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Holden

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The Losers Club
« on: April 12, 2017, 02:05:24 pm »
I cannot help but think of the Losers Club in the novel IT when I think of this message  board.In the novel a bunch of kids who have been put upon come together to fight the monster- IT. Like HPL I find the so called realistic novels insipid. Horror is true realism for me.Herr Hentrich often says that he feels like he is living in some futuristic cyberpunk existentialist novel.
I am living in a horror novel.I can see the monsters all around.
In the end the protagonist dies of course but as he is falling over the cliff he takes the monster with himself.
Constant dread.Sweaty face. Schopenhauer as the ultimate horror writer.After his death they did find a lot of books about the occult in his library..

The monster is too big,way too strong.First it would drive me insane and then brush me aside.
To live in a horror novel.What did Liggoti say-hide from horror in the heart of horror.Yes,the old chap seems to know a thing or two-reading horror novels,even the so called bad ones,seems to bring a measure of relief.Why?Perhaps as it brings into sharp focus what was so far vague and yet menacing.

Schopenhauer the ultimate horror writer.
I shall take the monster over the cliff with myself.
As van Gogh says:Sadness will last forever.He is indeed right.I merely add:so will horror.Horror will last forever.
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Re: The Losers Club
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2017, 03:06:50 pm »
I'm not crazy about "Woody Allen", but he has come up with some clever and pessimistic one liners, one of them being, "I would never want to belong to a club that would accept someone like me as a member."

What's the other one? 

Oh, here:

“More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.”

I wear my "loser" status as a badge of honor.

I am pleased that you acknowledge Schopenhauer's philosophical writings as worthy of being classified as horror; not horror-fiction, but horror-philosophy.

You have inspired me to once again tweak the "title/theme" of this message board.

What we are leaning in the direction of is not madness, but disillusionment.

I am going to embrace every experience of disillusionment as an opportunity to declare void a false impression. 

I have not read the book, IT, but I did notice the video you posted for a soon to be released film of the same name.
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Re: The Losers Club
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 08:33:40 pm »
Could you imagine a wife putting up with a man whose only goal for the year was to get through a couple math textbooks?  And for the next decade?  More of the same.

Nothing can be made of me.
He [Arthur Schopenhauer] has been the most radical of all troublemakers. He was defiant. ~ (Marcuse?)

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Re: The Losers Club
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 11:01:09 pm »
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say something that I never thought I would ever think, let alone, write.  I probably will not be speaking it out loud any time soon. 

I am not a "fan".  And yet!

I like Woody Allen's attitude. 

"If we think too much about life, it becomes unbearable."

You would never know it from the way he marketed himself throughout his life, but it really shows in this short clip from an interview.  He makes perfect sense.

woody

I may not have liked any of his films or any of his work as "an artist", but, man oh man, he just articulated our situation so very well. 

Is this something like reverse cognitive dissonance?

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He [Arthur Schopenhauer] has been the most radical of all troublemakers. He was defiant. ~ (Marcuse?)

"Learning math is never a waste of time." ~ Ivan Savov

"Programming is understanding."  ~ Kristen Nygaard

Holden

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To Herr Hentrich & Senor Raul
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2017, 12:22:01 am »
Could you imagine a wife putting up with a man whose only goal for the year was to get through a couple math textbooks?  And for the next decade?  More of the same.

I'd give give that man about 10 minutes & I'm being more optimistic here than Peale & then he'd have to continue to apologize to her for a month or two for his MISCONDUCT.
Well,Herr Hentrich, what I posted in "Modern Workplace" thread does sound like the rants of the Underground Man,but I am, indeed,he.

Senor Raul,those people who have gone to the country side for the Holy Week,I hope they never come back at all & leave you in peace.

I have been doing a bit of thinking about Anti-Natalism or Efilism as Gary calls it. But I think for pacification of the Will ,while it is necessary to adopt it,is certainly not sufficient. Whenever I feel the Will stirring inside of me I try to read something by Schopenhauer,as a christian priest would read biblical passages to tackle the demons. It's a good cure.
I think when I deliberately eschew the so- called pleasures of life like gourmet food & embrace sexual abstinence not just by way of body but also in the mind,it brings me a great deal of peace. That does not mean that I can do it all the time. But I really would like to do it all the time.
The people who are very violent also suffer a lot. I mean,if someone wants to kill me, I would just stand still so that they could stab me properly & then ,if I have truly denied my will,I would be gone for good.But the murderer would stick around the world-and well know what that means. I pity my would-be murderers.
What lies beneath the appearance- Unrest.


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Re: The Losers Club
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2017, 03:56:36 pm »
Herr Holden,
Thank you for your words. I am sure your writing talents are not regarded properly in your workplace and outside.
"Could you imagine a wife putting up with a man whose only goal for the year was to get through a couple math textbooks?  And for the next decade?  More of the same."
Well, Holden, I think women are strange creatures. Maybe there are ladies who will put up with a man with only goal. After all there are women who endure humiiations and beatings from their husbands for a whole lifetime.
You are a Schopenhuarian priest and you use his words like the priest uses holy water to cast out the demons from a possessed person. This Gary you mention is Gary Inmendham. I only read about him what Hentrich wrote about him. Efilism and anti-natalism are synonyms? Forgive my ignorance.

You stay away from gourmet food and embrace sexual abstinence both in body and in the mind. You remind me of those hermits in the desert enduring all kinds fo hardship in order to attain the union with the divinity or the penitents who during the Black Death in Europe between 1348 and 1352 went through the villages chanting and flogging themselves until they bleed. 

"I mean,if someone wants to kill me, I would just stand still so that they could stab me properly & then ,if I have truly denied my will,I would be gone for good.But the murderer would stick around the world-and well know what that means. I pity my would-be murderers."

I take it that you have experience physical violenced sometime your life. Not many will turn the other cheek when physically attacked. Although we suffer violence in the mind too; not many react against the attackers. Take care. Raúl   

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Re: The Losers Club
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 11:25:48 am »
Senor Raul,

Gary Inmendham posts a lot of videos about anti-natalism on youtube,here is a sample for you: 

https://youtu.be/_PC3_ovfjew

Okay,so I'm glad you asked this question i.e. the difference between anti-natalism & efilism.I have thought about this question myself. The way I see it, "Anti-natalism" is primarily concerned with human beings,its the narrower concept of the two. Its also more commonly used.So, when we say "Ant-natalism" ,I guess we are primarily talking about not having babies in the future,human babies.

Now "Efilism" is a term which has been coined by Gary. You see, E-F-I-L is the exact opposite of the English word L-I-F-E, so it means anti-life. Gary says that not having any human babies in the future is not good enough, we need to make sure that is no sentient life on Earth at all.I mean no more bears ,deers, rabbits,cows etc. Efilism is a much broader concept but at the same time something far more difficult to realise.

You remind me of those hermits in the desert enduring all kinds fo hardship in order to attain the union with the divinity or the penitents who during the Black Death in Europe between 1348 and 1352 went through the villages chanting and flogging themselves until they bleed. 
-Senor Raul

Well,I must say you are very intuitive because I did have something like this in mind in that last post. Well, I am a vegetarian,but I won't like to take credit for that as vegetarians are pretty common in this place's culture.But I have to say there is something deeply ascetic in me,I have never even kissed anyone ,let alone the full fledged copulation. I want to go further. From time to time I have indulged in "PMO".
But I am determined that never again would I give in to the lust of the flesh.
Well ,we will see.You see ,Senor Raul, when a man has been humiliated in someway he begins to hate life,but if he experiences orgasm he then ,sort of ,begins to forget his abysmal plight. Orgasm is an insidious deception. I must get rid of it once and for all, if I am serious about getting rid of the cycle of birth & death..

Keep well in Paraguay.
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Re: The Losers Club
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 03:07:14 pm »
Herr Holden,
Thank you for your comments. Very enlightening words. So Gary Inmendham states that "we need to make sure that is no sentient life on Earth at all.I mean no more bears ,deers, rabbits,cows etc. Efilism is a much broader concept but at the same time something far more difficult to realise." Clearly not only difficult, impossible. Only a nuclear apocalipse would cause the extinction of sentient life on Earth and even with that scenario life could still occur. After all humans did not make themselves, they got made.

I am sure you are killing in yourself the lust of the flesh. You will be admired by many but followed by few. Your path demands much sacrifice in order to get rid of the cycle of birth and death. Stay well there. Raúl