a point of such economic insecurity as I have, along with countless others like me, there is a possibility that revisiting the subjects from high school math, rather than getting over enthusiastic about number theory or some major insight into prime numbers, might actually be more beneficial, psychologically and spiritually, that is.

While my weltanschauung may appear to be quite depressing, dismal, and apathetic, I would argue that such a humble approach might actually be conducive to a very special and personalized kind of learning where we may come to "own" what little genuine understanding we have in a very real and powerful way ...

I think you and I have a certain grade of will that makes us particularly well-suited to this kind of individualized engagement with mathematics that requires we maintain a stubborn contempt for the metrics and hierarchies imposed upon "mass education" by the economic forces of the corporate gods of this realm.

Speaking for myself, I am trying to harness just enough humility to be able to acknowledge the difficulties involved in genuine learning and self-education.

I am relatively detached from social justice movements.  I'm too concerned with hiding, holing up in a room with my books to scribble in pads, and, generally staying out of trouble.

Who am I to "meddle with the primal forces of nature"?
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2017, 11:33:00 am »
   Contemplation can be understood as an activity that aims not to change the world or to understand it, but simply to let it be. Being receptive in this way is no easy matter.
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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2017, 03:26:42 pm »
Herr Holden,
I apologize for you giving a response to your post. I was and still am in very low mood. Those moods that make getting up from bed very difficult. Once again thank you for your words. Stay safe there. Raúl

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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2017, 11:17:34 pm »
Raul,

Do you find peace when sleeping?

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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2017, 01:28:14 am »
Senor Raul,

Thank you for writing. You don't have to write everyday,but please do write when you feel like it.
I hope and pray that you would feel better soon.

Get well soon, my Paraguayan friend.
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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 02:20:07 pm »
Herr Holden,
Thank you for your response. I feel like a zombie surrounded by demons. What is this planet Earth? A laboratory where we are the experiment,  a zoo, a madhouse, a slaughterhouse? All of them? I hear some say that they are happy. With so much suffering in this Earth, can you be happy? Can you avoid insanity in this insane world? Using computer terms we are given a software (brain) with consciousness just in order to realize that we are slaves, prisoners, meat. We come with artificial intelligence like a robot. I wonder if I am not a robot myself with all these questions downloaded into my program. This human coop or human farm is owned by cruel and infernal beings and they must be laughing at us all the time. How is it possible that only a minority like you and Hentrich can realize these horrible truths while millions of people just follow their genetic programming? Take care, you and Mr.Hentrich. Raul

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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 11:16:43 pm »
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This human coop or human farm is owned by cruel and infernal beings and they must be laughing at us all the time.

This is very profound.  It is said that those of us who are most paranoid may be the most aware.

Is there a way to flip the script on the infernal beings who are laughing at our anguish, despair, and confusion?

Let's say, suppose they think the way to get me to want to commit suicide is to convince me that I have insufficient memory, or that I never knew what I thought I knew?

I once entertained such a paranoid idea, that after losing my position as maintenance worker (low level state slave), my "success" in returning to college and getting the degree might have given me a little too much self-confidence, and so I had to be dragged through the mud to be put back in my place: homelessness, being placed in environments where I was likely to succumb to heavy drinking and smoking krack - do you know these types of places? 

Anyway, besides all that, in order to receive assistance from the government for housing, food, and "allowance", being required to get on a van each day and transported to "day programs" where we were treated like we were mentally deficient.  The whole process may have been designed to fill us with doubt about our actual identity.  We were coerced into taking psychiatric medications and told every day not to drink alcohol, which only made us want to drink alcohol that much more.   

What I am saying is that, how we feel about ourselves at any given time may be very tenuous.  It has so much to do with how we are perceived, how we are "classified", "categorized".

So how might we flip the script on those who may be taking pleasure in witnessing our distress and confusion?

Maybe we begin to doubt that we even know who we really are.   

This might explain why I want to start over with mathematics.  I want to see just how difficult and challenging the material was that I was studying as a teenager so that I might have more respect for why I was so filled with doubt.   Suppose I still have some mental blocks?   If we suspect there are those who take great pleasure in witnessing us gradually go insane over the decades, then a way to flip the script might be to consider the possibility that we are in fact insane, that our tormentors have proved to be too clever for us, and have ultimately mystified us and have colonized our minds.

I know, this is a victim's mentality.  How would this help us to flip the script? 

Well, for me, it might mean calling myself stupid or braindead.  It might mean imagining that some cruel and infernal beings are shooting radioactive beams into my brain to make it more difficult for me to study.   Am I suggesting we become more paranoid?

I am saying that we have these narratives in our heads about our lives, about who we are, about our experiences, etc.   How do we know it has all happened as we remember?

How would I ever remember anything I might have looked at in a book 35 years ago, especially if nothing in my life required me to ever recall or look up that knowledge?   

The way I am flipping the script is, now that I know there is no practical use for pure mathematics, and now that I see how I have turned out to be a useless eater, one who thinks too much to be made useful to society, I can go back and really try to get into all the useless mathematical concepts I might have not taken too seriously, even if this means hunting down old vintage high school books that have long since gone out of print since they do not teach with that kind of formality and rigor these days.

Maybe feeling stupid will make me smarter, whereas feeling smart makes one more manipulable.

We each have our own peculiarities.

Have you ever considered the possibility that Life itself, Mother Nature even, may be this cruel and infernal being? 

I have been in the woods in the rain and felt mocked by Nature itself.

Society ("God") and Nature overpower and humiliate us.

Maybe the only real way to take away the delight we imagine our tormentors enjoy at our expense is to just be resigned to the certainty that we will be ground into dust in the end.

Again, I guess I can forever only speak for myself, but I suspect I will worry much less about how little I understand if I just become resigned to becoming less and less intelligent in my own eyes, to wake up from all delusions and just be this distraught living creature who wants to understand some things that no one really seems to care about.

I get frustrated putting up posts and fence and building something to raise a vegetable garden.   We want the garden so we might save money on food over the summer, harvest some tomatoes for sauce ... some spinach, zucchini, cucumbers ... and - do you know how depressing it is to spend so much money on the posts, the wire fence, the lumber to raise ground up out of water?   And then also to realize I need fasteners and a saw to cut the wood?   I get discouraged easily and very frustrated.   Everything seems difficult and just not worth doing.

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What is this planet Earth? A laboratory where we are the experiment,  a zoo, a madhouse, a slaughterhouse? All of them? I hear some say that they are happy.

And it is not just our circumstances that makes our lives so difficult.    The reason why Schopenhauer's views are so powerful for me has to do with the way he has discovered this anxiety and frustration built into the very fabric of existence itself.  In other words, there is no escape.  There is no salvation from this. 

The reason why Holden and I find some comfort in this comfortless philosopher is because it kind of saves us from going completely insane.   When we see the world through the eyes of Schopenhauer's great brain, our frustrations, insecurities, disillusionment, and outright horror begins to MAKE SENSE.    We are not these freaks which the cruel and infernal "conventional" and "well-adapted" make us out to be.   They also experience life to the dregs, but they are too frightened to talk about it, to admit it.  They fear the insane asylum.  They do not want to expose themselves as being vulnerable in any way!

It takes a certain type of courage to contemplate upon the world as it truly is, and not just the way we wish it were.   

I like Holden's theory about the impossibility of making any progress when it comes to mathematics.  We may understand something for a long time as long as we are thinking about it all the time; but should we not focus on it for awhile, we forget it, and if we want to understand it again, we will have to think about it for a long time again.

There is so much delusion and self-deception on the individual level, and hence, so much farce, fraud, and corruption in human society.

In another age, people like us who just blurt out how we feel, who question the lies on which the social order is founded upon, would have been crucified or burned alive or sacrificed to the Head God of the Mother Culture.

The way I rebel is I study math as much as I can stand it, and I try to get used to feeling stupid or uncertain.  Why?   Because I value inner-honesty more than I value "self-esteem" or "false pride".

The stupider I allow myself to feel, the more I will appreciate learning if ever so little!

On the other hand, I suspect that those who walk around feeling they are very clever and have little to learn might find it impossible to think critically when necessary, or may not be on the look out for stupid mistakes.   At least I am intimate with how easy it is to make stupid errors and to do stupid things.  If this can be ascribed to carelessness, than over-estimating one's competence or capacity makes us more likely to overlook such errors.   It could be that I am involved in my best thinking when I have this "feeling of being stupid", for it is only then that I am breaking things down into excrucuating detail.

I wish I could help you to laugh about how unnecessary our suffering is.   I don't mean to suggest we take the horror of existence lightly, and I am not saying there is anything funny about our pain, confusion, or despair.  Maybe there is a liberating kind of laughter, the kind of laughter of a madman who sees that our suffering is unnecessary, that we do not need to exist.  Life is unnecessary, and so it's all unnecessary.

Sure, it's pointless (and unnecessary) to try to save money on food by building a garden that costs more to build than the vegetables that we grow in it would cost in the market place!   Maybe there is an unquantifiable thrill of eating vegetables you see growing from seeds.

Sure, it is pointless (and unnecessary) to study mathematics that will never be used to earn one dollar or to grow one tomato (except for basic geometry when putting up fence and spacing the plants).  In general it is pointless (and unnecessary) that we exist at all, that the cosmos exists.  None of this is necessary.   How does it continue to propagate itself?    Our own lives are our biggest problem to us!

And so I want to engage in useless activities like thinking about the absurdity of it all.

Holden escapes the horror by reading horror literature.

I escape the nightmarish sense of ignorance by facing my own ignorance, a little at a time.

It makes me more patient with others.   There are many who prefer not to know, many who hate anything having to do with "book learning".  In fact, it is considered "cool" not to want to learn about certain things.

I guess I prefer to be very uncool, to be unhappy.

That's it!  The trick is, the way to flip the script on the cruel and infernal beings who mock our vain and futile struggles, is to prefer misery and unhappiness, to be resigned, you know?

Take care Raul and Holden and Maughan and whoever else has the patience to read such crazy talk that I write here.

Peace.  May you all find some inner peace and some reprieve in this life.


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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2017, 03:19:26 pm »
Herr Hentrich,
I am back sharing my strange thoughts with you and Holden and the other readers of this blog. Peace in sleeping? No, peace at all. When I get up that we are only biological machines designed by a very truly evil engineer. I did not ask to be born, to come here and above all put into container that is aging very fast. I did not ask to be labeled "Paraguayan, male, Catholic country, half blind, single, etc.etc. I was not requested my permission. And when I die and I found there is another life, I will still continue to be a slave because after all the owner demands the obedience of its property. Take care of yourself. Raúl


P.S. My computer is not working well so I type very short here.

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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2017, 04:26:43 pm »
Thanks for continuing to communicate with us here, Raul.  As contradictory as it may sound, your views give me consolation and perspective.  One of the worse things anyone can say to me is "lighten up".   I respect your view of life and I appreciate the way you do not pull any punches when you critique our predicament.


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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2017, 10:45:53 pm »
And when I die and I found there is another life, I will still continue to be a slave because after all the owner demands the obedience of its property.-Senor Raul

I have to say,I have said the same thing to myself innumerable times,Senor Raul.
Human life maybe a meandering road to death.But,until we reach our destination,we are at war.A type of resignation is the core of my ethic.For me,resignation means accepting the fact to ultimate chaos.My goal is not the tranquillity pursued-and never found,I suspect,by Marcus Aurelius.Instead I suggest a way of life based on accepting perpetual unrest.
The scientist thinks that the human being can be studied like any natural phenomenon & yet the upshot of their work is that we are obliged to admit that our knowledge of ourselves cannot be other than highly limited.
Shaped by an animal struggle for life,the human view of the world is haphazard and slanting.For all we know,science could be a succession of lucky errors.Self-knowledge is even more problematic.

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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2017, 05:10:54 pm »
Herr Holden,
I should have typed "If I die and if I find out there is another life"... Thank you for your words. You see, Holden, we human machines were made to the image and likeness of our creators, that is to say, the demons. Our brains were designed by demons.Yes, we are also demons.  How do you see this demonic activity in the world? You see it there in India, Hentrich sees it in New Jersey or the others in different parts of the world. We are cruel like our creators. Polluted rivers, air, oceans and streams and no forests, slave work and slave wages. Don´t we pollute our cities and towns with our horrible bodies by urinating, taking ****, farting and eating? We are pigs. Endless wars with mad generals like General Bipin Rawat eager to launch the Agni rockets, coup d etats, shootings,sacrifice of children, politicians, and businessmen looting the public money, famine,  Yesterday a 24 year- old boy was arrested for raping and getting pregnant a 10 - year old girl. The little girl rejected the baby because she is not aware of having a baby. Nothing new. This reminds me of our endless selfishness, stupidity, madness, pure and sheer madness. Arent´women incredibly selfish and criminals? But they follow their genetic programming. Maybe if I were a woman I would renounce to marriage if I were aware of this insanity. Then men are accused of being sexual predators, violent in the family, etc. But I admit females are deceived and manipulated into accepting that happiness comes with marriage. Husband and wives slaves to this imposition. But of course men and women will not renounce to pleasure. Pleasure through sex is inserted in humans. We are in heat 365 days.We urinate and have sex with the same member. What happens when before sex you take a ****?  The females were born to seduce, have sex and thorugh sex bring a slave into this "funhouse" and of course males fall into the trap too. Yes, sex,sex,sex is everywhere. Sex machines in the death trap. We reduce our "love" to our offspring and relatives. This is not love,it is pure and sheer possession. Also our jealosy is part of the programming. Didn´t Jesus say people to love everybody? Yes, this insanity is not seen by the optimists, the pro-life, the politically correct. They like and enjoy the human condition, the human misery.   Take care of yourself. Raúl

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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2017, 10:51:17 pm »
Senor Raul,

Thanks for your response. Last night both my nostrils were packed shut with mucus & I had a terrible headache as well .As I lay down to sleep,suffocating for air to breath, I prayed that this cold virus I am infected with were a fatal one.
No such luck,I opened my eyes in the morning again. :-\
For what? To sneeze and to suffer.

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Re: Physics of River Channels
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2017, 03:58:08 am »
Senor Raul,

You are a very deep thinker.Yes,it is true than human beings are primarily animals.We can be sure of one thing- almost everyone wants to cause us harm,grave harm.

Have you watched the Purge? In the movie,crime is made legal for some time & everyone starts to try to kill everyone else.
Its very real.

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