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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2020, 04:06:01 pm »
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my request to Senor Raul and Herr Hauser and to the others is to tell me if there is anything which I can say to the girl, which makes her reject me, it cannot be anything  blatant,like I am already in a relationship with another woman, because then they will report me to my parents,it will have to be subtle, and it should convey the message to the girl that she should avoid me like a plague.

I did a little research on arranged marriages in India, and came across disgustingly trendy labels such as "Generation Z" ---- what's next?  What generation comes after Z for these buzz-word gorts?

To be frank, I became mildly depressed seeing the images of the youth, the young 23 year old professionals.   I realized that I was in no position to offer any advice.   I know that Hermann Hesse's father had placed him in some institution (as a teen), where he was with imbeciles … in order to crush his rebellious spirit.

Just to be sure I did not make this up in my sleep, I will verify.

From Hermann Hesse Web Magazine:

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Two revolvers stuck to the wall of one room recall Hesse’s flirtation with suicide, which began when he was a teenager. He bought his first handgun at age 15 in a mental clinic where his austerely Pietist parents had put their rebellious son after he escaped from a Protestant seminary.

Next to the arms [was] a letter in which he accuses his father of having robbed him of “the zest of life.” By then, he had already long decided that he wanted to “become a poet or nothing at all,” as he would remember in his résumé.
 
His first novel, “Peter Camenzind,” a back-to-nature call in response to growing industrialization published when he was 27, was already a success — as was the life of Buddha and reflecting Hesse’s studies of Indian and Chinese philosophy. It was only with “Steppenwolf,” his novel about a romantic anti-establishment loner, that Hesse found relative peace, according to Zimmermann.

The publication of “Steppenwolf,” on his 50th birthday, can be considered as a symbolic end of the hellish journey, Zimmermann writes. Hesse has reached the highest degree of self-awareness and self-discovery possible to him.

I can't help but wonder if there would be a young woman on the other end of the line who was as reluctant to be "hooked up" to you as you are to her.   Ironically, maybe that would make for some kind of peaceful resolution.  That is, you both might conspire to appease the parents and meet now and then with full awareness that you both are determined to live as individuals who may have something besides human fodder to offer this world.

I'm sorry.  This world, society I mean, is just too damn stupid for words to describe.  I am sure I would be viewed as one fucked up farang.

Of course, if you tried honesty, this could be disastrous.  I mean, if you explain how you really feel about life, like Dostoevsky's Underground Man, this might not only repel her (which is what you say you want), but could give your parents ammunition to use against you.

I know how aggravating it can be for others to wrongly assume you are lacking something when not seeking the same things they seek or sought.   You want to get to the heart of the matter.   Please resist the urge to end it all, once and for all.   

You might explain tp the prospective female partner that you have such sympathy with the next generation that you do not want to put yourself in a position where you would replicate your genes.  You know that laying together often enough, relieving the sexual impulse on a somewhat regular basis, it may only be a matter of time before this occurs.

Let her know that you are a serious thinker who could be suicidal.

Most importantly, do not follow my advice, but try to just be yourself.

Surely you are not alone in your rebellious stance.   Maybe the girl will catch on and choose to be your ally rather than conspire with your parents.

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Re: Interview with Jim Morrison
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2020, 04:30:28 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your words and the quotes. Do not force your eyes. Here I was supposed to change my glasses last year but they are expensive. If I break them there is no way I can buy new ones. I also have to pay for the appointment with the ophthalmologist to get the prescription.

What you are going through right now with your family is really bitter and sad. We are living dangerous times and your family makes it more dangerous for your physical and psychological wellbeing by resorting to these tricks.

I cannot give you any suggestion since I have never experienced anything similar to what you are going through. I only hope you endure this emotional onslaught there.

Indeed as Van Gogh says “sadness will last forever”.  We will face Saint Death when he/she comes to take us. There is no escape. I would like to depart fast from this slaughterhouse.

I read once that an author called Sherwood Anderson and his fourth wife went on a South American cruise with playwright Thornton Wilder aboard the liner Santa Lucia. Anderson liked martinis, often served with an olive speared on a toothpick. Somehow he swallowed a toothpick while drinking, and the next day he fell ill. After suffering abdominal pains for several days, he was diagnosed with peritonitis by the ship’s doctor, and the captain made port in Colón, Panama, where he was taken to a hospital. He died there on March 8, 1941 at the age of sixty-four, of the massive infection caused when the toothpick perforated his intestine.

I say that is a very painful way to leave this Earth.


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Re: Interview with Jim Morrison
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2020, 12:34:51 am »
Holden: "Is there anything which I can say to the girl, which makes her avoid me like a plague?"


Have you tried sneezing and coughing while on the phone?   :D
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Re: Interview with Jim Morrison
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2020, 09:22:31 am »
Thanks a ton, Herr Hauser and Senor Raul.I am about to make the call.Will tell you what transpired soon.
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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2020, 02:44:14 pm »
Herr Hauser and Senor Raul,

There are so many poor people in India ,that it seems, many girls would like to marry me,though they might not find me physically attractive nor find any commonality as regards our thoughts-merely as a means to financial security. What they fail to understand is that I dont  mean to continue working till I am sixty.
The last girl I talked to told her father that she is ready to marry me,even though during the entire conservation I spoke in English & she can barely string three words together and I told her that if she is married to me then if and when I am transferred to a remote region she would have to leave her job.It turns out that she WANTS to leave her job and live as a housewife.

They are just poor people who will do anything for some kind of financial security.They dont care if I am forced to work as a wage slave to get the money they want.No,they wont care one bit. They dont care what categorical or predicate logic maybe.They understand only the logic of the stomach. They dont care about truth tables and logical constants and quantifiers only about the bread and roof over their heads.

They dont care if I am suicidal. That every morning  I cannot say if I would make it even till the evening. They dont care about modal logic or Boolean logic-all they want is a husband who provides for them-food,shelter,clothing, and never-mind  if he has to sell his soul to the gort in order to get the all mighty dollar.

Fortunately for me, I am a married man already.Married to Lady Philosophy and a better bride there has never been.

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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2020, 06:35:06 pm »
Extremely well stated!
Your writing is powerful when you are serious.

Then again, if it were not for the selling yourself into slavery until old age, you might not mind a companion as such as long as you were under no obligation to bring sentient life into this predicament.

This is why Schopenhauer's take on existence is so compelling for me.  He does not get all "enthusiastic" about "all the progress in mathematics."

Many enthusiasts. myself included, may find mental stimulation and, indeed, even wonder, in the art of problem solving using mathematical concepts and algorithms, but this does not answer the question of whether life is worth living, or not.

Only the heart seems to be able to determine such difficult to quantify or "mathematize" philosophical questions.

Life appears to be unendurable.  Why so few thinkers are willing to face this squarely says something about social pressures the world over to "keep up a good front."

I believe Schopenhauer's financial independence may have given him a little more courage.  That is, he was not groveling before the Lords trying to impress them with a shiny new Computer Algebra System.

He was free to rebel.  Mathematics education demands years of devotion --- Many would find it more than a little weird for a man to choose to study the art and craft of mathematics without a gort-sanctified REASON or commodification.   One might as well prepare to be locked away in the madhouse just for having the audacity to think this might be an option.

I totally understand why you might resent selling your soul for the security of another, especially if you, yourself, have doubts about the desirability of continuing to breathe, eat food, and defecate.
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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2020, 06:31:58 am »
Holden,

There are so many poor people in Paraguay that many girls or women would like to marry anyone with a regular job. They are almost your words. It is a different country but the same attitude.

Here these girls or women won´t understand that you won´t continue working until you are seventy-five. Specially now that almost 70 thousand people lost their jobs up to date. 

But in my view most men will become jobless and they will do the housework. They will be the househusbands. When women come back from work the men will give them a little joy in bed. Women love life so much.

Most men will become suicidals not because of existential issues but because they won´t endure this situation. Fucckk them, fucck me too. We directly or indirectly supported this evil system and we deserve what is coming.Like most people I am also a two-faced fraud. Anyway the government has a body bag ready for me.

The CCP virus and the government are crippling the economy.  Years ago the government at that time wanted people to retire at 75. Arbeit macht frei were the words at the entrance of Auschwitz and other concentration camps. Work makes you free. We find “virtue” through labor.

This is not a world where a human being can blossom. On the contrary we are born to be crushed. More and more I envy those who left Earth when they were young. Let us make a monument to COVID-19.
Stay married to Lady Philosophy.

P.S. Below is the link. From minute 0:16 to 7:50 the people speak Hindi, I suppose, but with subtitles in English. You must see this everyday but for us and the readers of this blog is most interesting. It was taken from a YTber in Spanish.



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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2020, 11:45:50 pm »
very depressing, raul
thank you!   :D

[I am NOT being sarcastic.  I have been thinking about shit more and more lately.]  ;D

How humiliating it is to be a living human being.  I pray for us all, even though I don't believe anything is listening to such prayers.  I pray people, including us, might endure the humilations life has in store for us.   It is difficult for us not to despize ourselves.

Maybe not all of us are designed for living in this world.  Holden had stated in another thread that, "They can feel it in their bones that we are not playing the game any longer, that we have opted out of the Great Human Project."


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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2020, 08:15:16 am »
Senor Raul,
You are right,in the video they do speak in Hindi. You are undoubtedly an antinatalist genius.It does not make any difference if your compatriots don’t recognize you.As I often tell to Herr Hause-truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his home town.

Siddharta would agree would with when you say  that the vagin_a is a blackhole.


He says:
Sexual intercourse is unseemly, out of line, unsuitable, and unworthy of a contemplative; improper and not to be done... Haven't I taught the Dhamma in many ways for the sake of dispassion and not for passion; for unfettering and not for fettering; for freedom from clinging and not for clinging? Yet here, while I have taught the Dhamma for dispassion, you set your heart on passion; while I have taught the Dhamma for unfettering, you set your heart on being fettered; while I have taught the Dhamma for freedom from clinging, you set your heart on clinging."
"'Worthless man, haven't I taught the Dhamma in many ways for the fading of passion, the sobering of intoxication, the subduing of thirst, the destruction of attachment, the severing of the round, the ending of craving, dispassion, cessation, unbinding? Haven't I in many ways advocated abandoning sensual pleasures, comprehending sensual perceptions, subduing sensual thirst, destroying sensual thoughts, calming sensual fevers? Worthless man, it would be better that your peni_s be stuck into the mouth of a poisonous snake than into a woman's  vagin_a. It would be better that your peni-s be stuck into the mouth of a black viper than into a woman's vagin_a. It would be better that your peni-s be stuck into a pit of burning embers, blazing and glowing, than into a woman's vagi_na. Why is that? For that reason you would undergo death or death-like suffering, but you would not on that account, at the break-up of the body, after death, fall into deprivation, the bad destination, the abyss, hell..."
Quite a rhetorician that Buddha guy.
I tell you the truth,even my sexual fantasies have died down since the day that girl told to my parents that she would gladly marry me.Something inside of me resists perpetuation of my bloodline, its the same thing which brought me to Herr Hauser and to you.
We are like the X-men and our superpower is the potential to end all suffering once and for all.
You and Herr Hauser are the best teachers one could possibly ask for, you are a Paraguayan /Spanish National Treasure-right up there with Caraventes & Ortega Y Gasset & Unamuno  and he is a German national treasure.
I am sad because Buddha would rend his garments if he were to see that his land is soon to be the most populated one in the world.He would be full of grief.
I am most fortunate to have you and Herr Hauser as my teachers and mentors.

Thanks for everything.

PS: When everyone sings this:


Senor Raul sings this:
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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2020, 03:17:48 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your response and the musical videos. I am only a scribbler. The words of the Buddha are very powerful. We do not like our smelly and sShitty bodies. They destroy our self-esteem. That is the reason we use perfumes, cologne, after shave, and body lotions. Here if you do not have those expensive items you use lemon in your armpits to hide your “fragrance”.

We like beautiful faces but not what is behind. The youtuber, whose video I took, in Spanish also wrote: “Stop praying women´s assess because of out there comes the filthy ssShit.” Unfortunately that is what most of us, including me, do. Women´s assess are our obsession. It is part of our biological chip.

Someone in his blog wrote these words in Spanish: India y Colombia, asquerosas letrinas”.  India and Colombia, filthy latrines. He should have added more countries.

What people do in the beaches of Mumbai we do it here in the homes and offices in the city. We do not have many public toilets and most resort to urinating behind the trees or in the corners. I did that last year when I had urinary infection. One thing is clear: our bowels stink like hell.

The will to sex, as you know, is very strong. In the digital newspaper, Extra.com.py I read this headline: Una esperanza en medio de la crisis; un nene nació en su casa. A hope in the middle of the crisis: a baby was born in his home. The baby weighs 3 kilos. The indigenous mother is in good health and she is recovering. This event happened in Alto Paraná on the border with Brazil. Indeed we are living strange times.

Stay well.

In the link you and the readers of this blog you will see people with funny face masks.



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« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2020, 01:40:08 pm »
Senor Raul,

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Against-Reality-Evolution-Truth/dp/0393254690/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
In the book called The Case Against Reality,the author says that -Our perceptions of space,time and objects were shaped by natural selection not to be veridical -not to reveal or reconstruct objective reality -but to let us live long enough to raise off-spring,perception is not about truth ,its about having kids.

Senor Raul, the fact that you can see the woman for what it is, is nothing short of extraordinary. For most men, it is their most priced possession.Most men spend the whole of their time, resources,indeed the whole of their lives in the service of a skirt .Not because they are stupid.But because they see the skirt as the ultimate prize..
The problem with you and with me, is that the blindfold,which is supposed to shield our eyes, has somehow malfunctioned...we can see all of existence in its true colours.We recognise the absurdity,the pointless suffering..

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Re: Interview with Jim Morrison
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2020, 04:12:38 pm »
Holden,

Once again thank you for your response. Today is Slave Day. I remember when I was 7 or 8 years old I saw my parents in the act of coition. Coition is a ridiculous formal word. I suppose that led me, as years passed, to have dark thoughts about sex. A few years later I asked my mother for the meaning of the word in Guarani of sex. She did not say anything as far as I remembered. It is/was a forbidden territory.

As we are forced to wear face masks, I say that most of us wear invisible masks to shield our eyes and ears from many ugly truths. One of them is what I hear when some doctors say about saving lives. That is a half truth. They will postpone our deaths. Saint Death is waiting to catch every single one of us. He is a very patient guy.  Maybe tomorrow he will see me being killed from behind with a knife or a machete or gun if the CCP virus does not hit me.

This reminds me of the pictures of those Aghoris, the anchorites in India who, you know, follow the god of death and procreation, Shiva. Their begging bowls are human skulls and they smear themselves with excrement. It is said they devoured charred corpses.

Dying and killing are part of the game. The entire Earth is a field of death.

Stay safe.

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Re: Interview with Jim Morrison
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2020, 04:21:41 pm »
Nice find there, Holden. We can possibly add that to the repitoire for our own Case Against Reality.

Here's what neurophilosopher Thomas Metzinger has to say:

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Thomas Metzinger: Selves are a very interesting and vivid and robust element of conscious experience in some animals. This is a conscious experience of selfhood, something philosophers call a phenomenal self, and is entirely determined by local processes in the brain at every instant. Ultimately, it’s a physical process. The best way to describe self consciousness is as a representational process: an image that is sometimes generated in the brain. Sometimes it’s not generated, for example in dreamless, deep sleep. It’s a very fragile and vulnerable, intermittent phenomenon, but there is no metaphysical entity such as the self which could exist independently of the brain.

Michael W. Taft: Yet the experience of being a self, of being someone, is very persistent.

Thomas Metzinger: It’s the robust phenomenology of the self—the very convincing sense that we are somebody—that makes this misunderstanding so very easy for beings like us. I think the self is an intermittent and complex process, but not a thing. This is not a dramatic statement or dramatic theory. I would guess that most cognitive scientists, neuroscientists, and almost all philosophers today would subscribe to the idea that is there no thing or substance like the self that can exist independently of the brain. In science and philosophy, the a concept of such a metaphysical self is long gone.

But somehow for our life in the world, the feeling of being a self is very important. One important function is mortality denial, I guess. We like to believe in an innermost essence or core, because it allows us to deny our finitude, or at least leave an open door of hope for life after death. And that’s also why it’s not going to go away. I think the notion of self is going to stay in our everyday life and in our culture.

Looks like we're trapped.



"And the strict master Death bids them dance."

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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2020, 06:53:00 pm »
 Fashion the sublime miracle of the human face, the veritable goddesses that beautiful women are, to bring this out of nothing, out of the void.  To do all this, and to combine it with an anus that shits ... It's too much.  Nature mocks us.

found here ... reading from Becker's Denial of Death?...

It's very creepy if one ponders too long upon it, that skeletons wrapped in sinews lurk beneath, not to mention the creaturely experience of our own animal bodies.

Our bodies do not belong to us.  Our bodies belong to the Will-to-Live, the Great Black Swine that is Legion … or All Organic Life …
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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2020, 09:25:40 am »
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Mr.Silenus,

Thank you for your message.I am not surprised that the Statist authorities have made the most of this pandemic and love giving orders.I am hiding in my own little cubbyhole and hope that you are safe and have some leisure to think deeply.

At the end of each day, I feel a little better for I reckon that now I have to live for one day less.People like me were not meant for a world as cruel as this one.

 Mr. Gary has a new podcast


Schopenhauer once wrote that it was a tragedy that the world’s three great pessimists – “Byron, Leopardi and myself” –were in Italy at the same time but never met.

I,think, you,Herr Hauser and Mr. Gary are the worlds greatest three pessimists of our age and are in the same region of the world and I would love to see the three of you engrossed in a discussion while I hide a corner of the room and eavesdrop on the discussion.

Take care my friend.
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