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E Prime (doing away with "to be")
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:04:20 pm »
I have only briefly mentioned Korzybski a couple of times, once in How to Attain a Studious Life: Slow Motion and once more recently in A Question About Philosophy Books.

 Something that had come from the General Semantics community:  E Prime.

The problem "is", I have a hard time writing about it using E prime.

As a curiosity, I wonder what you think of it.

I will list some references here and return when I am able to store on hard drive.

Working with E Prime (9 page PDF)

The original text is not available at Library Genesis, and a hard copy is too expensive; but I did find the PDF version at the General Semantics website for about $13 and am considering purchasing it. 

I'm running into a slight technical problem as i am running Linux, and last night Windows 10 did an update --- now the shared drive is Read-Only.  This happens every time Microsoft does an update.  I have to log out, boot into Windows and disable hibernation mode.


more about e-prime

rational wiki

c2: Eprime Language

Quantum Psychology (Robert Anton Wilson)

Is E-Prime much ado about nothing?

E-Prime Tutorial

Rewilding the English Language

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IMPORTANT NOTE:  The term "E-Prime" has been hijacked by commercial software for "Psychology Experiments".  This has nothing to do with the E-Prime of General Semantics.   
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 08:26:59 am »
Thanks for the links.I am not going to touch Hegel with a 10 foot pole.I am not going to get deviated.I am focusing exclusively on philosophical books recommended by Schopenhauer and you.

I like the idea of E Prime.Most of the disputes in the offices and marriages happen as people use the language the wrong way.
It is like using a monkey wrench as a magic wand.No,wrench is meant for a particular purpose,one cannot use it as a magic wand.

What you get from Schopenhauer is ,I believe,very ,very personal.
Only a certain  type of person can be his reader.

I have been able to learn so much from you only because we function on similar wave lenghts.
To a third person ,it might appear  as so much gibberish.

We have many,many social media forums todays and yet what do they all signify and say to me?Nothing.

Postscriptum:It has been more than 6 years I guess since the time I last partook of icecream.Let me put it this way-I am like Kafka's Hunger Artist.It is not so much that I avoid delicacies, it is that I do not have taste buds for them.

You might like to look up Kant's transition  from the metaphysical foundations of natural science to physics-Opus Postumum.
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Re: E Prime (doing away with "to be")
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 09:33:08 am »
I will download the 7MB pdf version from Library Genesis.

Thanks for recommending it.

There is also The Post-Critical Kant: Understanding the Critical Philosophy through the Opus Postumum.

Then, the three ctiques plus opus postumum.

I began reading Not to Be.  As I may have mentioned, it is a 64 megabyte file ... the book directly scanned so you can see the stained paper, which is actually kind of cool, I think.   The only restriction is that this is not suited for an ereader but must be read on a computer.

There is so much I am reading at night.  That's why I try to focus on math throughout the entire day since it is so easy to become so distracted.

I think you would find Korzybski interesting if you can get passed his "metaphysics/philosophy bashing" --- he's strictly "science-oriented".  In fact, simply implementing the use of E Prime might eliminate metaphysics in its present form.  Hence, I think, if we are to engage in this extensive reading of the transaltions of Kant's work, we might want to include at least a brief overview of non-Aristotlean general semantics (and e-prime [English minus the is of identity and verbs "to be"]).

See Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics

I had been into Korzybski and General Semantics back in the early 1990's before I became engrossed in Calculus, Physics, and C programming.  Now, I am curious to see if I might be able to alter my language a little.  it doesn't matter to me that E Prime never caught on.  I stand to learn about language just by looking into it, as far as not using the passive voice.

PS:  As for the ice-cream, I imagined you would not indulge in such a thing.  For me though, since I no longer imbibe alcohol, I like to get ice cream on sale as a treat.  I also found an espresso machine selling at less than one third of its cost due to damaged packaging.   

I thought that drinking espresso coffee might make me less irritable.  Well, no such luck.  It might be making me a little more hyper and anxious. 

There is no cure. 

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Re: E Prime (doing away with "to be")
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 10:05:53 pm »
The problem with the Upanishads is that there are more than 200 of them. How to determine which ones Schopenhauer was talking about.He is supposed to have read the translation by Duperron.I will try to trace that translation.
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Re: E Prime (doing away with "to be")
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 10:09:15 pm »
Over here fennel seeds are used as a substitute of coffee. One can chew them or make tea with them.
They do not give jitters and are completely herbal.

They taste really nice,particularly if chewed.They are quite inexpensive too.

https://www.amazon.com/Fennel-Seed/b?ie=UTF8&node=16321621
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Re: E Prime (doing away with "to be")
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2019, 12:00:28 am »
Communication Uncovered: General Semantics and Media Ecology, written by the "vice president of the Institute of General Semantics" (Korzybski's legacy).

The author, Corey Anton caught my interest in Chapter 2: Learning About Education Metaphors.

He points out correctly that many [gorts] are quite mistaken when they believe that education can be purchased.

Things They Will Never Tell YouArthur Schopenhauer has been the most radical and defiant of all troublemakers.

Gorticide @ Nothing that is so, is so DOT edu

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