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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2019, 12:25:25 pm »
Senor Raul,
I hope your eyes remain healthy.
You have had a rough life. But the important thing is that you have not procreated.That is important.You and I, we,are doomed.But at least we have not put anyone else in this kind of a situation.

While I was passing by the drawing room I just saw on TV that a young woman of about 30 was crying and saying "We love you" again and again over the dead body of one of the soilders who recently died.

I would never want to put any woman in such a situation.Also, love is  a farce.I don't have any time to waste on women no matter how pretty.The prettier the woman,the more dangerous she is.

I wanna think about my being, my existence,while I still can.Paraguay and the US are so far away from where I am.

Sometimes I really drown is self-pity.Sometimes I think ,I delude myself,that I could have been so much better,in reality all I want to do is to stop existing.

Then again,before I cease to be, like good old Russell,I might want to check out a couple of math books.

Well,my friend ,take care of your eyes.And beware of ladies.
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2019, 08:25:00 pm »
Holden,

Beware of the ladies, you say, well, that is easy to follow. As I am physically repellent and worse financially repellent no lady will come near me. Even so your advice will be taken into account. Temptation is everywhere.

Indeed Paraguay or the U.S. are very far from India. No comparison is possible with the subcontinent. It is a good thing to think about your being or existence. Not many are willing to do that. Too risky. Most think about subsistence and nothing about existence. From what you have written in this blog you easily could have filled ten books.

Yes, love is a farce but millions of men and women love that farce. It is good for business after all. Good for the workforce, for the schools, law and the army and the churches. Churches would be empty if there are no baptisms.

Weddings,later babies, keep the prison going. They system will collapse if there are no weddings. Last week I saw on a Paraguayan TV station nine couples getting married in a row in a Catholic church. All the women in their white dresses and the men in black suits and ties. I suppose I could have been one of them two decades ago. In popular language older men refer to their wives as lapas (limpets in English) or la patrona, (woman boss).

Stay well and once again take care on the train.

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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2019, 08:28:33 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your response. Having kids is being reborn in this mental asylum called Earth. Maybe Kerouac is right. I read sometime ago an article by an author called Jesse Bering. He had a meeting with one rabbi, a priest and minister and talked about life after death. He asked the minister about life after death and the minister replied: “Do I believe in life after death?” “Yes. I often find myself finishing a funeral by saying, ‘And we commend so-and-so’s spirit to the God who gave it.’ I don’t make judgments at these funerals.”

Then Bering asked the minister about people who died by suicide. The minister said “I’ve done maybe ten, maybe twelve over the years. I’ve done a few secular funerals, in the sense that there is no evidence of a faith in the person who died. But all their friends who get up and speak and say, ‘I’ll see you later,’ I’ve reflected on this quite often—is it a safety thing? Is it a safety saying, or do they actually believe they’re going to see the person again? I remember this one where there was a kid killed in a car accident … well, he probably killed himself, actually, because it seemed to be a deliberate attempt and fortunately he didn’t take anyone else out with him. But there were about a half a dozen of his buddies who got up and in their own way they all said, ‘Yeah, we will see you again.’

Here in the city there is a phone line to prevent suicides. The line is called in Spanish Emergencias 149. You dial 149 and you talk to a psychologist and volunteers who are students of psychology or social workers. It is under the supervision of Asociación Paraguaya de Prevención del Suicidio. The president of this association, Manuel Zavala, said in 2009 he already saved 600 lives. Saved lives or postponed deaths.

Stay well.

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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2019, 06:07:14 pm »
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.I think he [Karl] is the  one from  "Saynotolife" as he had told  me   before his blog disappeared that  most of   his anti-natalist  colleagues have migrated to  the facebook group.

That's a shame.  I wonder why he took that route.  I can't see myself ever succumbing to such a thing as creating an account on Facebook.  Years ago, I set up an account, then a week later immediately deleted it.

Fuuck Facebook.
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2019, 04:29:41 am »
A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, even though we do not love it.
-Dogen.
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2019, 09:56:59 am »
Senor Raul,

Human species will always conform to the majority. "Oh! over 90% of people are breeding? Well, I guess I will also make spawns of my own." Mindless fu-cking robots!
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2019, 10:02:47 am »
So you really think you can bring a person into this world and have them procreate and have grandkids and have those grandkids procreate and have great-grandkids for you AND none of those poor souls will suffer immensely?? You are some deluded, selfish and egotistical POS.-
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2019, 10:04:19 am »
did anyone watch the Coal Miners Awards Show last night that honored all the coal miners that suffered & died from black lung so we could have electricity?
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2019, 10:08:15 am »
That goofy self-conceited look on the face of a father holding a newborn baby. A child born into a lifetime of suffering. All because of that said father's own intellectual or emotional frailties. That look, that look is tragedy personified
-A.O.
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2019, 10:12:27 am »
fake-smiling, optimistic motherfuc-kers that ain't content to be like dat
they want you to be a fake-smiling, optimistic motherfu-cker too
**** you to hell, you worthless pieces of ****-Animal Liberation and Antinatalism
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2019, 10:15:12 am »
Countdown till going back to work, into the world of lies, the fake world, the matrix world
it, once again, will take its toll on my soul
AL and AN
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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2019, 01:55:37 pm »
Holden,

Once again thank you for sharing these words.

I read that poppies since ancient times symbolize eternal sleep and death. The Romans and the Greeks gave poppies to the dead and they were grown outside the cave where Hypnos, the god of sleep resided. I would have liked also to taste the poppies and live with Hypnos forever. A nice wish never to be realized.

According to the classification of the demonic guys who rule this world we have PRIDE: Lucifer, GREED: Mammon, LUST: Asmodeus, ENVY: Leviathan, GLUTTONY: Beelzebub, WRATH: Satan, SLOTH: Belphegor. Since I admit I am lazy I prefer Belphegor.

Let me quote these two poem by Bulgarian Peiu Yavorov (1878-1914):

I do not live: I burn. Inconciliables
Two souls rival in my chest:
an angel soul and a demon soul. In myself
they breathe fire and their ardor burns me.

And both burn with flames, where I touch
Even in the stone, I hear both hearts beat ...
Always both, everywhere, obsessively
with enemy faces they are consumed until they become embers.

Behind me the wind, wherever I go,
Ash will cover my footprints. Who can know them?
Solitary, I do not live, I burn !, and my trail
will be ashes in the gloomy infinity


In vain you fear mother,
In vain you fear mother,
that my wandering through life
has exhausted me, that your son
has forgotten you

In vain you fear mother
How could I forget
the one gave me life without mercy?


Take care on the train.

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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2019, 05:30:55 am »
Senor Raul,

The  only  life that is happy is the life that can renounce the amenities of the world.
-Wittgenstein

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Re: Trouble with Being Cioran
« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2019, 12:25:22 pm »
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A Short Horror Story(To Senor Raul)
« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2019, 01:06:28 am »

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A New York woman decided, over her husband's vociferous protests, to get artificially inseminated during their marriage. The parties were married in the Mormon faith and their marriage was immediately tumultuous. The wife was physically abusive to her husband. At the same time, she allowed her health to deteriorate by becoming anorexic. She became pregnant with their child, by her husband and, upon giving birth, informed her husband she wanted to become artificially inseminated in an effort to have more children. The husband pleaded with her to not go through with it as he believed their marriage was already rocky enough without adding more children into the situation. Over these objections, the wife was artificially inseminated and became pregnant.

The husband believed, as a Mormon, that he should not get divorced. As such, he remained married to his wife despite knowing she was pregnant via artificial insemination. When the child was born, the wife did not list the husband on the birth certificate and gave the child her maiden name. It was only when the husband felt fearful that the wife could not care for the newborn that he stepped in and assisted, all the while maintaining the child was not his and he would not be responsible for the child.

A few months later, the wife told her husband that she was once again going to get artificially inseminated. Once again, the husband objected and pleaded with her to not go through with it. Once again, the wife gave birth and did not list the husband on the birth certificate and gave the newborn child her maiden name.

The husband then filed for divorce.

New York law provides that any child born to a married woman via artificial insemination with written consent by her husband and her, shall be deemed the legitimate child of the marriage.

The husband argued that his wife and he never saw eye-to-eye and had numerous arguments concerning her unilateral decision to become artificially inseminated. He also argued that he never consented to the artificial insemination either orally or in writing. Finally, he argued that he never intended to accept the wife's two children born from her being artificially inseminated as his own.

Case closed...? Not so fast. In New York, as in most states, the Court can still hold a husband responsible for the child born during the marriage under the doctrine of equitable estoppel. Basically, this is a fancy way of saying: "Look, we know you are not really the father but, the mother and child have come to rely on you being there, and you never did anything to cause them to think you would not be there for them and so, presto change-o, you are going to be considered the father. Good night and good luck."

Luckily, herein, the Court made the sensible decision that the husband was not equitably estopped from claiming to not be the father of the two children the wife gave birth to during the marriage via artificial insemination. According to the Court, the husband never encouraged the wife to become artificially inseminated, told her he would never support her or the children, and never held himself out to the public as the children's father.

The presumption of legitimacy is a doctrine that some think is outdated. In this day and age of artificial insemination, extra-marital affairs leading to pregnancy and the ubiquitous nature of single motherhood, the State's desire to deem children 'legitimate' or 'out-of-wedlock' is arcane. If a child is yours, then it is yours and you should be responsible therefor. If the child is not yours, but the mother of the child is married to you, you should not be held responsible therefor and you should not have to prove a negative to overcome the presumption. If the mother of the child is single and you are not married to her, and the child is not yours, but she tells you it is, and you believe her, and later find out that the child is not yours, the State will basically tell you that you are going to continue to be responsible. This seems outrageous as 'but for' the mother's original lie, the man would never have cared for and developed a relationship with the child.
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