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raul

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Holden,
That is the impression I get from your comments. A lady waiting for beloved Holden and of course the family would like to see the results nine months later. Two or three Holden Jrs.

Continue with your stories,mathematics, philosophy and literature. As you said more or less, your books are your babies.

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Yes, thank you Holden, I did read every page of Logicomix.  In fact, the film you suggested, the man who knew infinity (the life story of Ramanujan), had me recalling this Logicomix - many of the same characters/people are in both.

I mentioned Logicomix here in the D-503 thread (Why Mathematics? forum) a year and a half ago, but then again, I never followed up or reported much about it. 

I am glad you found it on your own anyway. 

At least we don't have to deal with the politics of Academia.  There are some real advantages to living in the zone of the untouchable deadbeat underclass, that's for sure.
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On Asceticism and Asperger's
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1.Is our quest not remarkably similar? Though, of course, it is not in the academic arena.
Sometimes the cognition of our plight overwhelms me completely and all I can focus on is on keeping my head from bursting.

2.But there are moments, when I do rather like toying with maths.Perhaps a psychiatrist would diagnose me with Asperger's, which I am told "is a developmental disorder characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal communication, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests."

3.What they call Asperger's was called Asceticism once.

4.Kant tell me that what I see around me is, in the final analysis,not real at all. And that which I cannot "see" is the most real thing in the entire universe.
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Have you been reading Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus?

The reason I ask is, well, I notice your use of numbering a sequence of statements.

I recall the effect reading that had on me.  I begain numbering every single statement I made in my journal, even with decimal places.  It became a real hinderance and I would never be able to keep track of my current flurry of notes with such a strategy.

It is useful here though.   If my posts are overwhelmingly chaotic for you, I can try to order them a little using this Wittgensteinian tactic.  I notice most text books use a similar method for organizing the subject matter.


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Holden

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Senor Raul,

You wrote somedays back,something like this from "True Detective":
 I tell myself I bear witness, but the real answer is that it's obviously my programming, and I lack the constitution for suicide

That that is really appropriate in my case. Very,very appropriate.

Keep well.
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raul

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Holden,
Yes,that is what Rust Cohle said in one scene. I do not understand the sentence "to bear witness". I mean to bear witness, what for?

As for suicide, it is estimated that 30,000 people kill themselves each year. However, the actual figure is likely much higher. The World Health Organization estimates that almost a million people around the globe take their lives each year, The same organization also estimates that 10 to 20 million people attempt suicide each year.
I suppose for many bearing witness is no longer an option.

We,humans are just like tissues to be used, specially for ugly purposes and then discarded. Yes, life is evil.

"W.H. Auden,September 1, 1939,”
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return

Take care of yourself, take of your books and your computer. I suppose you store them in a safe place,
You see, your books and your computer might be used as "evidence" for your "deviant" behavior.

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Am I surprised with the figures? Yes. They are way too low. I would have expected a far bigger number. How is it possible to live on this planet for one day, let all a life time,I cannot possibly conceive. They think it is all so beautiful,so wonderful. They breathe,they orgasm.They party.
I am afraid the party is about to get over- and then what?

Even creature groans in pain but only one in a million has compassion in his heart. Hatred is far more common. They want to redesign the society ,rewire the human being in line with REASON. Well, human reason ,being what it is, takes us to only one place:The Slaughter House.
https://youtu.be/3sFnVs--D2I
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Unamuno's assessment originates from his conviction that man is radically alone and without a clue, conditions we can do nothing to remedy.  The uncertainty that taints all of our actions is the source of the free floating anxiety that always haunts us.  Doubt and anguish, in fact, are the foundations of Unamuno's philosophy.  Religion will not remedy our obsession for absolutes because it cannot be rationally justified, and reason only guides us to skepticism and ultimately despair.

The weeping does nothing.  Hopelessness and despair are the conditions of life.  Given these conditions, it is best to immerse oneself in difficulties to temporarily escape the paralyzing meaningless of existence.
  ~ Alan R. Pratt writing about Miguel de Unamuno

The universe is unjust.  The secret of happiness is to face the fact that the world is horrible, horrible, horrible ... you must feel it deeply and not brush it aside. ~ Bertrand Russell  The Passionate Sceptic

Many people would sooner die than think.  In fact they do.  Thinking About Thinking


Academic philosophers, ever since the time of Parmenides, have believed that the world is a unity.... The most fundamental of my intellectual beliefs is that this is rubbish.  I think the universe is all spots and jumps, without unity, without continuity, without coherence or orderliness or any of the other properties that governesses love .... it consists of events, short, small and haphazard.  Order, unity, and continuity are human inventions, just as truly as our catalogues and encyclopedias.     Autobiography

Few people can be happy unless they hate some other person, nation or creed.   Attrib.

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I have the true feeling of myself only when I am unbearably unhappy.  ~ Franz Kafka  Diaries

It is not true that life is one damn thing after the other ---- it's one damn thing over and over.  ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay

It is not true that suffering ennobles the character; ... it makes men petty and vindictive.  ~  W. Somerset Maugham   The Moon and the Sixpence

What mean and cruel things men do for the love of God.  A Writer's Notebook

For life is at the start a chaos in whih one is lost.  The individual suspects this, but he is frightened of finding himself face to face with this terrible reality, and tries to cover it over with a curtain of fantasy, where everything is clear.  It does not worry him that his ideas are not true; he uses them as trenches for the defense of his existence, as scarecrows to frighten away reality.  ~ Jose Ortega y Gasset  The Revolt of the Masses

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The basic fact about human existence is not that it is a tragedy, but that it is a bore.

Man's natural instinct is never toward what is sound and true; it is toward what is specious and false.


[def specious -  Presenting a pleasing appearance; pleasing in form or look; showy.]


What a cruel and idiotic world we live in!

My notion is that all the larger human problems are insoluble, and that life is quite meaningless --- a spectacle without purpose of moral. I detest all efforts to read a moral into it.


H.L. Mencken
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Hell is oneself;
Hell is alone, the other figures in it merely projections.  There is nothing to escape from and nothing to escape to.  One is always alone.
    ~ T.S. Eliot   The Cocktail party

Human kind
Cannot bear very much reality.
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Dada smells of nothing, it is nothing,
nothing, nothing.
It is like your hopes: nothing
like your paradise: nothing
like your idols: nothing
like your politicians: nothing
like your heros: nothing
like your artists: nothing
like your religions: nothing
   ~ Francis Picabia, "Dada" Artnews 1921
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He belongs to those whose fate it is to live the whole riddle of human destiny heightened to the pitch of a personal torture, a personal hell.  ~  Hermann Hesse Steppenwolf

All interpretations, all psychology, all attempts to make things comprehensible, require the medium of theories, mythologies and lies.


"Should we be mindful of dreams?" Joseph asked.
"Can we interpret them?"
The Master looked into his eyes and said tersely: "We should be mindful of everything, for we can interpret everything."   
Magister Ludi: The Glass Bead Game
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I do feel grateful every night knowing that one more day has gone by.The day usually takes its toll before it is over but at least it is over.The amount of time I still need to be alive on this planet has got reduced a tiny bit.
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You sound like a man serving a prison sentence.

While having my hair shaved off my dome yesterday, the woman said she did not understand when women expressed a desire to be young again.  I agreed, stating that I remember adolescence and early adulthood consisting of one hard lesson after another (the school of hard knocks?).   I then made the analogy that someone expressing this desire to be young again sounds as absurd as an ex-convict wanting to serve his prison sentence again, starting from the day of his arrest.    ::)

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You remember what Schopenhauer once wrote to Goethe in a letter mentioned in his biography-he wrote something to this effect-unlike you, I am not a man of the world. What matters to me is my philosophy. What becomes of me, personally, is of very little significance, what is important is that I should be able to comprehend the world philosophically.
I sound like a prisoner because I am one.
I really think that most parents think of their babies are cuddly toys. If only they could imagine that one day that cuddly toy will grow big and will be shred to pieces by the others,then perhaps they would think twice before having a baby.
This thought came to me with surprising clarity today-my pain,my misery,though profound and intense, is still finite-so long as I make sure that I do not reproduce.It is only a matter of getting rid of time. I don’t think I want to commit suicide. But I do want this misery to end with my demise.
So,here is the deal,I only need to somehow get though these years of earthly existence and then I would be through ,for good.
At present I have an office job, if required,that is,if I am fired in the near future then I can take up a menial job. I mean,unlike,my colleagues,I am not obese and quite capable of working physically.
Of course if that were to happen then my parents and relatives would go crazy but I think now I am beyond the point of giving a damn.
I have been thinking about how you lost your job in the park. Even if the circumstances were a bit different I do not think that you would have been able to carry on with it for much longer-you are much too sincere and honest for that. Something very similar is happening with me. They are setting traps to get rid of me.What of it? It would take them,at the very least, a good few months to be able to do that.In the meantime,I can make some more money-it will stand me in good stead in the future.
We will see what happens-why so much strife? I only need to somehow kill time,some years and then the nature itself will set this prisoner free.


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In Huxley's Brave New World, "the Savage" had one demand:  the right to be unhappy.
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