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Holden

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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2019, 02:53:59 pm »
Senor Raul,

Most of my time is spent in doing pointless tasks.And yet isn't breathing pointless too? I keep thinking of how van Gogh and Cioran both adopted French as their primary language and spent a lot of time in the same places, thought many years apart. There is a similarity here that goes beyond the common tongue and place.

While Cioran wrote and wrote and wrote about failure. van Gogh failed and failed and failed.I read somewhere that when Sartre was holding his court in one of the cafes,Cioran sat quite aloof. I ,too, have never been impressed by Sartre. He always comes across a pompous man.
When my brain is tired ,like it is,at the moment, it comes up with weird things.

To fail and to fail repeatedly.After a while the man falls in love with the failure. Grows protective towards it and keeps it right by his side,always.You speak of Church Fathers,thousands of years back,quite of few of them, maybe called the Desert Fathers, left the towns and went to the desert and I for one would like to see what they saw, feel what they felt, I suspect Ciroan saw and felt something similar and so did van Gogh.

To be a desert father..and to die of a scorpion bite -now here's something I aspire to.To look at the clear blue sky, the merciless Sun while the scorpion poison spreads throughout the body and while it moves towards the heart..

And then to bless the scorpion with one's dying breath.For the true God, if he is to be found  anywhere at all, is more likely to be found in the desert scorpion's poison than in the sacramental wine.

To be a church father, ensconced in a small monastery cell and at the end of one's life realise that the Cross he prayed to, for the whole of his life,was really an ax.

Raskolnikov's ax.

Take care.
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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2019, 05:45:18 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your response. Yes, breathing is pointless and yet it is necessary. We also need to sshhit, to drink water, to sleep, to eat, etc. Our bodies are fragile.

I write of death constantly and yet I fear it much. Survival is hardwired into our brain’s hypothalamus. One may believe that there is an afterlife but even so our human bodies are not very eager to find out exactly what that could be. Death is something that only happens to others until you experience it when someone close to you departs.

There is nothing much I can say about Cioran and Van Gogh. Many years ago I read a biography about Vincent by an author called Irving Stone. I also wrote your comments about this tormented man.

Yes, the Desert Fathers left the towns and went to the desert. I suppose it must have much easier for somebody to go to a retreat and meditate in those times.You have to kill your senses in order to be an ascetic. You have to have abstinence from sex, from pleasures, from food, from human companion, above all, abstinence from life.

I suppose I would not be able to endure a life as a monk in Mount Athos. There women and female animals are banned (except for cats, which are useful for controlling the rat population). The monks eat little dairy and cheese and fish sometimes. Prayers take up most of their time. They clean the guesthouses, make wine and renovate the Orthodox monastery.

I read that in the state of Kerala there exists the Sabarimala temple. Women between the ages of 10 and 50 are banned.

The Gnostic teacher, Basilides, said that Christ didn’t really suffer on the cross. He switched places with Simon of Cyrene and stood aside, laughing at the folly of those who believed the world was real, while the unlucky Simon died in his stead. The Bogomils hated the cross because Christ died on it and in their eyes the cross was the symbol of his torment. They rejected procreation and marriage. They despised work, riches, honors, social distinctions.

Below there is a story you and the readers of this blog may find interesting. It is about Sayragul Sauytbay, an Uyghur woman who was jailed in China´s gulags and her escape.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216

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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2019, 02:49:26 pm »
Senor Raul,
I have some minutes of clarity every other week, I try to read essays or program some math function in spirit of Mr. Hentrich to stave off the horrors that I inhabit me but it is all pointless.

The body is all there is, as Hentrich says "the truth is in stomach". I had to watch some P0rn yesterday, and while stimulating my member, shaking to get off. It occurred to me what the nature of this force that haunt us, It is really seems otherworldly but It is real;  the possession phenomena in the exorcists films are not fiction, It is as real as this body. there is something sinister in the body that flareup every now and then, intellect and rationalization are mere toys against it.

there is a cease fire at my parents place. half of people in that area left their houses and went bit far from the fire line (around 200,000). There is no end to the horrors

stay safe and hide from the crowds

Suffering is the only fruit of human race

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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2019, 06:39:09 am »
Ibra,

Thank you for your words. I hope the cease fire lasts longer where your people are. As you say there is no end to the horror.

Yes, like you I watch ppoorn to stimulate my member. The body has urges that are impossible to contain. Even if one becomes a eunuch the urges are still there. Yes, the truth is in the stomach and in the dddicck too. We are not to blame for having these sexual urges. We were made this way. Made to suffer in this madhouse called Earth.

Holden once mentioned the Manichaeans. They believed that sparks of light dwell in plants, stones, and dirt, as well as animals and humans. As a result sexual intercourse was forbidden because it perpetuated the imprisonment of the light in matter; they could not eat meat or drink alcohol. They could not engage in agriculture, because the acts of plowing and reaping were believed to injure the tiny sparks of light that were embedded in the soil and plants. Even bathing was forbidden because it would hurt the light imprisoned in the water. For the Cathars, with their Manichaean heritage, sex imprisoned the sparks of light in the darkness of matter.

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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2019, 07:11:05 am »
Senor Raul,

Fever. It makes me tremble. A whole night of mastur-bation could ,well,shake up any one. Much vigor and yet even more weakness. Of the flesh and of the spirit. Solved sums related to inequalities.

The birds are chirping as they always are. Perhaps would be the doing the same the day I finally decide to take my leave of  this wretched world. Often I get teary-eyes writing these short posts here.I want you, to know, that life is not worth having, under any circumstances. None. And yet I breathe. And yet I mastur-bate.

Take care.


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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2019, 09:30:52 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your response. Your posts are worth reading many times. I am sure there are many who read these posts without writing in the board.

In this so-calle age of eternal optimism someone saying that life is not worth having will be viewed with suspicion. If we, you, were in the army of life, we would be court-martialled. Insubordination to life is severely punished. I read that in the army of India a lieutenant has an insignia with two five-pointed stars. So Liutenant Holden, all the fake medals (career, marriage, money, etc.) will be taken away from you and you will be discharged with dishonor, as they say in the military.

Like you I breathe and I masturbate. My imagination is filled with lust. The drama is in the mind. I read that the Desert Fathers digged up the corpses of old girlfriends and hugged them to free themselves from the desires of the flesh. In these modern times that measure would not be effective.

I mention some basic things I read about the Gnostics. They felt that the body is born of pain and it will die in the same way. It hungers, thirsts, needs shelter, craves sex, power, possessions, comfort, excitement, and can be a tyrant. Indeed we are slaves. The Gnostics believed that fasting, physical endurance and restricting the hours of sleep were the methods to discipline body. To them sexuality resulted in pregnancy and childbirth, and another being would be brought into the world. The baby would be a prison for a seed of light from the divine realm called the Pleroma.

Some say that life in the countryside is better than in the city. You have a better mood or a better disposition. I doubt it but I think life in a city makes you think that there is something deeply wrong with life and the entire universe. In the cities you see civilization as it truly is. Existential or philosophical issues thrive in the towns or countryside.

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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2019, 02:20:03 am »
Senor Raul,

I was alone in a cemetery when a pregnant woman came in. I left at once, in order not to look at this corpse-bearer at close range, nor to ruminate upon the contrast between an aggressive womb and the time-worn tombs – between a false promise and the end of all promises.

Cioran

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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2019, 06:38:28 am »
Holden,

Thank you for sharing these words by Cioran. I read them before but his words are worth reading again.

Today it is very hot. More than 40 degrees Celsius in the city. I suppose it must be hotter there.

 Those who constantly think of suicide were already born dead, with a tragic death awaiting in some part of his routine, awaiting patiently and silently as a she-wolf to take what is hers. These are the words I read somewhere.

I read also that author Stefan Zweig was deeply affected when on his visit to Soviet Russia in 1928 he saw two things in Leo Tolstoi´s  house. Zweig saw two objects: a big rope with a letter addressed to him by a woman, unable to endure Tolstoi´s gloomy views on life, and inviting him to use that rope in order to end his torment.
I think I exist just by inertia.

Stay watchful.

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Why Aporia Solves Nothing
« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2019, 05:46:10 pm »
Senor Raul and Herr Kaspar,

Cioran advises us to "wallow in Eternal Trifling".He is quite right.  Pyrrho says something similar and he calls it aporia.But there is big difference between the two ideas. Cioran knows,in his very bones, understands how painful existence really is, it is ,for the want of a better phrase,"an empirical or a metaphysical truth" that just cannot be denied.

Pyrrho and the skeptics like to say that we just don't have enough evidence to claim anything. This is where they differ from Schopenhauer and Ciroan and even Mr. Gary. Mr.Gary time and time again says there is no denying the evidence that existence is intrinsically painful.He expounds upon Benetar's asymmetry argument.

I think optimists, are ,quite frankly, fools whose arguments we should not even dignify that with a response.It is the skeptics and the believers who worship at the temple of Aporia,the Pyrrhonists who are the really dangerous ones. They are the ones who should be responded to,with the full and combined fire-power of Schopenhauer,Ciroan, Herr Kaspar and Mr.Gary.

We need not be dogmatic and yet we need to make sure that the gems which we possess are secured.

And if I am foolish enough to follow Pyrrho leaving aside Schopenhauer,my coughing fits are frequent and intense enough to make me realise what a blunder I am committing.

Cioran ,after saying"wallow in Eternal Trifling" , ends the sentence by adding,"for when a being,becomes incarnate,it turns grotesque."


Take care.



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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2019, 02:51:06 pm »
Senor Raul,

Thanks for the response. You mention the Russian writer Tolstoy, I have read most of his short stories, at least the prominent ones and also his novel,War and Peace. I would like to read his Confessions wherein he is said to have written something to the effect that he might wanted to end it all but finally he did not go through with it because he ,in some fashion, found "God".

In one of my recent posts, I mentioned the desert fathers who led secluded lives in the desert and just thought about existence the whole day long.As Cioran, says, existence counts on us on not thinking too much or too deeply upon it,that is the only way it could perpetuate itself.

I remember when I must have been around 17, waking up in the middle of the night and reading War and Peace.That was quite an experience.At that point of time I was not ready to meet you and Herr Kaspar, that was to come later, much later. Perhaps I would not even have appreciated what the two of you have to say, back then. But I still remember writing in a note-book, some melancholy lines,from the novel. There are quite a few of them in fact,in there, if memory serves. There is this one fellow called Pierre who is ,on the one hand trying to kill Napoleon on his own and on the other hand is having some strange and weird mystical experiences.Thanks for reminding me about this.

I just looked it up and I think I might have found the very lines I wrote in my little note book circa 2003.
"Rustic trees, your dark branches shed gloom and melancholy upon me."
" On another page he drew a tomb, and wrote:

*Death gives relief and death is peaceful.

Ah! from suffering there is no other refuge."


Well,take care and I hope your eyes are better now.

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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2019, 06:47:02 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your words once again. Many times I have written comments in this board that makes no sense at all. Crraap really. That is why I reread some posts and deleted them.

When you were 17 I was heavily drinking most days. If we had corresponded at that time, I would have not understood any of your deep thoughts. I was braindead and still am, but maybe less. This is an insane world. Earth is a landfill where humans are sent to.

Those lines about Leo Tolstoy I took them from a book written by a Spanish author called Toni Montesinos. The title of the book is Melancolía y Suicidios Literarios The paragraphs about the Gnostics I read them in a book called The Gnostics by a French author called Jacques Lacarriere. I think it was much easier to go and stay in the deserts for the hermits or anchorites than now.

I mentioned once a Colombian author called Mario Mendoza. He wrote about his meetings with a hermit called Manuel. He said in his book that Manuel had been living as a hermit in a house on top of a tree in a town called Saverna near the border with Venezuela and that he got sick. A tumor began to grow in his throat and he decided not to follow any treatment. He was prepared for death and he even desired it. To him it was not a tragedy; it was a solution to a life he considered exhausted. He died some time later after his last conversation with Mendoza. Do I see myself doing what Manuel did? Not really. I want a fast exit.

Stay safe.


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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2019, 07:14:34 am »
Senor Raul,

For the last week or so I feel very tired.I keep a piece of cloth next to me to spit my mucus.Then I run to the wash room to vomit whatever I eat or drink.Cannot seem to hold down anything.
Yet for the company work I run all over the city, spitting, coughing,vomiting.(Not a drop of alcohol involved)
It got so bad that my parents took me the doctor.They ran a few tests- blood works,chest x-ray,they collected the muck I puke out.
That's why I couldn't write.Coughing all the time,spitting and vomiting.

Tomorrow I will get the test results and doctor's interpretation.

It's a tropical city where I live and must have all kind of bugs.
Anyway,having read Schopenhauer and some of Cioran is really helpful in such situations.
I always kept all the windows closed and while it worked while I was in rural areas ,in my city it does not work.
I just started keeping the windows open.It helps me breath.

Take care.
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From the Sea of Semen to the Sea of Saliva
« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2019, 07:30:24 am »
This is what happens when the world in itself collides with the world for humans.
I find that the vomit-slippery,frothy,could be looked upon as the world in itself asserting itself.
The fact that I have no free will is a consolation.I was thinking about all the semen ,down the ages, it must have taken to push me forth into this world.
In effect, I have emerged from the Sea of Semen and now drowning in the Sea of frothy Saliva I produce myself.

I have read cases wherein the patient broke his own ribs due to the intensity of coughing or literally coughed out a small part of one of his lungs.
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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2019, 07:51:40 am »
There is a great deal of similarity between the primordial slime which threw me out ,to the vomit I throw out.

I have seen the hyneas and the scavengers who look for a sick animal.
No bed rest allowed.Phone allows buzzing with work related demands.
I am drinking cranberry juice.It seems to help me with my coughing a little bit.
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Re: Mistro Prison Cell
« Reply #59 on: November 03, 2019, 08:06:15 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your response. It is understandable that you could not write. From what you write your health condition is complicated. I hope you recover but it will take time. You are young but your body will heal. I sometimes have bronchitis and sinusitis. Coughing is really bad.

Here we have a subtropical climate. Now the heat is unbearable. 40 and 45 degrees Celsius. They are warning that a new wave of dengue is coming. I already caught dengue 3 years ago. Our city is filled with garbage. I suppose it is the price of consumerism.

You say that you have emerged from the Sea of Semen and now drowning in the Sea of frothy saliva. I think we have emerged from an ocean of semen and blood. This Earth is soaked in semen and blood.

Once again I hope you recover ASAP, as they say in American English.