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Agent Smith - Matrix
« on: April 15, 2018, 04:05:22 pm »
I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren’t actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed, and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague. And we are the cure. Agent Smith

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2018, 07:32:29 am »
Herr Hentrich & Senor Raul,
My boss today told concerned authorities in writing that I need the help of mental health professionals.Well, now my icon on the forum has become even more painful. I wish I could have met the two of you in person. Well, on second thought,I am so shy that its better this way.

Keep well.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 08:06:03 am »
I know how it feels to have "concerned authorities" demanding a psychiatric evaluation.

It can feel quite intrusive and offensive.

Reading literature from a perspective critical to "psychiatry" can really help to keep things in perspective when people in positions of authority clearly wish to exert control over your behavior and attitude, when they want to basically "fuuck with your life".

I'm going to check out Mad Science: Psychiatric Coercion, Diagnosis, and Drugs from the library genesis "library generator".  Although its focus is on the army of at least six hundred thousand mental health professionals in the United States, I imagine the situation might be even more intense and complicated in India. 

Please protect your "spirit" for we are in a place where "spirits get eaten."  (Trudell).

I am fortunate to have had the opportunity to have exchanged ideas with you.

Maybe our discussions and your readings and meditations will help to armor you against those who might be forced by their overlords to get into your head.  Maybe they will find you a facsinating subject, or maybe they will be mean-spirited.  One can never tell.

If it helps you any, I found that when I was incarcerated,  one of the things I missed most was checking into this message board.

Take courage in facing these intrusions into your interior life.  Stare them down.  Do not cower.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 04:53:14 pm »
Holden,
These people, who are pressuring you now, don´t know what they are doing. Much worse they do not know what they are thinking. It is they who should see mental health professionals and not you. Supposedly they want to "help" you but what they really want is to punish you.

I am sure you are doing your best to stay strong and safe there.

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Herr Hentrich & Senor Raul,

Mindfuck definition: the deliberate infliction of psychological damage.A synonym for mind games for a manipulative abusive purpose(slang, vulgar) Something that intentionally destabilizes, confuses or manipulates the mind of another person.An experience that causes intense and usually disturbing emotion, such as shock, confusion, or fear.


I would say Herr Hentrich that you are an incredible amount of mental strength & thanks to you,so of it has rubbed off on me & is helping me a great deal. Sports,marriage, kids are traps for the simple souls like myself. Employment is something which, while knowing full well, its soul-destroying nature, I cannot avail ,for now.

However, your ideas have a tremendous, almost, magical  strength to them. I am not sure if I were not aquatinted with your philosophical ideas then I could have withstood their intense persecution which they perpetrate.However, thanks your profound ideas ,I am holding my own.

Senor Raul, thanks a ton to you as well, your posts,all of them are incredibly interesting & they depict the true state of affairs,something which the prime time tv & fake news channels would never broadcast.
As Herr Hentrich says,there is a place where souls get eaten.

Keep well.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 05:45:26 am »
There are powerful forces around that seek to destroy us & people like us-let there be no doubt on this matter. Insane according to what standard? If the standard is gortish then one must embrace insanity.It is the institution of wage slavery that is insane & that of matrimony. There are dark ,hidden powers that seek to manipulate our sexuality.

I think that is not just your"thought" or "philosophy" that is inspiring but also you"lived experience". To to persecuted and tormented is the common fate of all those who refuse to conform in every possible manner. Difference in thoughts,appearance scare more people.There is a conspiracy to keep people in line, to keep mathematics as arcane as possible.

What interests me a great deal is pre-scientific lifeworld. Of course,"they" want to pigeon hole me & if they cannot do that ,then I must be insane.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 07:29:46 am »
Holden,

My view and understanding of this miserable word are limited. You already know the true state of affairs. That is the reason you are being persecuted. You are not a simple soul. You are awakened.   

I know, better late than never, that we, human beings, are only puppets, pawns, prisoners, mannekins, dolls, slaves or gorts in this humancoop called Earth. We are at the hands, in my view, of powers, whatever their names are, god, gods, aliens, extraterrestrials or ultraterrestrials.

I understand that these entities come to their farm to oversee what their human creatures do. After all this is not our planet, this is their farm.

Once I understood that we are at the hands of vampires, well, life is no longer worth enduring. But I endure this life, how long I don’t know. But as Hentrich says this Earth is “where souls get eaten”. Very appropriate words to describe the slaughterhouse. That is what human beings are here for. To get eaten.

Once I read somewhere that all living beings are programmed to get old and then die. This is part of the necessary balance of the species. There is a phenomenon called apoptosis or cell suicide in our genes. The cells are programmed to commit suicide. It is said that apoptosis is necessary for the survival of the human species. The different genetic programs increase the death of the cells and stop their regeneration. This is what produces old age and then death. As they say in American English, this is a hhell of genetic engineering. Engineering to fatten this human prison. As Rust Cohle says this world is one big ghetto.

Stay well.

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018, 11:03:47 pm »
I have discovered a number of useful parallels between Kafka and Brentano's greatest student Husserl.Not to mention the fact that Godel was very interested in what Husserl had to say.
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Have you ever checked out the experimental science fiction story/novel by Colin Wilson called "The Mind Parasites"?  Wilson was taking a stab at something "Lovecraftian".  It is referred to as "the supernatural metaphysical cult thriller".

I am not kidding when I confess that my reason for reading that book is because the main character who we know only through a diary left after his suicide believed that Husserlian Phenomenology could be used to combat the Mind Parasites, who are some kind of alien presence located deep in the waters of whatever it is we call "mind".

There's a twist in the plot, our plot.  As early as around page 69 or so there is mention of Arthur Schopenhauer.  He is blamed (by the narrator?) for spreading the infectious dismal and depressing view of general existence which helps to infect mankind with suicidal ideations.  Whereas at first I was angry at Colin Wilson for this, looking back, now I see it as a complement to Schopenhauer!   Schopenhauer was a sotierologist, and yet Wilson paints him as the villain. 
 

I think I only mention it here and here.  I will place Bob Corbett's essay where it might be picked up by our local temperamental search engine.

I used to be obsessed with the connections between gort busting, Husserlian Phenomenology, and Wilson' The Mind Parasites.

I can only access a certain layer from the Way Back machine, but I was able to capture this: Glimpses Into the Mind of a Loafer :

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Glimpses Into the Mind of a Loafer

What I have discovered is that I need to relax. We all need to relax, but it’s certainly not my place to instruct others to relax. Not in a society such as ours which praises ambition and hard work. Is that a sign of decadence, that we see ambition as a good thing, when it is most likely quite an evil thing?

If we do not relax, we become overwrought and dangerous. I know this about myself. From the looks of the global situation, I have to conclude that we’re a planet bursting with overwrought and dangerous men who need to relax.

I have to contact my own deepest levels on a regular basis in order to re-energize my consciousness. It’s my responsibility to accept that I am hostile toward this soul-killing world we have created. It is best I recoil. The cave bear shuts itself off in a cave … I don’t chase the carrot, and poverty isn’t so bad if you have been blessed with some kind of imagination. I put my loafing to good use. I would like to think I am engaged in cosmic work.

When Husserl talks about “uncovering the structure of consciousness,” he simply means descending into the realms of our mental habits, realms we have no maps for. There is no atlas of our mental world.

Would the rulers of our society want to prevent too many people from being trained in philosophy in general, and trained in phenomenology in particular?

No wonder some philosophers go mad. I think that just attempting to follow along with Husserl’s thoughts has renewed my courage. What was he working on when he died? How did Husserl die? Did Hitler cause Husserl’s death? Heidegger was a student of Husserl, and even expounded upon Husserl’s phenomenology; and yet Heidegger was a Nazi. He taught philosophy. There's more research to be done as far as that goes.

Anyway, Husserl was concerned to map the “structure of consciousness” by means of conscious reflection alone. What better purpose can consciousness be employed than to explore itself? This is the meaning of the word, “p h e n o m e n o l o g y,” one of the most important words in my vocabulary. I read Husserl’s lectures hoping to pick up the techniques of phenomenology, like the “phenomenological epoch.”

epoch is “epoche,” Greek for “to bracket off” [ ]

The human brain is a kind of search light that projects a beam of “attention” on the world. We do not really have a trick of focusing and concentrating the beam; but it happens frequently. The sexual orgasm is actually a focusing of the “beam” of consciousness (attention). The beam of attention suddenly holds more power – the result is a feeling of intense pleasure.

When we say that attention is a beam, we mean the same thing Husserl means when he says that consciousness is “intentional.” Attention is a laser beam. This is the fundamental secret. Now. How do we polarize this beam?

When each of us, individually, asks ourselves, “Who am I?” (in the deepest sense), we stand as pure consciousness confronting the universe. Maybe we just need basic training in phenomenology to enable the radical transformation we call “busting the gort.”

Then again, as I go through Husserl’s lectures, I am well aware of how tedious his terminology can be to decipher. He seems to go around in circles saying things in a thousand different ways. I’m using the dictionary constantly. I’m just trying to develop a primordial mode of consciousness. The vitality of most people is controlled by subconscious forces of which they are not aware. We can’t really understand existence because we are in existence. When we attempt to descend towards the “source” of our existence, we leave behind the realm of existence. The source of existence does not exist. The source of existence does not “stand out” from non-existence. Is the source of existence Nothingness?

Would a population trained in Husserlian disciplines be less easily conditioned by society? Do the social engineers count on the population’s lack of insight into the true nature of existence? The managers of the managers reward gort-like behavior. The gorts are trapped in the world of other people. When individuals lose touch with their “inner being,” their instinctive depths, they become trapped in the socially constructed world of other people. To the gorts, human society is the reality. The gorts are entirely concerned with society’s values, with its pettiness and malice and self-seeking.

Look at the six sacred words: Nothing that is so, is so. Is it just a coincidence that Husserl proposes to radically alter the “natural attitude” with a “phenomenological attitude?”

He exercises this peculiar phenomenological epoch, a certain refraining from judgment. Exercising the phenomenological epoch completely shuts me off from any judgment about spatiotemporal factual being. This excludes all sciences relating to the Natural World.

What is the effect of the phenomenological epoch? What can remain if the world, including ourselves with all our cogitare, is excluded? PURE CONSCIOUSNESS, TRANSCENDENTAL CONSCIOUSNESS. The fully conscious effecting of the “phenomenological epoch” will prove itself to be the operation necessary to make “pure” consciousness, and subsequently the whole phenomenological region, accessible to us.

I’m desperately looking for some “spiritual technology,” but I have to confess, the literature on phenomenology is very obscure and heavy with special terminology. I was hoping to simplify it, not to dumb it down, but to make it more accessible to modern minds.
I’m almost finished going through The Essential Husserl. Take a look at some of the headings:

Absolute consciousness as the residuum after the annihilation of the world

The phenomenological attitude. Pure consciousness as the field of phenomenology

With the epoch, with the exclusion of this psychophysical universe of Nature, we are left with the whole field of absolute consciousness. Husserl does not mean to turn the natural world into a subjective illusion. Something tells me that I will be coming back to Husserl frequently.
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As for the wayback machine (web DOT archive DOT org), it is reaching rather deeply today:

October 12th, 2006 from gb.o : Phenomenological Investigations

The Way Back Machine successfully captured more than a handful of posts from the original gortbusters message board.

Thanks for reminding me of the importance of Edmund Husserl.  I certainly have not been able to give him the credit due as far as further exploratory reading goes, but, paraphrasing the words of country singer, Willy Nelson or that cracker Elvis Presley (super gort?), "Husserlian Phenomenology was always on my mind, always on my mind ..."

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related: 

source of "captured" Bob Corbett essay

The Mind Parasites of Colin Wilson: Fiction or Reality

free pdf of original MP

a review from toomuchhorrorfiction blogspot.

Mind Parasites, Energy Parasites, and Vampires

quote: "Mind parasites" is such an obscure topic that if you google it you will find that an email I wrote on the subject a few years ago, A Mind Parasite Encounter in Dune, turns up in the top three or four hits. My intuition is that this seemingly obscure subject, hard for some to take seriously, is a glimpse, through a glass darkly, into one of the most powerful hidden movers behind human experience, and especially our long, tortured descent into history, the nightmare from which we are trying to awaken.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2018, 03:59:42 am »
When someone begins to wake up, it is as if the forces of darkness, through the “control system” built into society and its institutionalized structures—which have become internalized within people’s minds—becomes alerted and mobilized in such a way as to make sure the person who is becoming aware of the operations of these inner adversaries and beginning to remember who they are gets taken back down, silenced, and put back to sleep. The mind parasites are able to "draft" unsuspecting others to become portals through which these forces can exert their influence into our world so as to seduce, distract or obstruct us from our path. People who are asleep to these nefarious forces unknowingly become enlisted to be the zombie-like foot-soldiers of the mind parasites, unwittingly serving their agenda of making sure no one steps out of line.

I have noticed something which fits with the above mentioned idea completely. Whenever I begin to study mathematics in earnest some sort of weird mischief gets played in the office which ends up completely distracting me from it.Till last Saturday morning I have been studying Husserl and Mathematics really well & boom! all of a sudden on Saturday morning I got a letter which has forced to focus now on that issue because I may well lose my job if things continue to move in the direction,they are at the moment.

This is just a small example & I swear to god it has happened to me scores of times. Even on Saturday morning I was saying to myself that "now that you are really studying mathematics and philosophy well you can expect some really bad thing to happen to you anytime now" & lo & behold,within 30 minutes,I received the terrible letter.I think I know what "Mind Parasites" mean.

Every single time I tend to really understand things something really screws me over & reduces me again to animal state. Think about it, they have all the money in the world for bombs and tanks & fighter planes but "Philosophy graduates" are working as waiters in Starbucks getting minimum wage.They really want to discourage people from reading philosophy. Now, I do not mean to say that all philosophy graduates are by default sincere thinkers but it does help a bit. I myself have been able to read subversive literature and philosophy not because but despite of my education.

I do really think something every scary and sinister is after me & those like me.Senor Raul has been kind enough to tell us that he has been frequently harassed & persecuted in workplace too.They really want to get rid of folks are us.

It may interest you to know that Thomas Macaulay of the East India Company very explicitly stated that he wanted Indian Education system to produce"Brown Clerks"-nothing more.
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The East India Company, as it happened, was never really enamoured with the idea of investing in education. Yet, English education became important when the lower levels of the bureaucracy had to be staffed, creating a demand for babus, or native clerks.

I find it very surprising that no philosophy it taught in any school I know of.
The Mind Parasite is very tenacious indeed,even as I write this here, I wish to write more but I cannot as I need to devote attention to the aforementioned issue.

Couple of things-the Mind Parasite is "Behaviour-Altering" parasite as it affects the host & induces behavioural response.
Sometimes the host,for instance, in case of Cricket infected with parasitic worm, the insect drowns itself in order to get rid of it.It has no other way of fighting back.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2018, 03:40:19 pm »
I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren’t actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed, and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague. And we are the cure. Agent Smith
We are indeed a virus.  Be grateful that when we destroy the host body (Planet) we will likely have no other host to infect.  The curtain will be drawn.

I hope the dream of colonizing (infecting) another planet will remain a dream, and nothing more.

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2018, 07:51:41 pm »
Yes, I have always had feelings of contempt and loathing toward those who are mesmerized with the idea of having our species colonize other planets.  These outward-directed "gorts" seem to have no sense of how one brings oneself wherever we go, and hence they totally ignore the dirty details such as pooping their pants in a space suit.

I call them space monkeys.  I have great contempt for the wanna be colonizers.  No matter what their level of education, they appear genuinely stupid or simply naive to me.

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2018, 03:35:27 am »
Mr.Wisdom_of_Silenus,
First off,welcome aboard!Very interesting posts & a most interesting name if I may say so. When I read your posts I was reminded of a documentary I watched about medieval English Kings some time back.They were sending their competitors,wives & lovers to the "chopping block" .Their favourite phrase was-"Off to the Chopping Block".

Same thing happened in the name of "liberty & brotherhood" during the French Revolution, pretty much the model was replicated in the Russian Revolution.The English even the modern era treated the Irish & the Indian rebel pretty badly.
Even in my office I has been many people has been sent off to the chopping block.

I won't be surprised if we happen to have a gene which makes us send others off to the chopping block.
Sometimes the axe is blunt & it does not finish the job at one go,so the axe man needed to bring down the killing tool on the victim again & again.Meanwhile the victim keeps on groaning & oozing blood.

Anyway, welcome again & I hope to exchange post with you,that is, if I do not get sent to "off to the chopping block"myself.

Take care.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2019, 01:54:29 pm »
I came across this tidbit offering insight into the name "Silenus" while searching for any references to Arthur Schopenhauer believing in "ghosts:"

The world is a place that ought not to exist; it would have been better never to have been born.  (Schopenhauer)


If you believe that, it sounds like you are what is known as a global antenatalist [sic]. This view is sometimes also known as Silenian wisdom, after the teaching of the mythical Greek sage Silenus. It’s most famously associated with the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860).

aha ... the wisdom of Silenus.  Now I get it!
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