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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2019, 02:46:36 pm »
Well,I am glad to hear that your nephew is safe.In all of this I would  like to underscore the  fact  that we  are  all  bereft of free-will of any kind.
The world  is what it is. There  was a time when I was really into biographies and in all of them there was only one common denominator I could decipher-suffering.

The very thought of the whole of existence and even the whole of my own life is enough to drive me to morbid thoughts.





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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2019, 09:36:07 am »
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As for the help from religious organisation and tutoring ,well, it may all be non-sense sure but one could still be an atheist and a true maths scholar and yet take a little advantage from these gigs.

I kind of get what you are saying, but to be honest, I can't stand those who push religious activities as somehow beneficial.   Do you really think people who center their lives on one charismatic philosopher from Bethlehem can be trusted?   Snake oil salesmen, like astrologists and fortune tellers.   "Do you read the Bible?   Do you know Jesus?"  Such questions make me hostile.   Remember the HL Mencken quote?

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One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected. …[This] convention protects them, and so they proceed with their blather unwhipped and almost unmolested, to the great damage of common sense and common decency. That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly. Nor is there any visible intellectual dignity in theologians. Few of them know anything that is worth knowing, and not many of them are even honest.


Still, I guess I get what you are saying.  Although I would not join a religious order simply to be able to study and teach mathematics.   It might be more tempting in my old age, but maybe I won't live so long as to have to make such a decision. 


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Also, very sorry again if I hurt you in anyway.
Maybe you could ask you nephew that he could come but he should not interfere with the lifestyle of the two of you.

I mean if he comes to see you just for 2-3 days then it might work out.
He may feel better also.

I am not sure why you think that you had hurt me in any way.  I agree that a 3 day visit would be great for us, but my nephew struggles to pay his rent and my mom and I are just getting by.   Maybe this summer he may make it this way, but right now, a visit is not possible.

I was just curious why you thought my feelings were hurt.   I'm just allowing myself to practice radical honesty here.     Forgive me if I seemed upset. 
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Re: ForbiddentruthBlog
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2019, 02:36:39 pm »
No  worries.I  am  reading  Ramanujan's biography-"The man who  knew  Infinity".Its all quite interesting really.
Like I often  say ,life is more strange and  more  horrific than any  fiction.

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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2019, 06:27:41 pm »
I am often consoled by the thought that Ramanujan disliked writing "proofs."

The older I get, the more humbled I become by the sober realization of the limitations of my capacity to fathom just a small fragment of interesting mathematics.

Do you think a great deal of humility might make our existence less horrific?

Do we have any control over how overwhelmed we become at times?   

We can't get away from ourselves.
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Re: ForbiddentruthBlog
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2019, 02:17:21 pm »
Do you think a great deal of humility might make our existence less horrific?


I'd say a kind of  stoicism could be of some  help.Think  of a rock which just does not mind all  the  waves   splashing all over  and around  it.
Pain is nothing personal.Suffering is nothing personal.Its just a part of the job description.We signed up  for it   when  we  landed on this planet. :P
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Do we have any control over how overwhelmed we become at times?   


We have about as much control as a  driver in a  car with no steering  wheel   or  brakes  or  gear.  How does   a  robot who  knows its a robot act?
Just like  any other  robot ,if  observed from  the  outside.
Honestly, I  do not think  we  have any agency at all. What  is that old-fashioned word? Oh,yes.Grace.

Over here,  people  are  almost ready  to embrace   fascism.They( the  much  esteemed "middle-class")  are  also  decidedly  anti-pornography.Most  of the sites have been  banned. No,   I  guess  ,they  want  us to do  the  "real"   thing ;D

I read a comment today  wherein the  writer says-"growing up I wanted  to   be like Batman, but  now, well,  now, I understand  Joker."

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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2019, 03:15:39 pm »
Like the slightest push can bring a  house  of cards tumbling down, so we  make  our  plans,  misfortune   can ruin   it  all   in  a moment.
The  city I live  in  is  a veritable sea  of humanity.Where  ever one  may look, all   one would  get to  see   are  the  teeming millions.

They  are like maggots. They  will suck  the carcass of this planet dry. I,am of course, one  of them.They  know only two things-how  to  feed and how to breed.
That is sufficient for  them.The movies here are like a pile of stinking repellent   goo.

Recently, I  read that they were  selling   dog meat as chicken in   the restaurant all over   the city.Sure,why not? Might as well be honest about it.
Eat everything that moves or does not  move. This city is one big mouth with a lot of razor sharp teeth.

What  did they say in Germany?   If you cannot  fight them,join them. Well, a lot of people  have.Religious  fanaticism  is one big magnet    which is attracting millions of weak-willed men and women.They  wish to submerge their identity into that of  the Religion.

Its like a black  hole which is gorging  on stars and planets.How  many couples all over the city must be copulating  with abandon (but without  rubber) even as
  I write this?Thousands.
Today,if  I  am  any kind of a revolutionary, I am a revolutionary   against the  revolution   which led to the emergence of sentient life.

What do I want to be when I grow up? A rock. A rock that  just sits  there  for millions and millions of  years.
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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2019, 05:56:22 pm »
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Like the slightest push can bring a  house  of cards tumbling down, so we  make  our  plans,  misfortune   can ruin   it  all   in  a moment.
The  city I live  in  is  a veritable sea  of humanity.Where  ever one  may look, all   one would  get to  see   are  the  teeming millions.

They  are like maggots. They  will suck  the carcass of this planet dry. I,am of course, one  of them.They  know only two things-how  to  feed and how to breed.
That is sufficient for  them.The movies here are like a pile of stinking repellent   goo.

Recently, I  read that they were  selling   dog meat as chicken in   the restaurant all over   the city.Sure,why not? Might as well be honest about it.
Eat everything that moves or does not  move. This city is one big mouth with a lot of razor sharp teeth.

What  did they say in Germany?   If you cannot  fight them,join them. Well, a lot of people  have.Religious  fanaticism  is one big magnet    which is attracting millions of weak-willed men and women.They  wish to submerge their identity into that of  the Religion.

Its like a black  hole which is gorging  on stars and planets.How  many couples all over the city must be copulating  with abandon (but without  rubber) even as
  I write this?Thousands.
Today,if  I  am  any kind of a revolutionary, I am a revolutionary   against the  revolution   which led to the emergence of sentient life.

That was very poetic and graphic.  I am honored to be among your few confidants in this realm.

In a thrift store, for about one dollar, I had found a small coffee mug made of thick glass with a rudimentary map of the globe on it the outer surface.   In the morning, I find myself wandering the cup with my eyes, wondering what Holden of Northern India is up to, and also often wondering what Senor Raul is up to down there in South America ... My eyes wander around that area between Europe, Africa, and Asia ... I become curious about Ibra and what exactly it is about the correspondence on this message board that draws the few who have found us to return now and again to take some kind of interest in what it is we post here.

I fully sympathize with how you (Holden) feel about the teeming masses.   The horrific aspect of the masses is that each certainly experiences the same hunger pains as I do.  By design, through no fault of our own, we are each and all condemned to have to eat to live, and, as a species, along with all other biological organisms, must reproduce in order for the species to exist.   

I am repeatedly amazed at how weak the body becomes when it needs food.  I wonder what it would be like for the grids to shut down, the trucks to stop hauling groceries, the farm machinery (both mechanical and human) to cease producing FOOD for the masses.

We are always kind of here existing by the skin of our teeth.   Eventually, the sun "expires."   Isn't that a relief?!   

I never cared for Freud since i resented him for not giving Schopenhauer credit for concept of "the unconscious"  [will]; but his idea about a secret death wish in all organic life, how it longs to return to an inorganic state, well, this idea of Freud's really strikes me as quite liberating.   I mean, you just said it, Holden.  You want to become a rock.  The ancients believed in the Rock People, but we do not want to be people at all.  We just want to be a life form that must be totally unconscious.

I share your longing for death's warm embrace often.   One thing that might make the teeming millions less horrific (maggots!  coc-kroaches!) is to acknowledge the dissatisfaction inherent in their condition.    Isn't this kind of the way Schopenhauer resolved his disgust for pitiable humanity?  Is it possible to actually have compassion for the teeming millions seeing as how we are all wired to eat in order to remain alive?

What we have done, what Schopenhauer and probably countless others of our species (and even outside our species) have done, is to rub our eyes in astonishment at the spectacle we are apart of:  They  will suck  the carcass of this planet dry .   Yes, we will at least try to do so, and then there will be no more nourishment for all us maggots, and we shall die with our Host at last.

Yes, stone cold reality is far stranger than anything Bollywood or Hollywood can come up with.

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I read a comment today  wherein the  writer says-"growing up I wanted  to   be like Batman, but  now, well,  now, I understand  Joker."

This reminds me of Zamyatin's (author of WE) ideas about Lucifer being, by far, the most heroic character in the Abrahamic mythology.   I forget where I was reading about this, but it sure isn't too difficult to reimagine the character of Satan in the epic poem “Paradise Lost” as a hero, daring to rebel against God’s unjust tyranny.   Similar sentiments are expressed in My Hero, Satan.
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Re: ForbiddentruthBlog
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2019, 03:25:56 pm »
Hentrich,

As always I read your words and Holden´s words too. That also includes Silenus, Ibra and other readers in this blog.

Next week in Paraguay people celebrate on Tuesday Independence day and the next day Mother´s Day. Two nonsensical celebrations. But they are good for business and for the banks and supermarkets. Good for consumption. Most buy Paraguayan small flags and lots of things for their mothers and grandmothers.
Mother´s Day saddens and embitters me.

Yesterday very heavy rains fell on this city and in the countryside. The rains shook this ugly, dirty and abandoned city. More damnificados (victims of the flood) are getting some assistance. Today I saw a young woman holding a baby asking for some coins in the avenue. Not the first time. At the same time there are women selling fruits or items, powder soap, cookies, detergents, coffee, yerba mate, they smuggled from Argentina in the avenue.

I know a guy near here who took his mother to a public hospital. The lady suffers from diabetes. Her condition got worse and the doctors had to amputate her leg. The man sells fruits and lemons in front of a supermarket and his 68-year old mother used to sell things in the cemetery in the city. Now she cannot do that any longer and she uses a wheelchair. He told me that he and her sister would do their best to take care of her. The little money they got for the medications came from polladas or chicken barbecues where people gather together and buy a piece of chicken to help the family. Most do that very often here. Life is sad. 

I read an article about Russian Zamyatin. I hope to read him one day. He was in the inspiration for novelists George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. You maybe already know all this. He was a maritime engineer who built the first Soviet icebreakers in England. He wrote that “true literature can exist only where it is created, not by diligent functionaries, but by madmen, hermits, heretics, dreamers, rebels, and skeptics”.

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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2019, 09:14:50 pm »
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As always I read your words and Holden´s words too. That also includes Silenus, Ibra and other readers in this blog.

Raul,

Yes, I too read carefully what is posted here.  I had not mentioned Silenus since I believe he is from upstate New York, relatively close to where I am (at least on the map on the coffee cup), a place I associate with beautiful mountains whose winters I would be hard pressed to survive without a vehicle for gathering necessary supplies.   I know it is possible to live in a yurt in the mountains, but one would always be at risk of being arrested for "squatting"  (I think that's what it is called).   It is against "the law" to build a yurt or any kind of shelter on the land since, in our "world" certain people supposedly own the land, or the government "owns" the land … 

It is certainly not against Natural Law.  I mean, it is possible to live in a yurt in the mountains, although such a life is certainly not easy.   There are those who prefer living off the grid without any assistance from the government even if they risk freezing to death in the mountains. 


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I know a guy near here who took his mother to a public hospital. The lady suffers from diabetes. Her condition got worse and the doctors had to amputate her leg. The man sells fruits and lemons in front of a supermarket and his 68-year old mother used to sell things in the cemetery in the city. Now she cannot do that any longer and she uses a wheelchair. He told me that he and her sister would do their best to take care of her. The little money they got for the medications came from polladas or chicken barbecues where people gather together and buy a piece of chicken to help the family. Most do that very often here. Life is sad. 

That is actually very impressive that such community spirit still exists that people have such barbecues to raise the funds for families in need.   Your post has me wanting to listen to 2 particular songs ... (And So Is Love (Life is Sad): Kate Bush with Eric Clapton on guitar; Indian Girl by The Rolling Stones).





Life just goes on and on, getting harder and harder …
Life just goes on and on, getting harder and harder …
   


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I read an article about Russian Zamyatin. I hope to read him one day. He was in the inspiration for novelists George Orwell and Aldous Huxley. You maybe already know all this. He was a maritime engineer who built the first Soviet icebreakers in England. He wrote that “true literature can exist only where it is created, not by diligent functionaries, but by madmen, hermits, heretics, dreamers, rebels, and skeptics."

You quote one of my favorite quotes.  I like where he wrote, "The best novels I never wrote.  I lived them."

I learned about Zamyatin's novel, We while reading Kurt Vonnegut's "Player Piano."   He admits that his book is a rip-off of (inspired by) We, and he also clued me in that We was also the inspiration for Orwell's 1984 as well as Huxley's Brave New World and others. I used to read Vonnegut novels compulsively after high school, during jail time, just prior to my accidental "discovery" of a certain Arthur Schopenhauer.  Player Piano was Vonnegut's first published book, in 1952.  It was considered Science Fiction.  I had to read it in English class as a freshman in high school (about age 14), but I would not read Zamyatin's We until about 15 years later.   There is a weird connection to mathematics in that book which is unique.   

"Now I no longer live in our clear, rational world; I live in the ancient nightmare world, the world of square roots of minus one.
~ Yevgeny Zamyatin

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Drive carefully.

At least 1 in 20 drivers in Dirty Jersey must be "demonic clowns."   One must drive defensively, and if driving a 4-cylinder vehicle, well, be extra careful since so many more "Americans" prefer the Big Fat Gas-Guzzling SUVs and Pick-up trucks since they have to haul so much STUFF to their Big Fat "Middle Class" McMansions (the so-called middle class is actually only about 15% of the population - I refer to them as the ass-lickers of the uber-rich, their Masters).
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Re: ForbiddentruthBlog
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2019, 02:34:08 pm »
Herr  Kaspar,
The honour  is  all mine.Really.While reading   Prime Obsession ,a biography of  Riemann,the   German mathematician  reminded me of  the prime number  game you  used  to play   with your nephew  when  he  was  a kid.

I  remember  asking my maternal  grandmother  when  I was about  7 or  8 the  meaning of the word   "is". I  remember  I   wanted to perplex her  and  I did    do  it.  It  is a verb  of  "being".My  English grammar   book defines  it  thus:"is shows a state of existence".

Such a  small  word(verb) and yet it has  such strangeness  (for me).

From    Prime   Obsession:
In the preface of Principia Mathematica,Whitehead and Russell note  that"The very  abstract simplicity of the ideas of this work  defeat language.Language can represent complex  ideas more  easily.The preposition"a   whale  is  big" represents language at  its  best,giving terse  expression to a complicated fact; while  the  true  analysis  of "one  is  a  number",leads in language, to  an intolerable  prolixity.A whale is,by any standard of complexity   that makes sense,  a  vastly more complicated thing than "five",yet its is much  easier thing  for the human mind  to apprehend...
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Re: ForbiddentruthBlog
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2019, 02:56:36 pm »
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« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2019, 05:58:05 pm »
Hentrich,

Thank you for your response. As I said people resort to these polladas,chicken barbecues, to collect some money for medical expenses. Private hospitals are very expensive. Last year one of the patient´s daughters said to me that one of the private hospitals in Asuncion, Hospital Adventista charges every patient USD 1,500 per day more or less if this person has to stay in an intensive care unit. Besides the family or the person in charge must make a deposit so that the patient can be accepted. Business is business. And yes life is sad.

Yes, you are right, the community spirit or solidarity still exists. But I wonder for how long. The situation is getting complicated for most. Fruits and vegetables are more expensive now. The government is going to raise the bus fares very soon. But “los perros”, still will get some money for the beer. We say los perros (the dogs) as an informal term for guys in Spanish.

So Silenus is from upstate New York. For someone like me who only knows about New York from the movies, I suppose New York must be an interesting place. Of course I say this not knowing how most of them get by. I was told that at least 7,000 Paraguayans live there. Most of them work in construction. Maybe some of them worked in Donald Duck´s Trump Tower.

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Re: ForbiddentruthBlog
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2019, 01:36:56 am »
"You will live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension." -Nikola Tesla
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« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2019, 01:25:38 pm »
Senor Raul,

The sky is weeping here  tonight   and shedding tears  over this  miserable  city. You mention the  community  spirit in one of your  recent posts.That was brutally murdered here long  back,I'm afraid.Here the city's motto is(  and you will  find it everywhere here)-dog eat  dog,every  man for himself and God against all ;D

Its  wilder  than the  wild   west.You  see  zombies  all  over the city  panting for gold.Panting for  flesh,lusting for  blood.

There  are beggars  all   over the city looking for a crust of  bread,right next  to the palatial  hotels   where the rich  frolic.

I am sorry,Senor Raul, but I have  never known anything  like  the community spirit.
All I know is  the spirit  of  mutual  hatred  embedded within humanity.

Keep well.


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« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2019, 08:14:54 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your response. Yes, every man/woman for him(herself) and God against all. I must have heard many times that one should start making one´s  mark on the world. But the advisable is to abandon it this wretched world. A relative told me that I should exit this world for sometimes uttering dark truths. I told this person I was going to die anyway.

I suppose the community spirit is an expression of the Will to Life. Maybe I am wrong. I agree with you that there is a “spirit of mutual hatred embedded within humanity”. It is in our nature as you well know.

That community spirit I wrote about will not last long. I am witnessing, as I understand, a controlled demolition of the Paraguayan state. Slow but steady. In the future, if there is one, using your words there will be more beggars looking for a crust of bread in front of the mansions where the rich and powerful frolic. Our mothers´ milk nourishes murderers and heroes at the same time.

Today I read that 10,000 liters of milk were thrown away by small cooperative producers because there are no roads to transport the milk in the Paraguayan Chaco. So things will grow worse. 

I do not blame the hands of the elite for what they do or what they are. I don´t understand why the psychologists or psychiatrists here and in the world do not diagnose these powerful bankers, politicians, financial tycoons for leaving millions of humans homeless. They are the ones who should fill the psychiatric hospitals. 

The little I read about Rome is that the Stoics said that the “The world’s a stage and life’s a toy,” and a Greek poet said these words:

Dress up and play your part;
Put every serious thought away
Or risk a broken heart.


Yes, this world only causes broken hearts.

Take care.