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News(To Senor Raul)
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2018, 11:25:21 am »
Senor Raul,
A news article for you:

A two-and-a-half-year-old girl died after she was breastfed by her mother, who was bitten by a poisonous snake in a village in Muzaffarnagar district, police said on Friday, adding that the woman too died shortly after.
The police said the incident occurred in Mandla village last evening.
The woman was sleeping in her house when she was bitten by a snake, but she did not realise it and breastfed her baby, police said.

According to police, the two were rushed to a hospital when their condition deteriorated. The baby died at the hospital and later the mother was also declared dead by doctors.

Keep well.
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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2018, 06:16:09 pm »
Holden,

Thank you for the news article. A tragic story. I don’t know why but this reminded me of the first suicide case on TV here in 1987. It must have been a shock in the U.S. because the Paraguayan reported it here and the channel showed the U.S.politician, who in a press conference, took a gun and put a bullet into his mouth. It did not show the blood part, only when he was talking and then they blured out his face. Years later I found out his name was Bud Dwyer. 

We are brought into a tragic world. Optimists, "shiny happy people", full of life are never tired of Earth.

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The Pelagian Faith
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2018, 01:40:45 am »
Senor Raul,
Have you heard to the Pelagian Faith?

   After an encounter with a well-meaning diplomat who believed that war could be abolished forever if only international relations were in the hands of reasonable men, Jean-Paul Sartre declared: ‘I believe in the existence of evil and he does not'.
      Though the Upanishads and the Puranas,just like true Christianity,preach the doctrine that human life is marked indelibly by sin,the contemporary culture is animated by what has always been seen as a heresy of Christianity– Pelagius’ doctrine that human nature is not inherently flawed but instead essentially good. Contrary to a venerable academic cliche,the contemporary culture is not Manichean.

True, the Manicheans – followers of a third-century third-century Persian religious teacher – were radical dualists who divided the world into the forces of darkness and light,but they believed good and evil to be coeval, and the struggle between them unending. In contrast, contemporary culture is founded on the Pelagian faith that evil can be defeated and eradicated from the world.

   Born somewhere in Britain in the middle of the fourth century, Pelagius was a theologian who achieved fame by attacking the teaching of Augustine, according to which evil is an intrinsic part of human nature. According to Augustine, society and government will always be radically imperfect. Rejecting this eminently sensible Augustinian view, Pelagius initiated a tradition of thought that eventually gave birth to modern humanism.
The heretical belief that evil can be banished from the world by an act of human will.

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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2018, 02:38:46 am »
'Tis the season for unfit parents to leave their young children to die alone in boiling hot cars (dogs too, which, of course, the typical person cares much less about).
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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2018, 02:44:04 am »
🎵 everything is gonna be all right 🎵
When I am dead. Don't forget the "when I am dead" part, or I am just gonna sound like a complete freaking moron.
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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2018, 08:21:13 am »

Once again thank you for your response. I wish I was a voracious reader like you and above all, a thinker. That is not possible anymore. I have been tamed/domesticated by the system. The Paraguayan education system successfully lobotomized me and others here. Nurse Ratched (One flew over the Cuckoo´s Nest,) represented as teachers, supervisors, principals, directors, parents, etc., all efficiently erased all traces of deep thinking.
From the womb to the tomb we are POWs, under controlled custody. You make Nurse Ratched angry and you what will happen.

You and a few others think about existence. Millions have no clue about the meaning of this world. As long as we have these bodies, these chains, suffering will continue in this human farm. Why do males have nipples if males do not breastfeed? In some very remote past males breastfed. Genetic engineering. Humanb beings are monstrosities.

You know human beings do evil without effort in a natural way. It is part of our human nature. The animal kingdom is also cruel. If there were no humans on this planet and only animal life, cruelty will still exist. Hentrich gave an example of the little duck. Even a world with only animals, is not worth it. Years ago here in the botanical garden an elephant killed a child.

Indeed this Earth is controlled by men and power who pretend to be reasonable in their twisted ways. Their crimes, to us, are just games to them. But I focus more on the evil committed by ordinary human beings. I read a little about two Josephs and one Jack, one Joseph Ball who killed twenty of his girlfriends. If one of them became pregnant, he fed her to his pet alligators he had in his swimming pool.

Joseph Briggen from California killed homeless men and fed them to his pigs. Jack Gilbert Graham in 1955 blew up a civilian airliner with the dynamite he put in the mother´s suitcase. As a result his mother and forty people died.  He wanted to collect his mother’s insurance. I read that one out of every one thousand people is a psychopath. Maybe years later I could become one of them, maybe a few words, an event, can activate my impulses and do something really ugly. Who knows?

The only thing I remembered about the Gnostics is that Yahweh /Jehovah is not the true god, but a demiurge. Jehovah is a sadist and perverse, vindictive, and jealous. This evil world, filled with blood and crime, is truly his work. After all this cruel and capricious deity preferred the sacrifice of Abel to the offering of Cain. Human beings are made in the image and likeness of our builders. 

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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2018, 09:53:43 am »
Dear Senor Raul,


Thank you for the reply.

“Naturally—and why should I not admit this—I have occasionally wondered to myself how things might have turned out in the long run.... I only speculate this now because in the light of subsequent events, it could well be argued that in making my decision...I was perhaps not entirely aware of the full implications of what I was doing. Indeed, it might even be said that this small decision of mine constituted something of a key turning point; that that decision set things on an inevitable course towards what eventually happened.

But then, I suppose, when with the benefit of hindsight one begins to search one's past for such 'turning points', one is apt to start seeing them everywhere.... What would have transpired, one may ask, had one responded slightly differently...? And perhaps—occurring as it did around the same time as these events?”
― Kazuo Ishiguro, The Remains of the Day

Have you watched this movie? You might like it.


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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2018, 11:27:55 am »
Holden,
I watched the movie in 1998 with Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson. Fine movie. I like Anthony Hopkin´s performance, specially in The Silence of the Lambs. The other actor, Edward Fox, yes I remember him in The Day of the Jackal.

Maybe this word cannot be applied to you because it involves physical violence, but you must see yourself as a lone wolf of pessimism. As they say in American English you think outside the box. And also as they say in American English you need to fly under the radar.  It is dangerous to be an advertiser of pessimism.

Ten days ago I talked to a young electrician. He asked me if I had religious beliefs. I said I did not go to any church at all. I said to him that, to keep it short, that life is a punishement. He kindly advised me to pray and read the Bible. I said I would not do that. But he insisted anyway. I said that the pain of life cannot be cured with an aspirin(prayers and the Bible). I did not press him because he is the father of a baby. This is not the first time I have these conversations. When some give me advice, to look on the bright side of life, I try to stay silent.

There is much horror in life but we tend to hide from this horror.

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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2018, 05:46:53 am »
For Senor Raul:

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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2018, 08:34:25 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your suggestion. I saw this movie Spider (Ralph Fiennes) many years ago. It is worth watching it again. I think I should also be sent to a mental institution and never released.

Stay safe and sound.

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Phenomenology of Evil
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2018, 07:28:51 am »
Dearest Senor Raul,

Though I have not seen you, I often picture you as having a benevolent face,at least, for the likes of me.As I write to you I am suffering from some sort of bug-a flu. Too weak to focus to work & too timid to ask for a leave.

The ancients, the ones who lived in India, thousands of years back faced the same problems. In the morning it is a virtual stampede  for seats on the train. If you are a weakling you will have to stand for the whole of the journey.

A very virulent flu is doing the rounds here-they say it can kill you within 2 days. In the train folks sneeze and cough at me with complete liberty.
You know I much Schopenhauer has changed my life. My parents pop anti-anxiety pills & I read Herr Hentrich.

I think we are something really special going on here-I mean, this forum provides me opportunity to interact with the likes of you & Herr Hentrich.

While you often call yourself a cruel man-you are one of the kindest.They think I am stupid-good for nothing.I may not be a smart man,but I know what true philosophy & true brotherhood.

Have you experienced Deja vu? Sometimes I get a feeling that in some past life I was some sort of mercenary soilder who fought on behalf of the Romans & that I was captured by the Germanic tribe. I was a prisoner of war. In ancient Germania as a slave I  ran into a holyman (much like our Herr Hentrich), who taught me the true philosophy.

When I was in my mid thirties I went to the Black Forest to meditate & embrace voluntary dehydration-but  somehow someone or something tempted me & my penance remained incomplete…

It might all just be a fancy of a mind on cough & cold syrup.I duuno.


Keep well ,my Paraguayan friend.




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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2018, 07:49:39 am »
I feel that you were there too-in the Black Forest.You were meditating too-something something bad,really bad happened with the three of us-something did not allow us to pull the plug from this game of existence. Something forced us to carry-on.Something most evil & abominable…

The temptation was too strong to resist,I must have thought that I can tackle everything the world can throw at me.I put on this body.I must have over estimated my own capacity & no one stopped me because I  represent the Will itself.

In the metro the ladies wear unbecoming clothes or maybe I am a prude.But what you get is the naked dance of sensuality. Kinds as old as 12 have boyfriend & girl friend –I must appear to them like a odd man indeed.

I try so hard no deny the will to live-in every possible way.The good vendors have been selling dog meat to the customers ( & calling it chicken).
One will think I am boasting when I say I am no longer afraid of death-but I think is it true-or am I deluding myself? If I were to disappear today the city wont miss me-there a dozens to dead bodies found on its streets everyday.

But this time I must not give in to the temptation.Do I come across as a woman-hater? No,the fact is most of the  people who know hate me.  How can a non-entity hate anyone,let alone the powerful feminist lobby?

In the twilight,when the sun has disappeared but its still day-I feel overwhelming sadness,melancholy- I wish I could disappear as easily as the sun light.

Bless you & keep well.

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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2018, 07:28:56 pm »
Holden,
I trust you are taking care of yourself. I suppose you have medical check-ups from time to time. Here it is beginning to get cold. I suffer from sinusitis so I have a bad time.

I have an average face but not a benevolent spirit. I have a dark skin, we call it here “morocho” or brown. My late mother used to complain about my skin because she was white. She did not like blacks. In her view they were not people. 

We do not have subways and our buses are really for transporting cattle but not human beings. Although the cows do not deserve to be taken in our buses. That is the reason we have so many motorbikers because the bikes are cheap but there are accidents every day.

Yes, I understand that Arthur is a good antidote. I remember reading him for the first time in 1999 in Spanish. Specially the section about death really fascinated me.

I disagree with your statement. The fact that you know much about philosophy and brotherhood makes you a highly intelligent person.  But of course you and others like you pay the price. As you say you are an odd man to many. Your deep views about existence is not going to help you “win friends and achieve success”. Certainly Jeff Bezos will not hire you.

As in the scene in Matrix when Neo meets the Architect of the Universe Neo is informed he is an anomaly in this prison farm. You too are an anomaly. You are not politically correct. You are not pro-life, you are on the “wrong side” of life. You are defeatist. You are a reject. As they say in American English you are “non-positive”. You are a villain.

There is nothing you can do against the women who want to bring slaves into this world. It is sad to include one´s parents in this festival. They were thoughtless and selfish. They needed a meaning in their lives and that meaning came in the form of a tiny human being.

Verbally I was cruel to many. I am selfish. If I ever get married I can only love my woman but I cannot love all the women in the world. Human beings are very possessive and jealous. Part of our programming.

Two years ago I saw a Polish movie named Warsaw, about the Polish uprising in 1944 against the German occupation. In one scene there is an underground hospital and an SS officer starts killing the sick and the doctors. I clearly picture myself doing the same thing. I could have been also a Kapo in a concentration camp who sold out to the Nazis to save the miserable skin. Of course I do not know if I truly could do that should the circumstances arise.

Once I read a book written by a soldier named Sven Hassel. He was in a penal battalion there. He said that members of the Dirlewanger Brigade shot anyone they saw. They threw babies against the wall and raped, and tortured. When I see on TV the celebrations of V-E Day in Europe  and the celebrations here this shows that we, human beings, celebrate our torture and our tormentors.

It shows that our mind has been programmed by demonic beings. This explains our greed, our cruelty, our lack of respect for our fellow human beings. We have been made in their image and likeness. But only a few realize our demonic nature. We are in a tragic situation. We are the marionettes. I wonder if after death a nurse who took care of the elderly and the sick in her lifetime, will get to the same place as a sicario who ruthlessly killed people.

Déjà vu? We could have been in the Black Forest. Maybe you were a gymnosophist. Yes, I heard that word déjà vu. Who knows? I may have experienced it that but I must have forgotten it. Maybe you can check this scientist named Dr. Ian Stevenson from Canada. I only read a review about his work. He is said to have demonstrated the existence of past lives in interviews with children between the ages of 5 and 12. After that age children forget those events. I read that the use of hypnosis used by very professional doctors can help people remember past lives.

This reminds me of the movie about General George Patton. In one scene he says that in ancient times he was a soldier. This is something that most would not want to deal with. It is a huge problem.

The fact that we are being born here and these past lives or reincarnation clearly mean that we are truly condemned. The early Christians believed in reincarnation but later these beliefs were removed from the teachings of the Church.

I only know that I would never want to be born again. I know it sounds bad but to be born in the body of a macaque is completely humiliating. Once somebody told me that females had two kinds of pleasures. One is when the chunk of sShit comes out of the aass and the other is when the other male chunk gets into the asss. I laughed at that time. But not anymore. 

Yes, when I die I will not be missed either because after all the show must go on. I do not think you hate women. You, I, came from the wombs of our mothers. My late mother said to me that she followed a treatment to bring me into this horror show. Damn the doctors who helped her.

Once again, take care of your health.

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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2018, 06:39:47 am »
Senor Raul,

Thank you for the reply. Sorry for the delayed response -I often disappear in the mist of depression which leaves me completely immobile. I am a little better now. Would you be kind enough to tell me if there are any minority religions in Paraguay & does the state extend any special protection to them against persecution?
If you don't mind my asking- do you belong to the majority denomination or the minority one?(Please feel free to ignore it, if you like).

They say that feeling persecuted is a symptom of a mental disorder but cannot they see? Most people are hostile if not downright murderous. I can name at least 50 people who would like to do away with me in a heartbeat if only they could get away with the consequences (legal ones, not the ones related to ones conscience-they don't have one).

When I was a boy I used to read a lot of superhero comic books- they helped me to alleviate my anxiety. Unfortunately, they don't work any longer. Heck,nothing works anymore.
I feel the evil is omnipresent.It is everywhere. The modern man no longer believes in the evil, in the evil. One of the great things about you is the you have a very healthy appreciation for demonic presence. Well, I feel it too. All around me. Something wicked, horrible & inconceivably evil.

I keep thinking about Lovecraft & how such a man could say yes to the institution of matrimony,well, his consent or not, the marriage did not last very long ,did it?I mean the woman just fulfilled her fantasy & when she was satiated he was just chucked away-like something expendable. Well, much as I wish I were not born,here I am,yes.

Keep well in Paraguay.
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Re: Faith in Science
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2018, 08:39:37 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your words. I hope you are better now.

Yes, there are minority religions here. We have the Russian Orthodox Church whose Patriarch came last year. There is also an Anglican church whose services are in English. The Mennonites have their own churches in the Chaco Region and we have many evangelical churches. We have the Jehova´s Witnesses, the Mormons, the Lutherans church.   In 1992 the new Constitution abolished all kinds of financial support by the state for the Catholic Church. As far as I know there is almost no problem with these evangelical churches regarding political or religious persecution. I remember last year the Catholic bishops complained about a Masonic lodge here.  Of course the Freemasons are a different matter.

I say almost no problem because from time to time the mass media reports cases where pastors or priests are denounced for sexual harassment or problems with their schools.

I do not belong to any denomination or church or temple. My parents were Catholic but they becane members of  a Spiritualist organization named Escuela Científica Basilio here.

I understand the reasons you are being attacked. From what you have written you are seen as a misfit or defective. It is
not your fault, in my view, because you have an active and curious mind. I can say that you are hero but the word hero means that existence is horrible.

Sometimes I picture you as a doctor who has already given his diagnosis and the diagnosis is that life is a punishment. This truth hurts. The good doctor Holden has carefully observed the patient(s) and the symptons. The medication, well, the easiest or the most difficult depending on the patient(s), is going to a cave and meditate. Of course there are other kinds of medication such as reading Schopenhauer, Cioran, Benatar, Caraco, Hentrich,etc,etc.

At least 50 people? Probably there are more who would like to see you drown in th Ganges. I must be in a black list too. It is part of life. I admit I woud like to get rid of many people as well. Like any human being I want blood like Dracula. But I have to hide and smile because I have been tamed by the system and their laws.
 
You see, in my view, we are the evil present. In my view modern men and women too seek evil in a different way. Here we do not have these games but in other countries there is simulated murder as a game with toy guns. Then you have these famous boxers whose job, as the gladiators in Rome, is to give some thrill to the people.That shows that we are designed for harming our fellow human beings. Human beings are sadistic creatures who enjoy conquering, destroying, torturing, and dominating others. We are predators. To turn the other cheek, as Jesus said, is not in the DNA.

Businesspeople hurt others with their display of wealth. I also would like to hurt many with wealth and violence. Businesspeople do more harm than dictators and tyrants.

Of course as, you know, violence is like a drug and that is the reason we have so many movies that influence our behavior. Ever saw kung-fu fighter Bruce Lee? I wanted to beat some of my classmates with nunchakus until they bled. I would like to have Mike Tyson with as a bodyguard.

On the other hand, as you also know, our brain produces these so-called chemicals that makes us feel good, i.e. dopamine and serotonin. Violence is pleasant. Maybe you saw Clint Eastwood using his powerful Magnum .44 in the movies. Or a newer version Timothy Oliphant in Hitman. That is the way many would like to feel with a gun. Invincible and angry.

Lovecraft had weaknesses like all of us. Women are the trap. They follow their programming.  I am sure many men say yes to the wedding because they just want to break the pipe and the way to the bedroom is through matrimony.  Then later they regret havind done but it is too late.  Unwanted babies come and the suffering continues.  In short, men and women are just tools for fattening this laboratory farm.

I do not want to be born again. We have been kidnapped and placed in this prison farm.   

Take care.