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The Dark Side (a profound concentration of negativity)
« on: June 08, 2017, 09:38:47 am »
Excerpts from Thoughts on the Futility of Life from the Ancient Greeks to the Present by Alan R. Pratt
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Sweetness is always tainted with bitterness ~ Petrinius Arbiter d. A.D.66 "Satyricon"

It was fear that first brought gods into the world.

~ Petrinius Arbiter d. A.D.66 "Satyricon"

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For men who are fortunate, life is short; but for those who fall into misfortune, one night is an infinite time.  ~ Lucian, Epigram  c. A.D. 170

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The Medieval World: Very Dark Ages, Indeed A.D. 500-1350

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While Christianity created a great deal of emotional stress for believers, its impact on the intellectual life of the time was disastrous.  Even the earliest Christians felt that rational analysis was unreliable in matters of faith.  Tertullian, for example, rejected reason altogether and seriously argued that the most persuasive evidence for belief was its patent absurdity.  Eventually the all-encompassing Church became the unquestioned, final authority on both ecclesiastical and secular affairs.  Some of the negative results of this development included a bloodthirsty inquisition, the tortured and unintelligible logic of the scholastic philosophers, and centuries of intellectual intolerance and stagnation. 


He [God] fashioned hell for the inquisitive.

As far as this life of mortals is concerned, which is spent and ended in a few days, what does it matter under whose government a dying man lives?


~  St. Augustine A.D. 374-430
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BOETHIUS 

(Remember Toole's Confederacy of Dunces?  This was the author of The Consolations of Philosophy, the book cherished by the main character, Ignatius Reilly)

Who hath so much happiness that he is not on some part offended with the condition of his estate?

In every adversity of fortune, to have been happy is the most unhappy kind of misfortune.

An everlasting law is made,
That all things born shall fade.

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It is a misery to be born, a pain to live, a trouble to die.

~  St. Bernard of Clairvaux 1090-1153,
    De Consideratione

Tell me, O mortal man, tell me about the putridity of the worm;
Tell me o flesh, o dust, what good is the glory of Flesh?
O man wretch, why do you take pride in putridity?
Learn what you are, what you will be; remember that you will die.
First you were sperm, then stench, then food for worms, then dust,
And thence nothing; what then, does a man have to be proud about?
As the rose pales when it feels the sun draw near, so man will vanish:
Now he is, now he has ceased to be.


~ Cambridge University Library MS Ee, Vi. 29, fol. 17  c.1200

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The Renaissance: The Rebirth of Angst   1350-1625

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Dissatisfaction with the growing wealth and unchecked corruption of the Roman Catholic church helped to disrupt and eventually break down the static medieval worldview, and the long hibernation of free inquiry slowly began to end.  For the first time in a thousand years, investigations into the nature of the world could be conducted without ecclesiastical interference and the threat of heresy. 

For the masses, then, there was no Renaissance, for, as in ages past, they were preoccupied with the same day-to-day struggle for survival that had consumed the lives of their ancestors, a struggle made more difficult, no doubt, by crumbling myths and traditions.

While I thought I have been learning to live, I have been learning to die.
~ Leonardi Da Vinci, 1452-1519, Notebooks


Condemned and doomed to die, we are all shut up in the prison of this world.
~ St. Thomas More  1478-1535, On the Vanity of this Life


It is more secure to be feared than to be loved.
~ Niccolo Machiavelli  1469-1527, from The Prince

To speak of the people is to speak of madmen, for the people is a monster full of confusion and error, and its vain beliefs are as far from truth as is Spain from India.
~  Francesco Guicciardini, The Story of Italy  1853


Will is the pimp of appetite.
~  Lope De Vega  1562-1635, Los Locos de Valencia

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In Michel De Montaigne's [1533-1592] masterpiece of self-analysis, the collected Essays (1560-1580), one can follow the evolution of his thought from stoicism to skepticism.  The more carefully he pursued knowledge, the less he knew.  His motto "What do I know?  What does it matter?" sums up his skeptical reaction to all things.  His answer, "It may be and it may not be," suggests his dissillusionment and cynicism and testifies to his awareness that relativity is everywhere, that there are no absolutes.

We imagine ourselves superior to all creatures by virtue of our reason, he concludes, but all rational theorizing has not revealed even one universal truth. What is, we cannot know.

From Essays:

There is no animal in the world so treacherous as man.

In the midst of compassion we inwardly feel a kind of malicious delight to see others suffer.

We are no nearer heaven on top of Mount Cenis than at the bottom of the sea.

Pleasure itself is painful in its depth.


From "Apology for Raymond Sebond" in Essays II:

Of all the part of what we know is the least part of what we know not.

Nothing is so firmly believed as that which is least known.

By this variety and instability of opinions they lead us as by the hand, tacitly, to this conclusion of their inconclusiveness ... They do not openly to profess ignorance and the imbecility of human reason so as not to frighten the children: but they reveal it to us clearly enough under the guise of a muddled and inconsistent knowledge.

Now, since our condition accommodates things to itself and transforms them according to itself, we no longer know what things are in truth, for nothing comes to us except falsified and altered by our senses.  The uncertainty of our senses makes everything they produce uncertain.

Since the senses cannot decide or dispute, being themselves full of uncertainty, it must be reason that does so.  But no reason can be established without another reason: there we go retreating back to infinity.


That last one reminded me very much of Holden's "philosophical skepticism concerning the validity of the foundations of mathematics," when he writes:

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We can spend our time working on mathematical proofs ,but surely, we cannot overlook the fact that the Dolciani book lays down what is intended to be secure base of absolute truth:the axioms of logic,the intuitively certain principles of mathematics, the self-evident axioms and rules.Each of these foundations is assumed without demonstration,leaving them open to challenge and doubt.This book uses deductive logic to demonstrate the truth of theorems of mathematics.Consequently,the book fails to establish the absolute validity of mathematical truth.For deductive logic can only transmit truth,not inject it,and the conclusion of a proof is no more certain than the weakest premise.

and

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The quest for certainty in mathematics leads inevitably to a vicious cycle.Any mathematical system depends on a set of assumptions,and trying to establish their certainty by proving them leads to infinite regression. There is no way of discharging the assumptions.Without proof,the assumptions remain fallible beliefs,not necessary knowledge.All that can be done is to minimise them,to get a reduced set of axioms,which have to be accepted without proof.The only alternative is to replace one set of assumptions by another.But replacement merely starts off a further circuit of the vicious cycle.

Hence, no reason can be established without another reason: there we go retreating back to infinity.

O senseless man, who cannot make a maggot and yet will make gods by the dozen!


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Hell hath no limits, nor is circumscribed.
In one selfe place, for where we are is hell,
And where hell is, must we ever be.

~  Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus

Hope is the fawning traitor of the mind, while, under color of friendship, it robs it of its chief force of resolution.
~  Sir Philip Sidney, Arcadia   1590

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Re: The Dark Side
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2017, 08:00:28 am »
Thank you so much Herr Hentrich!

I often ask myself -can I have anything to say,I who have no more to do in this world?And what shall I find in this dry and empty brain which is worthy the trouble of being written?
Why not? If all around me is monotonous and colourless ,is there not within me a tempest, a struggle,a tragedy?This sadness & pain  which possess me,does it not take every hour,every instant of my being?Why not try to describe for myself all the violent and unknown feelings I experience in my outcast situation?Certainly the material is plentiful,and,however shortened my life may be,there will still be sufficient in the anguish ,the terrors,the tortures,which will fill it from this hour until my last.Besides ,the only means to decrease my suffering in this anguish will be to observe it closely ,and to describe it will give me an occupation.And then what I write may not be without its use. The description of my wretched existence day by day,torment after torment,if I have strength to carry it on to the moment when it will be physically impossible for me to continue-this history necessarily unfinished,yet as complete as possible.Will not there be in this process of agonizing thought ,in this every increasing progress of pain,in this intellectual dissection of a condemned man more than one lesson for the Gort and the Breeder?
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I often ask myself -can I have anything to say,I who have no more to do in this world?And what shall I find in this dry and empty brain which is worthy the trouble of being written?


“You’ll find that you’re not the first person who was ever confused and frightened and even sickened by human behavior. You’re by no means alone on that score, you’ll be excited and stimulated to know. Many men [and women] have been just as troubled morally and spiritually as you are right now. Happily, some of them kept records of their troubles. You’ll learn from them – if you want to. Just as someday, if you have something to offer, someone will learn something from you. It’s a beautiful reciprocal arrangement. And it isn’t education. It’s history. It’s poetry.” ~ JD Salinger
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Thanks for your feedback Herr Hentrich!
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a profound concentration of negativity
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2017, 10:42:11 am »
No problem, Holden. 

A few from William Shakespeare (if that was really his name, after all is said and done ... Was he really Christopher Marlowe?  That I will not ponder here.)

Reason thus with life:
If I do lose thee, I lose a thing
That none but fools would keep.

Measure for Measure


Thou know'st, the first time we smell the air
We bawl and cry ...
When we are born we cry that we are come
To this great stage of fools.

King Lear


A wonder men dare trust themselves with men.
Timon of Athens

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Baroque Extravagance, Incredulity, and Pessimism

1625-1725

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During this period, the prestige and authority of Christendom was diminished by continuing ferocious doctrinal war begun during the reformation.  The ghastly Thirty Years' War (1618-1648), which devastated central Europe and reduced the population of Germany by a third, was but one of the conflicts initiated between Protestants and Roman Catholics.  For many free thinkers, the debate concerning ecclesiastical authority had little relevance, as their discussion now centered on whether or not a supreme being even existed.

Like Montaigne, Descartes had to admit that our senses can indeed mislead us, and thus all empirical knowledge is suspect.  While Descartes came close to exposing the arbitrary mechanisms which tell us how to experience reality, by the 1730's David Hume would push skeptical analysis to new extremes, demonstrating how everything we assume about reality - mind, substance, and causality - is merely anthropomorphic arrogance.  And just as Descartes had feared, traditional reality - the dominant worldview - began to disintegrate.


Himself is his own dungeon.  ~ Jeremy Taylor  1613-1653, Contemplation on the State of Man


As our life is very short, so it is very miserable, and therefore it is well it is short.  ~ Jeremy Taylor, The Rule and Exercise of Holy Dying

Man's state implies a necessary curse;
When not himself, he's mad; when most himself, he's worse.

~ Francis Quarles  1592-1644, "Emblem"

Famine ends famine.   ~ Ben Jonson, Explorata  1630

For man's greatest offense
Is that he has been born.
  ~  Pedro Calderon de la Barca, Life is a Dream c. 1636

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Sir Thomas Browne  1605-1682

Lord, deliver me from myself.

The heart of man is the place the devils dwell in: I feel sometimes a hell within myself.

Many grow old before they arrive at age.


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If triangles made a god, they would give him three sides.
~  Charles Montesquieu, Personal Letters

It is a stupidity second to none, to busy oneself with the correction of the world.
~  Moliere 1622-1673 Misanthrope

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Blaise Pascal  1623-1662

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Until his leap of faith, Pascal offered insights for a philosophy of rationalized defeat.  And as an angst-ridden genius chronicling his inner turmoil, he experienced some truly black days.  Pascal's prescription is to immerse one's self in strenuous activity - while the activity itself will be meaningless, it will help one overcome meaninglessness.

Too much clarity darkens.

All men naturally hate one another; there could not be four friends in the world.

How hollow is the heart of man, and how full of excrement.

Everything is true in part and false in part.

Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would make one a madman of another order of madness.

What a chimera, then, is man!  What a novelty, what a monster, what a chaos, what a subject of contradiction, what a prodigy!  A judge of all things, feeble worm of the earth, depository of truth, sewer of uncertainty and error, the glory and shame of the universe!

What astonishes me most of all is to see that men are not astonished by their own frailty.

We shall die alone.

The natural misfortune of our mortal and feeble condition is so wretched that when we consider it closely, nothing can console us. 

It may be that there are such things as true proofs, but it is not certain.  Thus that only proves that it is not certain that everything is uncertain - to the greater glory of skepticism.


    Thus human life is nothing but a perpetual illusion; there is nothing but mutual deception and flattery.  No one talks about us in our presence as he would in our absence.  Human relations are only based on this mutual suspicion; and few friendships would survive if everyone knew what his friends said about him behind his back, even though he spoke sincerely and dispassionately.
   Man is therefore nothing but disguise, falsehood and hypocrisy, both in himself and with regard to others.  He does not want to be told the truth.  He avoids telling it to others, and all these tendencies, so remote from justice and reason, are naturally rooted in his heart.

The state of man: inconstancy, weariness, unrest.  One hour of pain is a better teacher than all the philosophers put together.

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Life is a comedy to those who think, a tragedy to those who feel.  ~  Attrib.  Jean Racine  1639-1699

Better mad with everybody than wise alone.  ~ Baltasar Gracian, Oraculo Manual  1647

The wise man always hopes for the best, but expects the worse.  ~  Oraculo Manual


The reasons for doubting are doubtful themselves; one must therefore doubt whether he ought to doubt.   What chaos!  What torment for the mind! ... Our reason is the way to wander, since, when it displays itself with the greatest subtlety, it throws us into such an abyss ... Human reason is a principle of destruction and not of edification; it is only fit to start doubts, and to turn itself all manner of ways to perpetuate a dispute.
~  Pierre Bayle, Selections from the Dictionary

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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2017, 10:26:42 pm »
Thanks for the post.Its a very wise book.

As a reliable compass for orientating yourself in life nothing is more useful than to accustom yourself to regarding this world as a place of atonement, a sort of penal colony. When you have done this you will order your expectations of life according to the nature of things and no longer regard the calamities, sufferings, torments and miseries of life as something irregular and not to be expected but will find them entirely in order, well knowing that each of us is here being punished for his existence and each in his own particular way. This outlook will enable us to view the so-called imperfections of the majority of men, i.e., their moral and intellectual shortcomings and the facial appearance resulting therefrom, without surprise and certainly without indignation: for we shall always bear in mind where we are and consequently regard every man first and foremost as a being who exists only as a consequence of his culpability and whose life is an expiation of the crime of being born.”
― Arthur Schopenhauer, On the Suffering of the World

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I like Inmendham very much. I am completely alone in my office.I stand alone. Completely alone in my family. They all make fun of my lifestyle.
Yes,according to them I am the bad guy. Even Inmendham has his physics. I have nothing.Not even literature. I am face to face with bare painful,agonising existence.
107 billion people have ever lived.I sure feel that no body had to go through such turmoil.Is that egotism? It is possible.
I mean,surely one of them must have suffered more than everyone else,subjectively,if not objectively, could it be that I am he?

I get these fainting spells out of sheer burden of existence.

In the video I posted earlier Inmendham says that he often thinks about people who say"Kill me","Kill me",well,I am certainly of those.
His sister died of cancer. After giving birth to a baby. I swear to God,I'd never reproduce,I do pray to whoever is up there that I get cancer or some fatal disease. I really don't want to live any longer. This existence is too messy.
Unfortunately just as prayers cannot cure cancer ,they also cannot give cancer.All I want to do is to cry all the time,you know. Senor Raul is gone. I don't know what sort of trouble he is in. He was a nice man,an honest man.
Now the only man on this entire planet who listens to my plaintive messages is Herr Hentrich & that also seems too good to be true to me.
Why cannot they open euthanasia booths?
This is certainly something to think about:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3748787/Euthanasia-tourists-rush-Belgium-free-lethal-injections-staggering-2-023-medically-killed-year.html

Maybe I can earn enough money to make that possible,but what if once I reach there,they turn me down for some reason? or my money runs out?
So many what ifs.
And what if I did go through the procedure & it turns out that Schopenhauer is right & "I" go through the whole reincarnation process again?

https://youtu.be/vWZapP8b11s
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Herr Holden,
No, Holden, I am not a nice person. But I thank you for your kind words. I also thank Hentrich for letting me post in this board. No matter what you do you, Hentrich and many others, you will be considered to be villains or the bad guys. You see, Holden, too deep and too much. That´s the reason you are the bad guy. Most people think that because they never went to prison, they are innocent and most think they are sane because they have never been to a psychiatric institution. I can tell you that most of us should be in jail because we want to commit the sames crimes that we condemn in others. You see in WWII sixty million people died murdered by their own governments. How long do you think it will take me to kill that amount people on that industrial scale in that short period of time?

You, Hentrich and others see that we humans are full of deception, worthless,predatory instincts, diseased,selfishness,moral decay, our savagery, vanity, self-interest, lies, hypocrisy, murderous thoughts that we repress all the time and by breeding we keep this hellish machine running.Most would always like to be popular and accepted, to have the good opinion of others because one gets pleasure and of course financial and material gain.We enjoy our submission. We want to feel superior to others but you are not into that because you have seen and still seeing too much. You, bad guy, think while others, incluiding me, we think that we think. Thinking deep causes headaches. Endless nightmare.

You say "they make fun of my lifestyle". In my view that happens because most of them envy you and they are ashamed of thinking the way you do. Yes, I am, sure they have "forbidden" thoughts like you. They won´t admit it anyway. You are a philosophical serial killer, not physical, you kill their little superficial worlds. You are like a werewolf in front of the sheep. You said you handed out antinatalist pamphlets there. That heroic act demanded energy and commitment.
Like Hentrich, you disobey the norms of society. You break their laws.You and Hentrich are beyond "reform".

What you write, you and Holden, is already finest literature. While most deluded become members of the Secret Society of Happy People started by Pamela Gail Johnson of Irving,Texas, others like me read your fine and truthful words. Stay safe. Raúl


P.S. I have been with the flu and my PC did not work.

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Senor Raul,
http://www.liveyourpassion.org/pamela-gail-johnson/

Nothing special in this woman.There are many such idiots in my office.Dime a dozen.
I dont speak much in the office,when I do, I speak in a low, tremulous voice—as if on the verge of tears—that would work very well if I were delivering a funeral eulogy.

When the mass media report suicide stories, they almost always provide a “reason,” which seems to bring logic to the illogic of self-termination. Since there are always things going awry in every life at every moment, the explanation industry usually tells us that the person had a disastrous marriage, or was a hopeless addict, or had just experienced a major career disaster, or was under the influence of a cult. Well,I am not married,I am not an addict,I dont give a rap about my career and am not in a cult.

Nor is suicide an ultimate manifestation of “selfishness” or “cowardice,” as the reason-mongers often argue. Suicide is not a casual behavior, for all that it may entail impulsivity, it is also a profound and momentous step for which many people don’t have the force of will.

Lack of intelligence has nothing to do with it too- intelligence does not help in these circumstances, intelligence  is almost always profoundly isolating.

Most people imagine that resolving particular problems will make them happy. If only one had more money, or love, or success, then life would feel manageable. It can be devastating to realise the falseness of such optimism..
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Herr Holden of Northern India,
"There are many such idiots in my office." Yes, I know because I am one of them.Hahaha. This is a mad world. As you say "this existence is too messy". When the mass media reports suicide stories they have to provide reasons because they are not going to publish the truth. They need to keep this farce going. They are optimists no matter what horrible things humans do every single day. Suicides go against what people call "mission", purpose", "goal", "objective". 

"If only one had more money, or love, or success, then life would feel manageable. It can be devastating to realise the falseness of such optimism." Yes, that´s the naked truth. One can have tons of money, love or success but what happens when you get older and weaker as time passes and you feel yourself decrepit? Of course for the wealthy there are many options such as going to those special Ambrosia clinics in California where you pay US$ 7,000 for a treatment in young blood injected into your body. One can stop aging for some time but the end will come anyway. As you say I feel "the sheer burden of existence" and I see people as future skeletons walking, skeletons drinking and skeletons playing with their skeleton babies. A truly macabre show. Take care of yourself. Raúl


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When the mass media reports suicide stories they have to provide reasons because they are not going to publish the truth. They need to keep this farce going.

 Suicides go against what people call "mission", purpose", "goal", "objective". 

Teen Fights Involuntary Manslaughter Charge in Boyfriend’s Suicide
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Herr Hentrich,
I read both links. What sad stories! Most people find the idea of self-murder almost impossible to understand. Most of us don´t really care about a person who might be going through a living hell. We tend to think that although life is horrible we must go on,on and on. Enjoy the punishment of life, be a happy slave (Arbeit macht frei), be a proud member of the homo sapiens sapiens and then die. But don´t you dare to finish your life on your own. No, no,no. Suffering is good, suffering makes you free.
You want out? That´s for cowards, renegades or losers as you say in the USA.
We must get used to the hardships of life. If somebody tries to speak about life not many are willing to hear and if your neighbor, acquaintance, friend or relative leaves this awful world by committing suicide, we just utter empty words, words to avoid that breath of pointlessness in life.  That´s the problem, we are hyprocrites. So, stick to this funhouse. Life is beautiful.

Your and Holden´s commitment to mathematics remind me of things I read about the famous Pythagoras, one of the Seven Sages of Greece who could remember his past lives and could also see the past lives of his students. He considered that either philosophers should be kings or that kings should be philosophers.
He also thought that numbers were at the heart of the cosmos and also saw numbers in a very different way because for him they were qualitative. Pythagoras and his followers were interested in the meaning of a number, its essence in itself. For him number is the principle, the source, and the root of all things.

Pythagoras and his Brotherhood were vegetarians. Behind the philosophical life one to become pure. He believed that by eating animal flesh, we may eat a human soul that had transmigrated. Beans were forbidden, because they caused flatulence and that could interfere with the contemplative calm the brothers desired.
All property was held in common, and the brothers’ daily routine consisted of studying mathematical diagrams that modeled the harmony in nature and the cosmos. His students would also study the heavens and learn the fundamental principles of music.
You two pursue mathematics in the same way but in different parts of the world. Stay safe.

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Beans were forbidden, because they caused flatulence and that could interfere with the contemplative calm the brothers desired.

Since I am usually alone (and have a perverted liking of the smell of my own farts), beans all alright by me!   :D
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2017, 08:56:58 am »
Senor Raul,
Could you tell me what is the difference between salvation and suicide?Schopenhauer ofcourse says that the two are fundamentally opposite.
I mean if someone were to do away with himself -would all the pain and misery end for him?Surely ,biologically he exists no more but how about metaphysically?
I dream of ever lasting nothingness.Do you think it is difficult for a man to sleep the big sleep?I think the pain entailed in the process is certainly a deterant.

Herr Hentrich,
You must forgive me for not being able to write anything about math-I am just way too sad all the time to do anything.

Senor Raul,do a lot of people end their lives in Paraguay?To exist no more.What a beautiful  thought.No one would be able to hurt us then,would they.Please forgive for not writing sooner.

I have heard that in ancient Greece there was a philosopher who stopped breathing to end his life-you think that is possible?How many days can one go without food,before one is gone for good?What to do ,Senor Raul?There is no end in sight.Every breath is a burden.Should I just quit my job and live as a vagabond?Do you think that will bring me some relief?

I am very sad.



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La Tristesse Durera Toujours                                  (The Sadness Lasts Forever ...)
-van Gogh.