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33 myths about the system
« on: December 17, 2018, 03:57:23 pm »
http://expressiveegg.org/portfolio/33-myths-of-the-system/

just done reading the forward and "A Brief History of the System". interesting critique of the system. though i disagree on some points (like there is a solution for humanity, we are rotten at core). on the upside, i found a new word for gorts; "systemoids";
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2018, 05:02:43 pm »
Thanks for the heads up, Ibra.
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Re: 33 myths about the system
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2018, 06:01:08 pm »
a note from the field:
today a colleague at work, a good employee, tried to advice me against always arguing with the higher-ups . and to try gaining favor of the manager. I scoffed at his suggestion, then he argued that he behaves because even if he left the job, If he applied to another company they would call the previous employer to ask about one's conduct. I think he is a good slave, while I am a slave with resentment. however the system keeps spinning.
at my first job i was fired because the manager complained literally that I am a "pessimist" and not a "team-player".

by doing math, hentrich, you are spitting on the face of system, so be careful of systemoids.

how do you approach doing math, do you solve exercises in the morning, or study a new material. do you stick to one subject (trig, algebra, calculus) for a period of time, or in parallel. I think you explained your way in earlier post somehow but my memory is blurry. I am just asking out of curiosity, so you can pass answering this question.  I am not studying anything actually.

senor raul, Thanks for the post of SADEGH HEDAYAT. such a poetic words.


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Re: 33 myths about the system
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2018, 07:23:42 pm »
Hentrich,

Yes, I think that concerning yourself with theorems or proofs or debugging any code helps you much. As I often said you are doing the best you can for your people. I have some ideas about the conditions you are living there from what you have written. But one thing is to read your words and another to live them.

I studied the Pythagoras theorem at school and yet I don’t remember a word of it. Of course I was a bad student. Many times I cheated in my exams and copied the answers from my classmates. I also at school learned to show lack of respect to my parents and neighbors in general. I lost my childhood first and then my adolescence  in secondary school.

I suppose I was not born for school. Better to say I was not born for this world. I late in life I realized that schools are for just indoctrination and you said several times that those in power just want obedient workers. And I think they have succeeded.

I will use a term in Latin, ad hominem, attacking anyone instead of attacking the argument. Many times they said to me “What do you know worker´s laws if you don´t even have a job? It is true I do not have a job. I have a little money that helps me but by January that money will be gone and things dramatically will change for me here. Honestly I don´t care anymore. I have been called many names, i.e. bloodsucker, layabout, vagabond, tramp, good for nothing, non entity, alcoholic, drug addict, loser, etc,etc. I feel complimented with those names.

The system we are living under, as you well know,  is run by people who treat us as cattle, cows to to be counted and numbers and letters in this system. Those little pieces of paper with pictures of those so-called heroes in dollars, euros, yens, Swiss francs, pound sterlings, wonderfully reminds us we are a slaves. But the system is not something abstract. Human beings keep the system going. As Ibra said there is no solution to this human drama. We are broken deep inside, rotten at the core.

Stay safe and sound.

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Re: 33 myths about the system
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2018, 07:55:12 pm »
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by doing math, hentrich, you are spitting on the face of system, so be careful of systemoids.

I'm glad you see it this way.  Yes, I refer to this intense rejuvenation of my interest in mathematics as a kind of revenge.  I resent how "the Establishment" views the hordes of mathematics students as commodities to be served up for consumption by industry, business, and academic institutions.  The departments of the government which financed my formal education must have presumed that such education would make me more employable, not less employable.  The fact of the matter is that, when a genuine student is passionately interested in UNDERSTANDING a subject or discipline, his devotion to his studies may take precedence over entering blindly and obediently into the slave marketplace.   Sure, there may be some good people behind the scenes who would commend my efforts and even be delighted to witness the therapeutic benefits such studying affords me (as far as maintaining mental health, motivating me to resist self-destructive inebriation, etc), but, for the most part, the average systemoid is more likely to scoff at any kind of intensive expenditure of mental energy which does not have some kind of career-employment as a destination or goal.


I'm glad you get it.  Spitting in their faces?   Hmmmm?   It sounds extreme, but, sure, I suppose you have captured the spirit of my current 10-Year-Project.   I have become obsessed with my own personal re-education campaign despite my aversion to employment.


It is more than ironic.  I think there is even some poetic justice taking place ... and I dare say that I may not be quite so unique; that is, there may be a surprising amount of individuals who continue to study mathematics and computer programming simply because it is fulfilling to them, mentally stimulating.


One self-educating programmer who had left some of his solutions to the exercises from Bjarne Stroustrup's Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++ (Second Edition) notes that he is stuck in some kind of system administration job, but that he still loves to learn more about programming.  I have to say, I can tell from some of the comments in his code (see # 3 in list in the new thread I will create separately), that he is a diligent student, despite the fact that he is working late at night (after a regular job), hiding in a room, away from wife and children, and not paying any tuition to sit in a building with a TA and other official students).   [see new thread: Calculator Program in Stroustrup Textbook C++PPP ] [created so to organize this response]


What compels someone to spend time working on difficult or challenging tasks, the kinds of tasks many others would rather receive electric shock therapy than engage in if not genuine interest in the craft?


One thing the higher echelon of the Establishment Systemoids don't get is that they cannot teach interest.  They cannot teach a love of learning.

As for how I go about studying, it is not normal.   I mean, whereas in the universities the poor student takes on 4 or 5 major subjects and basically drowns in all of them, unable to devote too much attention to any one discipline, I do the opposite.   I will go through several textbooks from ONE subject.    For instance, this past year I have gone through five textbooks (Algebra 2 & Trigonometry, [Precalculus]) and left myself about 30 notebooks worth of worked out solutions to share with some student in the future.

I intend to revisit Linear Algebra this year (for the fourth time around) as well as the textbook i was first exposed to as a senior in high school (age 17), Mary Dolciani's MODREN INTRODUCTORY ANALYSIS ...

It's definitely a spitting in the face of those who push Newer = Better, or mistakenly assume that more advanced, more difficult = Better.

Of course, i have texts on Computational Physics, several programming/math books, and regular GIANT physics texts, but, as your question implies, it requires a certain amount of mental discipline to remain focused and committed, and, for that, one has to be able to leave most everything else of interest on the shelf so as to remain focused.   i rarely allow myself to just stray into solving an Integral in some book, although I have been tempted to jump around since I am, after all, free to do so, free to proceed however the hell I want to.   Mainly, I focus on a handful of texts from at most 3 different subjects - always sliding spontaneously between mathematics and programming.

As for other research, such as 33 Myths of the System, that is strictly after midnight ...


I'm rather disciplined for a lazy layabout!
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2018, 08:26:06 pm »
Raul,

I understand why school may have not been a great environment for learning.   Many may have come to resemble prisons.   

The reason why Ibra the Desolate sees my obsession and dedication to understanding more math (or understanding the math I think I understand … more deeply and intuitively) as SPITTING IN THE FACE of the Establishment has to do with this marriage of "schooling" with "education" and "learning".

Schools (the Establishment) presume to promote "Education," so it is understandable that many associate education with schooling.  Likewise, most associate education with "career training" and eventually with "working as a professional".    What I am living is a reality that turns that world inside out or upside down.   I think Ibra finds it funny that I just might have salvaged a love of learning mathematics DESPITE the fact, or in spite of the fact, that my "schooling" never made me the kind of man that businesses hire "professionally."     I agree that it is almost comical how fuucked up the world of schools and jobs is, and that if a genuine student  (no matter what age) wants to devote himself to a craft or discipline, the last place he will want to find himself is in a university or as an employee for Microsoft or Amazon (no offense to Santa's elves and all).  He would rather be sleeping on your couch, Senor Raul, contributing to your rent and groceries from whatever he can manage to scrape from the government "welfare" system, and following his own agenda, like a somewhat toned down version of Arthur Schopenhauer, a Schopenhauer without an inheritance, a Schopenhauer diagnosed with rapid-cycling bipolar disorder living on welfare … or just a not particularly gifted or talented man who has lost any desire to please any "master," be they supernatural deities, extraterrestrial entities, or just plain old bosses, managers, foremen, or even parents.

May we always aim to write honestly here, shamelessly.


Today, if you wanted to learn about the Pythagorean Theorem, you could do so quite easily using a search engine.    I am not going to push anything on you.   I appreciate our communications as they are, and a love of mathematics is certainly not a requirement.   You have a very honest and direct way of communicating, and this I always appreciate.
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Re: 33 myths about the system
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2018, 05:27:30 am »
Hentrich,

Thank you for your response. Here in the city right now we have 86 degrees Farenheit. Extremely hot.
I think what you are doing is really ssshhiiiitting on the face of the system. In this country people complain about electricity and water bills, taxes, debts, credit cards, loans, payments, tax forms,etc. At the same time the government give special grants or subsidies to big businessmen, politicians, military leaders, multinationals, international bankers, etc.  I would like to tell these people that there is a cure for that problem but that cure has to be imported from France. The last time the French used this sharp gadget was in 1977. That was the last time an immigrant´s head rolled. This very sharp and “humane” gadget is called guillotine. Lots of taxes can be saved just by using a simple trick. I am sure those in power will “love” it.

I also owe money to the government in taxes. What is the punishment? I cannot leave the country because I have to cancel the debt in the Ministry of Finance so that I can get a passport. No money so no passport. Every four years the sheep, including me, vote for the wolves and that is the reward we get.

From time to time I hear on the radio how students in secondary schools fail in mathematics and Spanish. System failure. That is, students do not love what they are learning. They do not feel they are accomplishing anything. It is comprehensible because there are more 13 subjects they have to study every school year.

Yes, for a lazy layabout, as you call yourself, you are a very disciplined student. They cannot teach you love of learning in the establishment.  What you call aversion to employment I call it trying to keep yourself a little sane in this insane world.

Stay well.

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Re: 33 myths about the system
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2018, 11:24:38 am »
Senor raul,
Indeed the school is a system for indoctriation. I did well on school and thus i am  a slave, right now. i think you are a strong willed person. I rebelled too early, and was straightened out (beaten to go to school,  was a shameful memory).

here is a quote from the book  above

 ‘Nobody tells me what to write!’ says the wealthy journalist, ‘nobody tells me what to think!’ says the elite student, ‘nobody tells me what to do!’ says the director general; but nobody has to tell them what to write, think or do — which is how they rose in the first place. Those who reject the cruel and pointless restraints of schooling, the ludicrous assignments7 and the meaningless syllabuses (see myth 17) are marked as uncooperative, recalcitrant, undisciplined, strong-willed, unable to function well in a team or, in more serious cases, afflicted with oppositional defiant disorder (see myth 18). Those who defy the manager, who seek to circumvent the paperwork, who question the entire point, such ‘difficult’ people are passed over for promotion, their contracts are not renewed, their grip on the railings is released and they are ‘let go’. In a huxleyan system there is no need for a shady group of evil capitalists to tell people what to think when the system (and, consequently, the self) is structured so as to automatically select for obedience, conformity, mediocrity and, for the top jobs, complete insanity

stay well in Paraguay, hide from the heat. and share your observations of this "freak show"
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2018, 04:09:01 pm »
Ibra,

Thank you for your words and the quotes from the book. It is impossible to hide from the heat. This city used to have big trees that stood the test of time and provided relief in this scorching heat. But these trees could not stand the test of human brutality, in this, case the workers of the Municipality. Every year we have fewer trees. The price of progress.

I sometimes by bus go past some of the richest neighborhoods in this city. I admit I would like to have their
priviledges. I am sure most of the residents did not make their fortunes by selling cookies. They might be drinking the best imported beer and eating asados but they are also behind bars. But no one will react, including me, no one will throw stones at their windows or puncture the tyres of their flashy cars. Admittedly if I were to smash their cars, I would have to inhale glue like those boys I see sometimes in the streets.

This is a freak show, you are right. When I was 12 years old we used to get TV channels from Argentina which broadcast from Buenos Aires. In one of the TV reports I saw a woman reporter talking to Tanzanian soldiers on the border with Uganda. The first time I heard about Tanzania and Uganda. Then I learned that they were fighting against Idi Amin Dada, the Ugandan dictator. 

Years later I read some articles about this man. He brutally crushed any opposition to his rule. He made his enemies fight each other with hammers and made them eat bags of salt until they died of dehydration. Many prisoners were swallowed by crocodiles. Probably 500,000 were massacred from 1971 to 1979. Supposedly Amin sent some money to David Rockefeller so that he could pay his taxes. How considerate!

My father used to tell me that when he studied in the national university he met some police officers studying there. Some of them were real students while others were “pyragué”, a Guarani word for hairy feet or informants. He also told me that he met some who, following orders by the secret police, threw prisoners from airplanes into the Paraguay River. He said they were proud of their actions. Paraguay had also its dirty war.

When in 1994 we heard the news of the genocide in Rwanda, most of the killings were carried out with machetes. Not very sophisticated weapons if you compare them with AK47s, Uzis or Smith Wessons. But they were terribly effective in that country. The Hutus were more effective than the Nazis. No technology, no industrialization.11,000 Tutsis killled every day. The Einsatzgruppen in Russia were just babies in comparison with the Hutus.

We, human beings, are rotten to the core. Broken souls, little devils. As Hentrich wrote, we are Homo Ludicrous.

The will to life is very strong.  Why go on living since we know what this world is like?

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 11:08:49 pm »
I got the term Homo Ludicrous from someone who commented on the article you linked to, bad news on human nature.


I wonder if we would be better off if we could just see ourselves for what we are, once and for all.

On that note, I would like to retract what I said, when I wrote, "... like a somewhat toned down version of Arthur Schopenhauer, a Schopenhauer without an inheritance, a Schopenhauer diagnosed with rapid-cycling bipolar disorder living on welfare …"


Raul, you had stated, "And you are what you are, Hentrich from New Jersey, United States of America. You are no Diogenes of Sinope and why should you be like him anyway?"


I have let this sink in.   As someone said, this life on earth is a freak show.  Let's face it.  Schopenhauer was an abnormal freak of Nature, Diogenes was also a freak.   Myself, I think there are many who might consider me a freak as well.  Perhaps Holden of India is some kind of freak?   And you, Raul, in your own way, maybe?


Well, if we are all freaks, then of course we will not be "freaky" in the same way, right?


Just because Schopenhauer and Diogenes were pessimistic freaks does not make them the same.   Just because Holden and I are both drawn to math and appreciate the pessimistic metaphysics of Schopenhauer does not make us the same animals in this zoo.



I am glad that you pointed this out to me, Raul, that there is no reason I should even wish to be more like Diogenes, or even more like Schopenhauer, for that matter.   As Holden has stated many times, if we were born the man with characteristics that make him a psychopathic cannibal who breeds offspring and raises them to be psychopathic cannibals as well, then that is who we would be BY NATURE. 



There are those who might be of the opinion that living on government relief puts one on the level of of the criminal or clinically insane ward of the state, and there are those who really believe that soldiers are heroic - even if many do see soldiers as obedient cowards who are trying to project the macho tough guy image because deep down they are so terrified that they need to be a cog in the Giant Military Machinery... Must be tough, he drives a tank and plows through walls.   Must be tough, he has a big gun.


Ah, it must kill the knuckle draggers to witness a little old runt writing with such lack of fear of consequences.    Yes, they would like to criticize this level of free speech.    I think it is healthy to vent such peeves.


So, there.   I am no Arthur Schopenhauer and I have no wish to be more like him, no matter how much I admire the man.  I feel compelled to defend him against those who would cast judgement on him, calling him a "cranky old man."   They don't see that he felt that way at age 30, long before he became the old man shown on the cover of The World as Will and Representation.

I feel no such compulsion to defend Diogenes against his detractors.

Hence, I have referred to myself as  Schopenhauer Disciple for decades, not as a disciple of Diogenes.


No matter how thrilled I might be upon getting a computer program to calculate what I wish it to calculate, and no matter how much I enjoy coffee in the morning, no matter how great it is to quench my thirst when thirsty, I do realize that we all would have been better off if this world never existed, and when it all vanishes into the void, it will be as though we were never here.


Good.  Then all this ego is squashed.  All the pri-ck waving and pisssing contests, all in vain!


We are nothing.   I am nothing.  Schopenhauer is nothing.   Christ and Buddha - nothing!


What a relief to say this out loud, to write this, to type it, to scream it from the roof tops to every human creature who struts about like a baboon pounding his chest. 

What is it about language that gives this illusion that we possess some kind of identity, when in reality we are pure appetite and willing?   Depending on the circumstances, we each can become as evil as the situation calls for.  If I were tied to a tree and tormented by a gang of heartless bullies, yes, I would wish to become as evil as necessary.  I would wish to have POWER to destroy enemies … hence, I am just another pathetic human creature.  And I would not wish to have a god that would allow himself to be crucified by the people or by the state.



Do we even know who and what we are?   
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 05:36:16 pm »
Hentrich,

Thank you for your response. I hope your family is doing allright. It is important is that you are allright too. You and your sister are the rock of the family.

Living on welfare. Do these tycoons, captains of industry, top businessmen, not live on welfare? You may live on welfare for some years but these men and women in power have lived on welfare for entire generations.  One of the richest Colombian capo narcos, Gonzalo Rodríguez Gacha in the 1980s boasted that he made US$ 230,000 per minute. Where did that money come from? It came from the taxpayers in the U.S. 

Once I saw a picture where a woman from Bengal, India was carrying a British official on her back in the 1920s. Do people around the world not do the same thing, carrying on their backs the Bushes, the Kennedys, Duponts, Rockefellers, the kings and queens, and so many others?

I explained to an acquaintance that the smartphones people use have coltan extracted from the Congo, minerals essential for phones, military equipment and medical equipment too. I said that those miners from the Congo earned 2 euros for 16 hours a day to extract the coltan and send it to the warlords who then send it to the multinationals. This acquaintance said to me that without those minerals nobody would be able to use that technology.

Here there is a department called Guairá where last year the governor of that department had problems with the former president, Cartes. But the problem was the gold. There is a town where gold is mined by companies. The permissions for the extraction are given by the governor and there is a lot of money so they replaced the governor by appointing another governor. The thing is that the extraction is causing environmental problems. No one cares about that.

I did not do the military service due to my eye problems. In the Army office they gave me a military book where every year they register a military tax. As I lost that book and did not renew it  the military will fine me.

Are soldiers heroic? In the first Gulf War in Iraq in 1991 U.S. soldiers went and they did not ask why. The country called and they were proud to do their job. They were obedient. Now I read that 20 veterans commit suicide every day. Did King George send his sons to the war? No, he did not. They were watching the war on TV in their expensive mansions.

Yes, We are nothing.   I am nothing.  Schopenhauer is nothing.   Christ and Buddha - nothing! I add that the Prophet Muhammad is nothing, and Pope Francis is nothing!

“Do we even know who and what we are?”     We are all freaks. Demonic freaks.  Demonic sleepwalkers.

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 06:03:16 am »
After midnight, I have been reading this book, 33 Myths of the System that Ibra the Desolate suggested.   I am into chapter 3 and intend to read the rest of it.   


It is helping me to make sense of how I have been "received" by the System.   Sometimes I forget how I had been weeded out.   Sometimes I believe the lie of who I am supposed to believe I am, and I forget the reasons why I live the way I do.   This book is helpful if only as a reminder.


I woke up angry as usual, but this time I did not feel oppressed by the anger.  In fact, my anger is honest.

Quote from: Darren Allen
Privilege begets privilege and wealth, fame and elite education produce, in the system, the conditions by which they reproduce themselves. The reason why people with posh surnames have been in positions of power for hundreds or even thousands of years, why wealthy accents dominate the media, the arts and elite education, and why top jobs are staffed by elite graduates who grew up in wealthy houses is not merit, and never has been,1 but family connections, social capital (well-connected friends), cultural capital (accent, taste, manner, hyper-literacy and elite styles of thinking), inheritance (and lavish ‘inter vivos’ gifts of money and property to family members) and the constraints of the market (which force the poor and culturally-excluded out of high-cost social networks and unpaid internships), all of which keep power confined to the ambit of the classes which currently wield it.

Elites prefer all of this to be a secret, or, at best, unmentionable. Instead, they like to promote the idea that we live in what they call a ‘meritocracy,’ a fabled land where merit, ability, intelligence, pluck and daring-do determine success. It is not, they want us to believe, through luck, crime, glad-handing, nepotism, and all the massive advantages of family wealth that inept halfmen get their Big Leather Chairs, their exciting jobs as wildlife cameramen, their elite degrees or their amazing breaks in the art world, but through talent, attitude, hard-work and moral fibre. Certainly we should give a few brainy, tasteful and, crucially, ambitious poor people a hand up; get an infusion of new blood into the boardroom, deprive the working classes of their leaders and give the impression of equal opportunity to the educational system. The professional left call this integration, but the correct name is tokenism. But whatever you call it, there’s really only one sort of person who naturally deserves to sit at the banqueting table; the ‘best and brightest.’ In the past it was the divinely ordained, the twice-born and the genetically superior who deserved to rule. Today it is the cultured, the industrious, the upright and, most especially, the qualified.
How the systems-man loves that word, ‘qualified,’ how noble it sounds, how dignified, how redolent of rightful, earned authority. That these qualifications are given by the system to those who own it, or have shown themselves gifted at serving it (see myth 17), this does not occur to him. He has achieved his success, while the multitude are destined for a life of debt-peonage and the misery of actually productive work. All of which is sad, to be sure, but it’s also kind of fair you see, because it’s a meritocracy, and so the excluded, the intractable, the slow and the unlucky kind of deserve it.

Those at the bottom of the Tower of Earthly Delights are there because they do not have enough merit you see. It’s not their lack of security, resources, time or power that has stunted their capacities, it is because they are hedonistic, fatalistic, impulsive, irresponsible, and, the perennial complaint of elites despairing at the weird reluctance of lower sorts to generate wealth for them, lazy. They should study more, plan ahead, defer gratification, raise their expectations, work harder, learn to spell, have a make-over and cook more risotto.

Genuine creative genius, true community spirit, radical generosity, sensitivity, unconditional love, honesty, moral courage, craft-skill, self-sufficiency, spontaneity and responsibility do not count as ‘merit,’ and never have, and so the fact that these qualities, and those who possess them, are punished everywhere in the system is neither here nor there. Prejudice towards white people, that’s a problem (for right wing white people); prejudice towards Jewish people, that’s a problem (for Jewish folk), prejudice towards women, that’s a problem (for feminists), prejudice towards working-class accents, that’s a problem (for socialists), but prejudice towards sensitive people? Prejudice towards independent people? Prejudice towards honest people? Prejudice towards loving people? Hahahaha! Those aren’t problems! You can’t even see those things!

The reader may wonder, as many senior editors, CEOs, upper managers and department heads occasionally do, how this punishment can occur; how it can be that principled, capable, sensitive and honest people are prevented from rising through the system while those at the top are given a free pass. ‘Nobody tells me what to write!’ says the wealthy journalist, ‘nobody tells me what to think!’ says the elite student, ‘nobody tells me what to do!’ says the director general; but nobody has to tell them what to write, think or do — which is how they rose in the first place. Those who reject the cruel and pointless restraints of schooling, the ludicrous assignments and the meaningless syllabuses (see myth 17) are marked as uncooperative, recalcitrant, undisciplined, strong-willed, unable to function well in a team or, in more serious cases, afflicted with oppositional defiant disorder (see myth 18). Those who defy the manager, who seek to circumvent the paperwork, who question the entire point, such ‘difficult’ people are passed over for promotion, their contracts are not renewed, their grip on the railings is released and they are ‘let go’. In a Huxleyan system there is no need for a shady group of evil capitalists to tell people what to think when the system (and, consequently, the self) is structured so as to automatically select for obedience, conformity, mediocrity and, for the top jobs, complete insanity. Because negative personality traits tend to occur together managers, team-leaders and other Heads tend not merely to be cowardly spaniels or cruel monomaniacs, but beset by all manner of weird defects; strangely aggressive, or bizarre, awkward and indirect, or mind-bogglingly boring, or laughably uptight and self-regarding (the David Brent / Alan Partridge type), or skin-crawlingly creepy, or hauntingly absent, not really there. Not that such people don’t usually have a human core, struggling to get out, or that more recognisably human leaders don’t exist; but in both cases the immense pressure that the system puts on such humanity tends in one direction only; to breakdown.

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Re: 33 myths about the system
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 04:18:32 pm »
i like the book so far (chapter 9), it sounds like a rant. while I agree with the diagnosis of the modern system(aka civilization), I don't think there is a solution or redemption for us humans. the author claims that we had lived an innocent life before the neolithic age and now we are alienated , actually the modern system is is a mirror of the human nature, the human nature writ large. humanity is a terminal illness and there is no prescription for it.

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Re: 33 myths about the system
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 05:42:43 pm »
I agree that there is no solution.  George Carlin said that if you think there is a solution, you're part of the problem.  One of the greatest philosophical treatise I have read came from horror writer, Thomas Ligotti, Conspiracy Against the Human Race.   Not only was I delighted to read his take on Schopenhauer as the red-headed step-child of philosophy, but I was very relieved to read someone come out and blame Nature.

When I was much younger I did idealize and romanticize hunter-gather cultures, and I may even glorified primitivists.    While I agree with the author that "Economics" is the modern religion justifying theft, I am leaning towards thinking that the entire Natural World is more of a nightmare than a "wonder."   When you get down to the nitty gritty, every living creature is a total a-ss-hole.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway.   I don't have to be 100% with the author.  I appreciate his take on things ... reminiscent of Daniel Quinn's "The Story of B" and Ishmael, but just straight out ranting.    I'm enjoying the book.  Thanks.
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Re: 33 myths about the system(Senor Raul)
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2018, 10:27:04 pm »
Senor  Raul,

I don't feel so well.I had a dream last night wherein I was explaining the law of causality to someone. I did it in a really detailed manner.
Very often I feel confused and at a loss for words.This   confused and   heavy sensation in my chest is very difficult to comprehend or interpret in any way. Generally, pain maybe defined as the diminishing of the possibility fulfilment of the Will.

Keep well.
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