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Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2019, 06:27:11 pm »
Linked to from Nihilism thread.

Somewhere Raul had made the observation that this burden of exessive consciousness is in no way a blessing.

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Designed to work, procreate, sleep, and die, human beings find themselves with enormous abstract reasoning capabilities beyond their need.   With the ability to recognize that life is painful and without demonstrable meaning, human beings are forced to find ways to bind or dull their intelligence or suffer enormous existential pains (Ligotti 2011: 41).

There it is:   Survival of the dullest intelligence.   Honest contemplation and deep reflection are detrimental to our health.   No wonder we feel so frustrated.  Our entire life is science fiction horror, where we pour our hearts out about what we are experiencing only to be met with self-deceiving liars who pretend to not understand what on earth we are talking about.

I'm for calling these liars out.  I'm for intellectual honesty. 



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How very paltry and limited the normal human intellect is, and how little lucidity there is in the human consciousness, may be judged from the fact that, despite the ephemeral brevity of human life, the uncertainty of our existence and the countless enigmas which press upon us from all sides, everyone does not continually and ceaselessly philosophize, but that only the rarest of exceptions do.”

~ The Wisdom of Life and Counsels and Maxims (1851)
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Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2019, 07:16:12 am »
I do want to "ceaselessly philosophize".
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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #17 on: May 21, 2019, 05:24:37 pm »
    Hentrich,

    Thank you for your response. Yes, being born is bad luck. What I wrote is nothing new. I think you must have said them before but in a different way. Holden, I am sure, said them but also in a different way. Others in this blog too.

    As you say, none of us are exempt from the basic horror of existence. I am often accused of being the permanent immature, the perpetual adolescent. It is unbearable to put up with responsabilities, the social weights and obligations. The whole world changes jobs or work and performs incredible activities.

    I know that one day I will die and that everything is ephemeral, fleeting, and that nothing in reality has much weight or substance and that we are caught in a demonic dream, a dimension of irreality. We think that things, ideas, affections and that we ourselves will last forever when the truth is that we are temporary beings, we are just passing by here. We do not matter much. My death is around the corner and when I vanish from this Earth nobody would remember me, nobody would miss me, nothing of me will remain. I am not sure but this is one of the factors that most bring children to this world to avoid this crushing feeling.

    I read this following story in a book, Buda Blues, by a Colombian author called Mario Mendoza:

    “In many countries in Asia the apes are hunted by leaving for them a giant and appetizing banana inside a trap. They come down from the trees, seize the fruit and because of the size of the fist they can no longer get their hands out of the hole. There is only way to get it out and that is by putting the fingers together and get the full fist out. That way they would get back to the trees and freedom. They can´t. The object of desire, the attachment, the possession, keeps them prisoners. The hunters arrive, hit the apes in the head and they die holding the banana. In Zen it is said that the banana is sex, money, power, ambitions, beauty and pain. In short the banana is the ego. Most die without being able to let go, without releasing their self, stuck to it. There  it is the root of suffering.”

    Drive safely and keep studying.

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    « Reply #18 on: May 22, 2019, 01:28:49 pm »
    I  don't value  originality.What  can be original in  this world?The  more  I read  philosophy the more I  get   convinced   that  Schopenhauer  was right.  In  the beginning  I  used to  get  disturbed whenever  I  read  something    contradicting    him but  now  I rather  enjoy it , for I  can see   where  exactly  the author is  committing a  mistake.

    As   I  got out of  the subway station in   the evening today,  I  started to feel  very  heavy  hearted. We are  all really  vicious  animals. That is what we  are .   Without  you  and  Schopenhauer    I  would most  likely  have  got  lost    in   all   the  confusion   that  surrounds me.

    I  remember,about  10 years  back when  I  had  just  started  working,once  thinking  to  myself  that  the   rich and the   successful will make fun  of  me even on  my  dying  day. I  no  longer  feel that way. You  have opened   my  eyes.   

    But  I  remain  a very hateful man, like a dog  that  was   brutally beaten  everyday with  a  whip when it   was   a  little puppy, I  rush to bite  everyone.
    The  fact  that  I   could  know  you    and   Schopenhauer assures me  that  no matter what  misfortune    I    run  into in the  future, my    life  would  not have been a  complete   failure.

    La Tristesse Durera Toujours                                  (The Sadness Lasts Forever ...)
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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #19 on: May 22, 2019, 04:45:51 pm »
    That's truly scary.  In so many ways, that creeped me out.

    Thanks?   :)
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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #20 on: May 22, 2019, 11:53:45 pm »
    Our very quest for salvation is a torment, the subtlest, the best camouflaged of all.
     -Cioran
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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #21 on: May 23, 2019, 12:05:57 am »
    See Ariel Pink Trace a Glam-Punk’s Twilight in ‘Dayzed Inn Daydreams’ Video

    Thanks for digging this up.  It has left a permanent impression upon my Lebenswelt, an impression not easily forgotten.   The entire image lingers --- has an aftermath.   Cioran would have appreciated it.   The stocking shelves in grocery store was among the creepiest scenes.   Upon viewing it a few more times, it became less and less creepy, and I got it.  The rock/punk/pop/glam image-projection strongly contrasted to the reality of being Walking Skeleton Man who visits his mother in the Nursing Institution, while moonlighting in an Asbury-Park-NJ-esque pub as a Rock Freak.

    The story behind the video was more impressive than the actual music.  I might try viewing it while LiStEniNg to dIArY oF a maDmaN:



    UPDATE:  It is synched well.  You can start Diary of a Madman with volume up, and have plenty of time to start Dazed Inn Daydreams with no volume (mute on).  It synches up much better, giving less "mockery power" and more Kafkaesque daymare ...

    I would go so far as to say that, if you mute A.Pink's music while playing Diary of a Madman fairly loud, then viewing the Dazed Inn Daydreams entire clip to Osbourne/Rhoads music gives the main character in the video-story slightly more dignity, though there is no denying the tragic irony and ugliness the poor man undoubtedly radiates.   Those beers in the morning were still delightful to the creature, and of course, the tobacco.

    2 B or NOT 2 B?

    Not 2 B, only one B with 2 C.

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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #22 on: May 23, 2019, 09:22:43 am »
    I behold myself as some kind of wizarding monk who is documenting a forgotten experimental approach in introducing proof-based abstract mathematics to high school students.   The subtle changes I inject into the solutions gives me a sense of creativity, but a strict adherence to the formal presentation of the algebraic structures and computational methods adds the "monk" dimension to it.   

    That is, unlike someone such as Arthur Schopenhauer who spoke 7 different languages and was financially independent, that is, one who was able to make use of his economic status to gain intellectual, mental, and spiritual independence, I may be more rough around the edges with limited mental capacity who is drawn to the computational mathematical methods, but who must struggle to maintain the rigor of "formal pure mathematics."

    Keeping this in mind, I see what a Razor's Edge it is, that there is another life, another option, cracking beers in the morning, shuffling through the work-a-day world, then living some kind of delusional fantasy in a half-drunken state at night.  The freaks come out at night, right?

    But I have been spared such a fate thanks to my being tone deaf, where my singing is not "entertainment," but more of a gutteral animal emoting.  So, after the smoke has cleared, in an almost novelesque way, this aging creature, not quite ancient, but certainly beyond its prime, returning to those "school mathematics texts," honoring the material in such a way, adds a kind of Joseph Campbell MYTHS TO LIVE BY dimension to this otherwise mundane and redundant ritual of breathing in and out.

    To be a freak of Nature is not a choice.  I think that being a freak with a rich inner life may be infinitely less depressing than one who is compelled to engage with the social fabric, or even to offer oneself up as passive entertainment, to be poked with a stick like a circus gEEk in a cage.

    I would say that developing a love for solitude, almost a requirement for serious reflection and contemplation; that is, for the development of a mental life, would spare those the fate of being sucked up by the music industry fantasies ...

    All in all, I suppose we are all monsters if we viewed ourselves honestly.   Creepy senstive imbalanced monsters who eat and poop and decompose.
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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #23 on: May 23, 2019, 02:02:28 pm »
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    I imagine that were I to get "cancer" and turn into a walking skeleton, both you and Holden would encourage me to celebrate the news as my days would then be numbered.   
    -Herr  Kaspar

    Were that to happen I   would  still  continue to  come  here   and  write  posts to  you  everyday even  after your "numbered  days" were   over very much  like Hachiko  .You  have  saved  from  such   a  terrible ,suffocating  deep  and  agonising darkness  that   I  cannot thank  you  enough ever.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachik%C5%8D



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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #24 on: May 23, 2019, 10:26:54 pm »
    Holden, were you able to view the Dazed Inn Daydreams video (no sound) while listening to Diary of a Madman (starting it about 20 seconds prior to sarting the video)?

    They synch up well, and give the poor protagonist rocker at least a minimal amount of Dignity.

    The Hackik clips are quite the tear-jerkers.  They caught me by surprise.   :'(
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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #25 on: May 24, 2019, 09:53:51 pm »
    Yes, the two songs sync together  rather   well.

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    Re: Limiting the content of consciousness
    « Reply #26 on: May 29, 2019, 11:09:46 am »
    I really wish I would become more like you and Schopenhauer.
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    Schopenhauer and the Wild Years of Philosophy
    « Reply #27 on: May 30, 2019, 05:19:25 am »
    Herr Kaspar,
    I would   like   to take the liberty of suggesting to you and your nephew the following book-
    Schopenhauer and the Wild Years of Philosophy

    Rüdiger Safranski
    Harvard University Press, 1991 - Biography & Autobiography - 385 pages

    This richly detailed biography of a key figure in nineteenth-century philosophy pays equal attention to the life and to the work of Arthur Schopenhauer. Rüdiger Safranski places this visionary skeptic in the context of his philosophical predecessors and contemporaries Kant, Fichte, Schelling, Hegel--and explores the sources of his profound alienation from their "secularized religion of reason." He also provides a narrative of Schopenhauer's personal and family life that reads like a Romantic novel: the struggle to break free from a domineering father, the attempt to come to terms with his mother's literary and social success (she was a well-known writer and a member of Goethe's Weimar circle), the loneliness and despair when his major philosophical work, The World as Will and Representation, was ignored by the academy. Along the way Safranski portrays the rich culture of Goethe's Weimar, Hegel's Berlin, and other centers of German literary and intellectual life.

    When Schopenhauer first proposed his philosophy of "weeping and gnashing of teeth," during the heady "wild years" of Romantic idealism, it found few followers. After the disillusionments and failures of 1848, his work was rediscovered by philosophers and literary figures. Writers from Nietzsche to Samuel Beckett have responded to Schopenhauer's refusal to seek salvation through history.

    The first biography of Schopenhauer to appear in English in this century, Schopenhauer and the Wild Years of Philosophy succeeds in bringing to life an intriguing figure in philosophy and the intellectual battles of his time, whose consequences still shape our world.
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