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Amateur Debunks the Mathematics of Happiness
« on: April 11, 2016, 01:42:33 pm »
From an article in The Guardian

I was looking on what to quote and then realized I would have to cut and paste the entire article to do it justice.  It seems some professional academic had used advanced mathematics to support one of her claims supporting positive psychology, and this 53-year old student, Nick Brown, was able to debunk it, partly because he had nothing to lose in challenging the elite.

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Who was he to doubt the work of a leading professional which had been accepted by the psychological elite? What gave him the right to suggest that the emperor had gone naturist?

"The answer," says Brown when I meet him in a north London cafe, "is because that's how it always happens. Look at whistleblower culture. If you want to be a whistleblower you have to be prepared to lose your job. I'm able to do what I'm doing here because I'm nobody. I don't have to keep any academics happy. I don't have to think about the possible consequences of my actions for people I might admire personally who may have based their work on this and they end up looking silly. There are 160,000 psychologists in America and they've got mortgages. I've got the necessary degree of total independence."

This is, in effect, what Schopenhauer had: total independence.  That's why he was able to be so honest in his pursuit of truth.  I dare say that, because I am a nobody, I also have the necessary degree of total independence. 

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Armed with that independence, he went away and looked at the maths that underpinned Fredrickson and Losada's ratio. Complex or non-linear dynamics are not easy for an untrained mathematician to understand, much less work out. Losada, who claimed expertise in non-linear dynamics, was working as a business consultant and making mathematical models of business team behaviour when he first met Fredrickson.

"Not many psychologists are very good at maths," says Brown. "Not many psychologists are even good at the maths and statistics you have to do as a psychologist. Typically you'll have a couple of people in the department who understand it. Most psychologists are not capable of organising a quantitative study. A lot of people can get a PhD in psychology without having those things at their fingertips. And that's the stuff you're meant to know. Losada's maths were of the kind you're not meant to encounter in psychology. The maths you need to understand the Losada system is hard but the maths you need to understand that this cannot possibly be true is relatively straightforward."

Brown had studied maths to A-level and then took a degree in engineering and computer science at Cambridge. "But I actually gave up the engineering because the maths was too hard," he says, laughing at the irony. "So I'm really not that good at maths. I can read simple calculus but I can't solve differential equations. But then neither could Losada!"

He went back over Losada's equations and he noticed that if he put in the numbers Fredrickson and Losada had then you could arrive at the appropriate figures. But he realised that it only worked on its own terms. "When you look at the equation, it doesn't contain any data. It's completely self-referential."

Unfortunately, while his grasp of maths was strong enough to see the problem, it wasn't sufficiently firm to be able to mount an academic takedown of Fredrickson's and Losada's work. Yet that was what he wanted to do. Once he knew to his own satisfaction that their research was fundamentally flawed, he was not going to be content to let things pass. So he decided to seek the help of an academic mathematician. Not just any academic mathematician either, but one who had made a name for himself by puncturing the bogus use of maths and science in another discipline.

Losada had derived his mathematical model from a system of differential equations known as the Lorenz equations, after Edward Lorenz, a pioneer of chaos theory.

I will skip the details.  If you're interested, you can follow the above link.

Let's go directly to the bottom line.

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Sokal did a little research and was amazed at the standing the Fredrickson and Losada paper enjoyed. "This theory is not just big in academia, there's a whole industry of coaching and it intersects with business and business schools. There's a lot of money in it."

Then there was the lucrative lecture circuit. Both Seligman and Fredrickson are hired speakers. One website lists Seligman's booking fee at between $30,000 and $50,000 an engagement. In this new science of happiness, it seemed that all the leading proponents were happy.

But then Nick Brown started to ask questions.




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Re: Amateur Debunks the Mathematics of Happiness
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 06:17:14 am »
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The paper, as Sokal quickly admitted, was a hoax, a deliberate pastiche of the sorts of nonsensical postmodern appropriations of maths and physics at which French critical theorists particularly excelled – among them Jacques Derrida, Jacques Lacan, Gilles Deleuze and Julia Kristeva. A major intellectual controversy ensued in which postmodernists stood accused of pseudo-science, absurd cultural relativism and the concealing of ignorance and innumeracy behind obscurantist prose.

The actual paper written by Nick brown, Alan Sokal, and Harris Friedman: The Complex Dynamics of Wishful Thinking: The Critical Positivity Ratio

Can you believe there is actually a thing as graduate students in "applied postive psychology"?

Anyway, have you noticed that most the articles written about this paper are basically the same story?

Here is a case where I scratch my head.  While I applaud the efforts that went into debunking the erroneous mathematics behind "the critical positivity ratio," positive psychology itself, continues to be a big money industry, especially in corporate management.

The reason I scratch m head is because I think I would be able to follow my gut intuition and realize that the psuedo-scientists of postive psychology would eat shiit and report that it tasted like bacon if there were money to be made - anything for more careers, jobs, academic positions, research grants.

If we were to come up with a mathematics of misery, we would not require differential equations.  We would not even need calclus.

I think Schopenhauer used basic arithmetic, or just the concept of positive and negative.  What i love about his logic is that, even to this day, it is just so counter-intuitive to the common notions of "good" and "evil" ...

I just laugh at the confusion over the terms and delight that Schopenhauer makes so much sense to me.

Pain is what is positive.  Pleasure is negative.

When one is hungry, this is the positive suffering which makes itself felt.
When one eats food, one is NEGATING the hunger.

You have to laugh just thinking about how correctly Schopenhauer was using the mathematical terminology, and then laugh again when you consider the way most people use the terms positive and negative.

My approach to life is negative in that I do not seek happiness but try to avoid as much suffering as possible.

If someone takes a "positive approach" to life, I would interpret this as that the person is willing to risk facing extreme suffering in the pursuit of happiness.

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2017, 10:24:07 pm »
Yes, I think if one has read Schopenhauer,then one has,so to speak, a gold standard, a litmus test , with which any new psychology and philosophy can be checked.
La Tristesse Durera Toujours                                  (The Sadness Lasts Forever ...)
-van Gogh.