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The Russian Sleep Experiment
« on: December 07, 2019, 01:39:01 pm »
Holden,

As I say Earth is a laboratory and we, humans, are the guinea pigs. Here the scientists play gods with their experiments. I often heard about the Dr.Mengele, the Angel of Death but there wre also Soviet researchers, sinister angels who carried out horrible experiments. I heard a researcher from Chile, Cristian Contreras, talking about the Russian Sleep Experiment in the 1940s. He says that although there are all kinds of stories about this it is based on a real experiment in the former Soviet Union.

In a secret base, a research group conducted an experiment with five GULAG prisoners. They were promised freedom if they lasted 30 days in a chamber filled with a psychotropic gas depriving them of sleep. But it only lasted nine days. The situation went out of control because the prisoners blocked observation and went mad, screaming and moaning.  They used the book pages filled with their feces to cover the windows. Then they turned completely silent for several days, and when the scientists broke into the chamber, they saw that the subjects tore most of their skin off of their bodies; blood covered the floor. But they remained alive, begging for the stimulant gas screaming that they must stay awake.

When the doctors tried to immobilize them, they showed astonishing strength, even killing some of the soldiers who were helping the scientists. Nonetheless they were pacified. One of them, instructed to asleep, died soon after he closed his eyes. The rest were killed while trying to escape.

Before elminating the last subject, one of the doctor asked screaming: “What are you?!” And that mutilated specimen, no longer human, answered with a terrifying smile: 

“We are you. We are the madness that lurks within you all, begging to be set free at any moment in your deepest animal mind. We are what you hide from in your beds every night. We are what you sedate into silence and paralysis when you go to the nocturnal haven where we cannot tread.” Those were his words before the Soviet doctor shot him in the head.

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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2019, 10:15:11 am »
Senor Raul,

Thanks for the information about the Soviets.  That's pretty nasty stuff. I have read a bit about Epstein who is supposed to have recently killed himself inside a jail and Prince Andrew and how they were messing around.
To be born as a son of the queen of England is pretty neat. He won the genetic lottery.Though it maybe noted that too much money and comfort and boredom can ,in turn, create a great deal of suffering. Doing hard drugs and messing with tons of women would appear as par for the course to the "royals".

No, too  much money can cause a great deal of problem. Though I confess,that little bit of it is needed just to keep the body and the soul together.
As for me, I don't know, I am not a royal.I am not Prince Holden, just sad Holden.

In the hospital ward, the last day, I was weeping a lot and a few of the nurses came over to my bed and began to console me. I was weeping for us all, for the nurses too. TB patients, due to the kind of medicine they take, are more prone to weeping fits. But I don't need any drugs to weep. It comes to me quite naturally. Natural born weeper.

Today I went to the terrace. There are about 16 floors in the building I live in. Its pretty tall. And I looked down and I felt dizzy. I dont think I would ever be able to do something drastic like jumping off the terrace or poisoning myself. All ,I think, I can do, is to walk away to a secluded area, like the animals in nature, and then wait for the dear death to set me free.

I feel tired ,at the end of the day. I work as much as I can but it is never enough. It can never be enough.
I wonder if one really wants to die ,then, the body will slowly give up or not. Tuberculosis would have taken me out easily ,even thirty years back but now they have more powerful meds so I might linger around a while longer.

Take care and please keep writing.
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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2019, 02:02:13 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your response. Life is a pretty nasty stuff. These horrible experiments which, in my view, are still being carried out in many parts of the world show how sinister we are human beings. We want to play gods in our own way.

I remember reading that Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov, a Soviet biologist, in the 1920s wanted to create a human-ape hybrid or humanzees. Also he inseminated female chimpanzees with human sperm. Later he inseminated female humans with ape sperm. This experiment failed because his orangutan died. Of course all this research, so to speak, had the full support of Stalin and his henchmen.

But are we not an experiment in this laboratory called Earth? I think we are. We just donīt want to know.
We donīt design our bodies. We donīt design our minds. In my view this is evidence that humans are just guinea pigs. Creation is an imposition. We are condemned to either enjoy yourself or suffer on this Earth.
 
Yes, being born as a son of the queen of England or any other European royal family is winning the genetic lottery. They have many privileges that their slaves, well, subjects, do not have. Long live the Queen!

I thank the nurses who did their best to console you. Not many do that here. I think we are all born natural weepers but we hide our emotions because men are not supposed to weep.

Stay safe.

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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2019, 12:11:19 pm »
Senor Raul,

I think if there is anything which maybe called an iron law of history ,then it is this- the regime after the revolution is far worse than the one before it.I hear that the Czar, while quite brutal, was a kid in comparison to the Soviet leadership.Same rule applies to the French revolution.

After the American revolution, the American Indians had a terrible time and were much better off with the Britons.
I have been meaning to ask you something- have you ever tried any kind of astral projection and lucid dreaming.If yes, what do you think of them?
If no, do you think its all humbug.

I write to you in the light of the red colour night bulb.The light is soothing.After 7 pm, these days, I am almost brain dead ,not capable of performing any thing heavy duty.
We dont know what we are. Death is the big mystery.No one knows what that means. In Bombay, there is a Zoroastrian community,I have heard that,when one of them dies, they leave the body on a top of building called Tower of Silence and then the vultures,slowly,clean up the body.

Some of the ancient philosophers stopped their breathing when the going got too tough.I wonder if I can stop my heart beat voluntarily.
No, thats just wishful thinking.The old ticker,would keep ticking.

Take care.
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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2019, 05:23:41 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your response. I think you should only write when you can. You need all the rest you can.
Yes, Nicholas was a baby in comparison with the Red Czar. I suppose Lenin had the entire imperial family executed to avenge Alexander, his elder brotherīs execution in 1887.

I only know what I read about astral projection. It is an out-of-body-experience or OBE. The soul or consciousness called astral body is separate from the physical body and it is able to travel outside it through the universe. I find intriguing that human beings can leave their bodies during dream states. Lucid dreaming, as I read, is defined as a dream which dreamers, while dreaming are aware that they are dreaming.

I once saw a movie called Inception with Leonardo Di Caprio. In the movie he is a thief who is able to get information by infiltrating the subconscious of the victims. If the CIA was involved in the MK Ultra secret program whose goal was to create hypnotized assassins I think it is possible to manipulate the world of dreams. If you can please watch a classic The Manchurian Candidate with Frank Sinatra or the one with Denzel Washington. They give you an idea about the MK Ultra program.

Death, as you say, is the biggest mistery. All of us go to the grave. Everything dies. Why do we have to die? Is there a soul? , many ask. What happens after we die? Few dare, like you, think about this deep issue. It is too disturbing.  Here TV does not show graphic images of death. Years ago there was a tabloid which showed a dead man with his genitals in his mouth. This was a message for future snitches. Besides graphic images of death are bad for business.

I remember that the Thuggee sect believed that all their victims went to paradise. So by being servants of Kali, the goddess of death, they also went to paradise. The first time I heard about the Zoroastrian community was when I saw the movie about Freddy Mercury, the rock star. His family was of Zoroastrian religion.

Can I stop my heart beat voluntarily? I once told you that sometimes I felt like putting an electric drill into my temple. It would be much easier, in my view, if I chose to be a policeman, firefighter, ambulance driver, even paramedic. I would become a suicidal in disguise.

Stay watchful.

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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2019, 10:42:11 am »
Senor Raul,

Thanks for the message.MK Ultra,yes, I would look it up.When its night time, I begin to pray to whosoever will listen, that the night should last forever.
I get these weird dreams.I forget most of them by the time I wake up.I wish we could stop suffering somehow,even if it would mean that we would cease to exist. The problem is ,most people don't think deeply or are congenitally incapable of doing so, before they plan to have a baby.

They have babies for all the wrong reasons. Legacy, property etc. Even while I am wide awake the world appears like a phantom to me.It possesses no concrete reality. Only haze.No lucidity even while I awake, let alone when I am dreaming. I cannot tell them apart. It all seems the same to me.

I get these really intense panic attacks almost everyday and I can barely put up with it.

Take care.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2019, 04:26:37 pm »
Holden,

Once again thank you for your words. I would also like the night to last forever. In 1985 I saw a movie named In the Name of the Rose with British actor Sean Connery and Christian Slater. What I liked about that movie was the monastery in those mountains somewhere in northern Italy in the Middle Ages. They were cold and barren places where the night seemed to last longer than the mornings.

I too wish we could stop suffering somehow if it would mean ceasing to exist. But we donīt know what awaits us on the other side. Maybe another jail.

It is true, as you say, that most people donīt think deeply or are congenitally incapable of doing much thinking before planning to have a baby. In this country if you want to get a license for a gun you have to submit your criminal or judicial record and psychological profile to the authorities. However couples are not required to provide any papers to bring a baby into this so-called Third World. There is no requirement to become a parent. This is how our world functions.

This is part of our programming. This is the reason females are born with two breasts so they feel compelled to breastfeed and become mothers. And also, although I personally am not Catholic, it must be taken into account that at a very early age most go to Catholic churches and schools where they see and worship the image of Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus. Therefore motherhood is deemed sacred.  And males, including me, want sex 24/7/365. This is a lethal combination of factors.

Above all millions do not feel they are programmed. They think it is all natural. To them there is no mystery. It is normal. They will never accept that our human bodies are monstrous.  And one thing is sure: the human farm keeps growing. We accept everything because we are submissive. We are submissive because the we, humans, have been getting our assees kicked for centuries. 

I sometimes have panic attacks so I look at the streets from the windows. But thatīs not enough so knowing that it will harm my liver I take paracetamol or diclofenac.   

Stay alert.

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2019, 10:57:47 am »
Senor Raul,
Thank you for your message.A very thoughtful message indeed. I think,if I were to generalise, I'd say that there are two,interrelated things,that are common to all the members of this forum. First, our repression mechanisms are not working properly. If they were, we would not be spending so much time writing and reading here but would be doing what most of the repressed people tend to do-chasing the dollar, the next promotion and the skirt.

Second and this is very much related to my first point, when we were babies ,we must have been treated abysmally by our guardians. You have been kind enough to share about your own struggles  and I saw a lot of domestic violence as a baby and was myself at the receiving end of it as a child.
So, in a way,our tormentors,though quite unwittingly, destroyed any repression mechanism we might have developed.

On the plus side we glimpse the truth ,unlike the bien pensant.However, there is a price to be paid for our knowledge.
Each of us, I would guess, suffers a great deal more than the bien pensant,by way of panic and anxiety attacks.

That's the deal ,you see. One wants the truth? Well,maddening panic and crippling anxiety is the integral part of the package.
We did not, I,did not make myself, did not design who I would turn out to be as an adult. Daily and ,I must add, nightly, scenes of domestic violence, blew in smithereens, any tentative ,baby-like repression mechanisms my mind might have been striving to build decades back.So,when I look at the world around me, I see blood and gore, I call a spade a spade. Not like the folks with a million and one repression mechanisms.

But I make payment to Mephistopheles with my intense panic attacks.In the world I see -marriage and babies make no sense.They don't fit into the paradigm of truth.The glimpse of truth, as you know yourself as a fellow seer, is not free, it is earned with the blood of one's heart and the peace of one's mind.

Take care ,Senor Raul,I hear that rioting is taking place in Chile.Stay safe.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2019, 03:39:39 pm »
Holden,

The word bien piensant sounds nice to the ears.  Chasing the dollars or euros, the next promotion and the skirt is what most do in this world.

What you say about being treated when we were babies by our custodians reminds me of Pedro Alonso López from Colombia named The Monster of the Andes. In a documentary I saw Lopez was a man cruelly treated by fate. Born to a prostitute in Tolima in 1948, the seventh of thirteen children, Pedro grew up in a ramshackle home where he watched his mother having sex with different men every day. Probably because of this traumatic experience eight-year-old Pedro sexually molested his sister resulting in being kicked out from this horror house at that age.Out of the house for sexually assaulting his own sister, Pedro found hope when an old man found him wandering around the streets.

The man spoke to him, and finally decided to help him. But this man was not the Good Samaritan because he was rrraped many times and thrown into the Colombian streets in Tolima. His trust in humanity and above all in adults was completely destroyed. Years later, to make the story short, in 1980 he was captured by the police for the murder of more than 300 children and young girls in Colombia, Ecuador and Peru. Once he confessed what he did to his victims. He rrapped first the victims and later he strangled them while looking in a fixed way at their eyes. He wanted to feel the deepest pleasure and sexual excitement before their lives withered.

I mention this case, one of millions, because childhood is the most important stage in life. You know this better than me. How many young girls and boys in Paraguayan jails will be the next monsters? Paraguayan society has been incubating the future serial killers that will take revenge in the years to come.  The children and babies I see almost every day will be their preys. Then the hypocrites, including me, will start screaming, shouting, sobbing, shedding tears at the injustice and madness of life. Each one of us is a monstrosity.

There are times I would like to raise a gun to one of my abuser īs head and shoot him in the temple as I saw in the execution of a Vietcong member in 1968. In the film a South Vietnamese Major General, Nguyen Ngoc Loan, shot a handcuffed operative named Nguyen Van Lem with .38 Smith and Wesson revolver during the Tet Offensive. It is said that this prisoner cut the throats of a South Vietnamese officer, his wife, his six children and the officerīs 80 year-old mother. I always find this film fascinating. But I donīt think I will commit this crime.
As you truthfully say:  “So when I look at the world around me I see blood and gore.”

Stay alert.

In the link you will see the picture:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/02/01/a-grisly-photo-of-a-saigon-execution-50-years-ago-shocked-the-world-and-helped-end-the-war/


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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2019, 08:19:58 pm »
Senor Raul,

Thank you for the message.Much appreciated as always. I have noticed one commonalty among the examples of human cruelty and persecution of apparently innocent people which you having been putting forth recently.
It is that both erstwhile USSR and North Vietnam were motivated by idea that they could somehow usher in an earthly paradise for the masses.
Every time someone makes a suggestion to "improve" things in anyway, a shiver runs down my spine.
The people who were running the show in these countries ,started off as fresh faced idealists who wanted to make things better ,to end exploitation and bring relief to the masses and look what happened actually...

The whole idea that one need not wait to die and then go to heaven, that heaven could be had right here on this planet is something which I find deeply problematic.Any yet I see many,many people who seem to be obsessed with the idea of progress and betterment. That is what helps many people inject some kind of meaning in their lives ,it is almost a religion to them.

Every call to create a new brotherhood of men is doomed to failure from get go.

Take care of your health,especially your eyes.
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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2019, 10:05:43 am »
Progress is quite the religion, Holden. One may easily connect the dots from Platonic Idealism to Christianity, to Enlightenment Humanism/Democracy and now Socialism/Techno-Utopianism.

The same wolf in various shades of sheep's wool. How many have died at the hands of "Spreading the Good News?" How many billions enslaved by the Holy Market?

Is Progress defined by us literally choking the biosphere with heat-trapping gases (CO2, Methane, Nitrous Oxide) at an ever-accelerating pace? Is Progress shown in a rapidly depleting Artic Ice Sheet? After all, it means more room for oil exploration and the sounds of boots drumming the Imperialistic Crushing of Body-Minds.

All of us here who post and read are products of OIL. Without a fossil-fuel induced agricultural system, would any of us be here, amongst the 8 billion and growing hungry mouths? Are we the organic embodiment of Black Goo?

To feed we must consume. To consume is to destroy and give off heat. Is Progress the Acceleration of Destruction? What is one to say about the organic life-processes then? Shall we all bow our heads and pray for more, more, more?
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2019, 12:06:09 pm »
Senor Raul,

My parents think that once I am married my wife would take care of me and assist me in every possible manner. I also think that, they wish to get me married so that the next time ,if I end up in the Emergency Room,they would not be responsible for me.

I just think its a terrible idea. They want me to marry a woman who is not well-educated so that she may be "controlled" easily. They don't understand that education has very little to do with one's disposition.
Also, given the fact that I like to remain alone most of the time, most probably , I'd end up in the family court,if I were to get married. So, if the push comes to shove, I might have to go underground for a few days.

This socially constructed institution of marriage cannot stanch the bleeding in my soul but can every easily make it more profuse. No, I and I alone, will have to face my existential demons.Chances are, the demons would cut me to ribbons...at any rate, it is my personal battle and while I can and do draw inspiration from others in order to fight it,at the end of the day, I myself would have to do the fighting.

I am already well past the median age at which most of the people here get married.As Kafka says-" Beyond a certain point there is no return. This point has to be reached".

My parents live in their little ,pretty socially constructed reality and when the thing-in-itself rears its ugly head,they go berserk.Even during the worst period of my illness I never imagined that getting married is the way out.No and again no.This is a long and intense battle,my brother-in-arms and most likely outcome is one's meaningless death with all the existential terrors falling down upon one simultaneously and yet there is no other alternative..the battle must be fought.And I will fight it with all my might. True, sometimes I get afraid that I would lose my mind for real.Turn into a mental asylum inmate in actuality.But I will have to run that risk.

Take care.

Your Wounded Brother-in-Arms
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2019, 01:09:19 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for your words. Please take care also of your health and your mind.

Yes, many people are obsessed with the idea of progress and betterment. As you say they want heaven on Earth and they want it now. It is a religion founded on human blood and they are the priests who are in charge of the sacrifice.

This reminds something I read about Belgian mercenaries. Once they returned home most of them started working with laundry shops. They needed to wash peopleīs dirty clothes because of all the blood they spilled in combat.

I add to this list the murderous Helmsman, Chairman Mao, the Man of Steel, Stalin, and the peace-loving Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot and the Libyan leader Gadafi.  Because of Maoīs Great Leap Forward probably more than 60 million people died in China. They starved to death really. The Man of Steel starved the Ukraine to death causing in two years 25 million of victims only there. Pol Pot was responsible for the death of 2 million people in Cambodia. They were prolific destroyers of life. The historians also called them engineers of the soul.

I should also mention this young North Korean dictator, Kim Jong-Un. He came to power in 2011. Kim Chol, the Vice Minister of the Army was executed supposedly by mortar bombardment in 2012. O Sang-Hon, deputy security minister was executed by flamethrower in 2014. Supposedly also he once blew up one of his generals with an anti-aircraft gun for falling asleep in a meeting.  Supposedly he had his half-brother, Kim Jon-Nan, executed in Kuala Lumpur two years ago.  He was killed with VX nerve agent at the international airport.  Trump said that Kim Jon-Un “loves his people.” There was an anecdote about Gadafi where a young man was tied to two cars and ripped in half after complaining that Gadafi ffuccked his wife. He was a cautious man because everywhere he went he had a bullet proof tent flown. One of his sons kept tigers while another commissioned a cruiser liner with a shark pool. Power and oild are a dangerous combination. I will only include Enver Hoxha of Albania, Nicolai Ceaseuscu of Romania and Fidel Castro of Cuba. All of them were just tools of dark powers.

Stay safe.

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Re: The Russian Sleep Experiment
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2019, 01:14:28 pm »
Holden,
 you wrote "Every time someone makes a suggestion to "improve" things in anyway, a shiver runs down my spine". well, I experienced this first hand in Syria, almost a million got killed in the revolt/revolution/rebel  against the government in 8 years (couple of my friends and relatives had been killed). more than 5 million refugees abroad  and millions displaced internally. that's a huge proportion of the population ( around 25 mil in 2010). now Syria is just a playground for the heavy weight participants testing their latest inventions of destruction and playing their favorite proxy war maneuvers. this time Russia is the almost winner!

and yet, people pumping babies like there is no tomorrow. well, as you always say, man is never free. reason is impotent against the biological necessity/imperative.

I hope you are recovering well and hang in there as much as you can.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2019, 01:43:31 pm »
Holden,

Although in Paraguay we are still a machista society I cannot assure that a wife would take care of her husband as it happened in the past. My mother was my fatherīs nurse and that is the only thing he wanted from her.

Things are different now so the idea that a woman, educated or not, might be controlled easily does not make any sense. Couples tend to get divorced very easily here. The chains of marriage become pains of marriage.

I am not a psychologist, just a scribbler. I get the impression that parents, generally speaking, want to see their sons and daughters chained to marriage because they themselves want to avoid being called failures by the establishment.

I wish there was an association of marriage-free people where you could get a decent amount of money, a passport, and leave India and go, letīs say, to Europe, London or Rome.

Stay alert.