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Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« on: September 28, 2020, 01:20:29 pm »
Abbey was a hillbilly intellectual park ranger and fire lookout who wrote novels suffused with high spirits and sweet anarchy.  Throughout my life, I have become more and more confused about the Natural World, especially after reading Thomas Ligotti's Conspiracy.  I would sure love to hear a conversation between Ligotti and Abbey ...

In "A Writer’s Credo," Abbey declared, "I write to entertain my friends and to exasperate our enemies. To oppose, resist, and sabotage the contemporary drift toward a global technocratic police state, whatever its ideological coloration…I write for the joy and exultation of writing itself."

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

Government: If you refuse to pay unjust taxes, your property will be confiscated. If you attempt to defend your property, you will be arrested. If you resist arrest, you will be clubbed. If you defend yourself against clubbing, you will be shot dead. These procedures are known as the Rule of Law.

Our “neoconservatives” are neither new nor conservative, but old as Babylon and evil as Hell.

"If a man can't piss in his own front yard, he's livin' too close to town"



Edward Abbey was labeled xenophobic, puerile, dopey, racist, sexist, an "eco-brutalist," a "creeping fascist hyena." One reviewer suggested he be "neutered and locked away for life."

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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2020, 11:13:56 am »
Coincidentally, I came across a copy of his Desert Solitaire last week and have begun reading it.

I wish everyone on this board well and I am slowly going through the recent comments. Nothing more to add at the moment; take care.

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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2020, 05:34:12 pm »
It is always a pleasure to read something written by you, Mr.Silenus.I hope you are doing alright.

Senor Raul,I had some of the very worst days of my life while I was working in a hotel. I had no friends there and almost everyone made fun of me. I was a very awkward waiter.Now, I do not believe in Providence, but if I did I would say that it was the hand of Providence which took me to the very worst of places in this country when I was just about 18.

I would stand outside the night club with a lamp(having a wick) and would boil water and them steam the used glasses and them wipe them off and send them in again to be reused.

Then, I was a real glutton, so when the glasses would arrive half empty,I thought the dark liquid was Coke or Pepsi and I would drink it before wiping the glasses. Only, it was not just Coke or just Pepsi, it was almost always mixed with some kind of alcohol.

My supervisor said I was too clumsy to be of much use in the guest area so I was assigned to do the task which I have just described.
There were these rich people, very rich people, who would come to the night club and dance the whole of the night away while I sat on an upturned crate with my lamp and my half empty glasses and looked through a dark mirror fitted in the door separating the back area from the club.

I was not jealous. I did not want to drink or dance like them even then. What I wanted was to hide and to try to understand the existence I was experiencing willy-nilly.

Sometimes there were some left over french fries on some of the plates -I gobbled them down too.

Take care ,my Paraguayan friend.


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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2020, 04:24:03 pm »
Holden,

Yes, it is possible that somebody passes away in his/her sleep. It sometimes happens.

A pessimistic thinker is able to see that men and women are only pure at the beginning of their lives. Later as they grow older everything becomes darkness and corruption. Children are still innocent because they are far from vices. Consider yourself blessed for having a negative market value. 

You had quite an experience working at that hotel. Trying to understand the existence is a long mission. You worked in a very bad place, you write, but having worked in this hotel helped you gain some understanding of this sorry affair called life.

You have a friend from Danzig and his name is Arthur Schopenhauer. Yes, millions eat, sleep, ffucck, and reproduce. In other circumstances I would have done the same thing and like many I would have been proud of having a family. Fortunately I did not marry and I did not father a child.   

You say you do not believe in the hand of Providence but maybe it is Providence who led you to correspond in this board with highly armed and dangerous people, I mean, philosophically speaking. Every single day we are surrounded by crowds but few persons. We live in a mad world where at an individual level we do not count at all.
Reading a little about kings, emperors, queens, popes, generals, sicarios, torturers, psychopaths, serial killers, mass murderers and the Illuminati have given me a little glimpse into the dark heart of our humanity. All the history books must have their covers in red because blood drips from their pages.

Some compare human life to the life of a fly. The fly also wants to live because its programming makes it do it despite the fact it goes from excrement to excrement and there it leaves its eggs in wounds, excrement, garbage or even corpses. Can we really call this life? For the fly it is because it knows no other thing. The same happens to us, human puppets, because we cling to the misery of this existence and even we fear the moment that we will lose it. Only a few discover that life is a disease in itself.

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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2020, 05:30:13 pm »
You worked in a very bad place, you write, but having worked in this hotel helped you gain some understanding of this sorry affair called life.-Senor Raul

Senor Raul,

I agree with you in that had I managed to go a nice college at that point of time, had I  "succeeded", it might have been far worse than my "failure". My cohorts, most of them, are married with kids.I might have become an arrogant gort.
We are indeed like flies-

As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport. -Shakespeare

Thank you for being you kind to me in a world as cruel as this one.
The world is not only cruel but,it is also,in the final analysis, incomprehensible. Many Romans, I think Seneca too, cut their veins in hot bath water:

https://www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/death-seneca/

However,many years ago , I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a doctor( and awfully proud of being one), she told me that she has seen such attempts,and more often than not, the person ends up losing the wrist,in the sense  that he can no longer lift anything any longer with his hand ,but in most cases, survives.
To be born, then to grow old and finally to be no more,what sense is there in that? Only a great deal  of trouble and misery.And I am not even talking about animal life,unlike Mr.Gary. There is enough here to drive the sanest of men into the arms of insanity.

I just remembered something rather comic which happened back in the hell-hotel. Well, maybe I'd narrate it tomorrow.

Take care,Senor Raul.

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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2020, 01:26:58 am »
That is a powerful rendition of that song.  Thanks Holden.
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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2020, 04:34:07 pm »
So many books in  the market to ward off Pessimism. Why fight the truth?They get married because they feel lonely or because they wish to conform the the social standard and then they have a baby to keep the marriage from falling apart( it does not work of course).

Why is it that most of the truly great novels end with the protagonist dying?Most people are busy bodies ,they are full of curiosity to find out what others are doing.It is all so very absurd.To live for a few decades, and to suffer a great deal while one is alive and then to die..in a world which is also on the verge of getting extinguished.

If Siddhartha the Buddha were our contemporary ,he would probably be exchanging messages with us here. He was disgusted with life and all that it entails thousands of years back.

Most people find it strange that I can go for days and weeks without ever exchanging a single syllable with anyone. Well, I would open my mouth to ask such people only one thing- what exactly is there to say?

I see people who can hardly get away from the social media for a few minutes. They feel as if life is passing them by.
They want the others to think that they have this perfect life, a perfect marriage, they are all laughing together and having a jolly good time.

I don't buy such nonsense.They all want to have wonderful families. In their world ,cancer does not exist. Or is as easily curable as a mild bellyache.How many shocks, intense shocks ,can the flesh withstand .Not many. The husband says he goes to work for the wife, lives for the wife,and the wife also says the same. But in truth, they are all programmed to draw air into their lungs and deposit semen in the female nether cavity.

What they want and spend money to obtain are optimistic self-help books and videos. They are allergic to pessimism.
I do declare, I don't want to win friends and I certainly do not want to influence people.





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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2020, 05:57:35 am »
Holden,

Each one of you, Hentrich, Silenus, Ibra, etc., have a big problem. You refuse to bend before the crowds. Each one of you is a rebel soul. And much worse you are proud of that. The world by instinct knows that each one of you does not belong here. You think too much.For this counterfeit world thinking is dangerous. The least one can say that each one of you is existentially impure to this hellish world.

This world is ruled by wolves. Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth, Kill or be killed is the law in this world of the living dead. As Dear Comrade Stalin said, “show me the man and I will tell you his number in the Criminal Code.” Everything we touch is charged with suffering like electricity. Terror and vigilance is all around us. Even the cruelest predators must kill or themselves die.

Do you think our serf masters have good hearts? After all we are just property in this human farm. I have inherited the bovine resignation of my ancestors. I am part of a machinery where I am just a faceless dot.

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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2020, 07:26:51 am »
A terrifying world where there is not the least bit of a chance to commit to a mathematics textbook.  How does one destined to hang from a rope (by mobs, packs, systemized force of silent majority, etc., ...) endure his/her existence in the meantime, in day to day existence? 

Surely, there must be the boring day to day hum-drum existence, where one has time for scholarly pursuits.  I wonder if political or other forms of brutal murder, even those everyday kind, like a lone scholar beat to a pulp by wealthy young ruffians, left in a ditch to die.  You know, the guy with the chestful of notebooks, the guy who gets chastised by his wife and mocked by the Confederacy of Dunces.  After his senseless death (dead in the rain in a ditch), his wife destroys (discards) the chest filled with notebooks, of course.

Do we have access to anyone's subjective moment-to-moment experience, beyond any political or social narrative?   It is said that our death defines us.  Is this always the case?  What about all the other days of our crawl upon the great mother earth?  What about what is in our hearts or the chaotic state of our relations with those "close to our hearts" ?

What defines any of us?  Would I be seen as an emotionally disturbed lunatic were i to suffer a mishap at the hands of the mob?  Or, by some miracle, might my notebooks be salvaged, and I might be a Spiritual Friend to many students of mathematics all over the planet, from beyond the grave?   

I wake up in the morning filled with anxiety about the future, but checking in here keeps me grounded.  I suppose an honest thinker must be prepared for the Hemlock, after all.
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2020, 03:35:21 pm »
"...why is the Park Service so anxious to accommodate the indolent millions born on wheels and suckled on gasoline, who expect and demand paved highways to lead them in comfort, ease and safety into every nook and corner of the parks? For the answer to that we must consider the character of what I call Industrial Tourism and the quality of mechanized tourists - the Wheelchair Explorers - who are at once the consumers, the raw material and the victims of Industrial Tourism."

"...their backbreaking upholstered mechanized wheelchairs..."

"The automobile[...]has become a bloody tyrant"

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Some of us see the madness of the automobile and the Paved Planet.
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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2020, 03:54:30 am »
I think of Gasoline (Oil) as something otherworldly, it is too convenient for the human race.

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So, is oil really worth $100 a barrel? Another way of looking at it is to compare oil to a horse. A horse laboring a standard 40-hour work week (eight hours a day, five days a week, 50 weeks a year) would have to labor for more than one year to produce the energy in a barrel of oil. Do you think a horse could be fed and maintained for a year for $100? Not likely.

Human labor is even worse. A fit human adult can sustain about one-tenth of a horsepower, so a human would have to labor more than 10 years to equal a barrel of oil.



what an elegant way he,Abbe, describes the modern consumerist society " - the Wheelchair Explorers - who are at once the consumers, the raw material and the victims of Industrial Tourism."



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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2020, 03:04:09 pm »
Senor Raul

I hope that you have been keeping well
I have been thinking about the Cathars today and was reminded of what you told me about them
you see the problem is that i do not see any meaning in life or in the world
pascal and kierkegaard say what is needed is faith but i humbly beg to differ
i think it is more honest to face the fact that there might be no way out of this system of horror and abject misery

i recall that in one of your messages you said something to the effect that we are all slaves on the planet and probably would continue to be one even after we are dead and i think there might be more than a grain of truth in that

most people are too naive or brain washed or what have you to come to grips with the reality of life
so many people more sensitive and intelligent than me have lived before and have died
when i was in calcutta i came across a british graveyard which was opened in the early eighteenth century and closed before the cenitury was over
it was full of lords and ladies and now no one even knows their names

i certainly would not mind an early death but while i am still alive i would very much like to spend as much time alone as i possibly can
it is the next best thing

i am sorry for writing this way
My board is acting up again
I will try to fix it tomorrow

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2020, 09:06:48 am »
Holden,

Thank you for your words. I have just heard that the government paid in advance for the vaccines. Oxford University said trials of a coronavirus vaccine that was developing with pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca would resume, days after pausing due to a reported side effect in a patient in Great Britain. And this vaccine with side effects is going to be applied in this country whose targets will be the children and then the general population. The plan is going ahead according to their schedule.

You think too much and that complicates life. You had better stick to maths. Numbers are beautiful because they cannot be stained by human vices.

Honesty is a virtue that this world does not appreciate. 

The beliefs of the Cathars are a deep subject. I wish I had started reading about the Gnostics and the Cathars thirty years ago.

Reading a little about them I found that a Cathar perfectus asked the Inquisition: “How can the fire that burns the houses of the poor and holy be created by God?” Another Cathar asked his interrogator: “How can the God who sends suffering to good men be good himself?” They were/are deep questions. I am sure that millions of people must be asking the same questions right now.

Yes, we are slaves or pawns in this human farm or laboratory. Maybe you have heard of Dr. John Calhoun´s experiment. It was called Universe 25. I know what I watched on the Tube. The ethologist conducted experiments on Norway rats between 1958 and 1962. Although Dr. Calhoun did what he could for his mouse paradise in two years the population collapsed and vanished. Probably the mice could not endure the paradise.

This reminds me of the scene in Matrix where Neo wants to know what the truth is. Morpheus says that the truth is: “That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind.”


Yes, I was also naïve or brainwashed in coming to grips with reality of life.

Death and reincarnation are very deep and complex issues. When I was in secondary school I read an account by the philosopher Plato with his story of Er in Spanish. About this story I found the following in English: 

Er, the son of Armenius, was a Pamphylian by birth. He was killed in battle, and ten days later, when the bodies of the dead were taken up already in a state of corruption, his body was found untouched by decay, and taken home to be buried. And on the twelfth day, as he was lying on the funeral pyre, he returned to life and told them what he had seen in the other world. He said that when his soul left the body he went on a journey with a great company, and that they came to a mysterious place at which there were two openings in the earth; they were near together, and over against them were two other openings in the heaven above. In the intermediate space there were judges seated, who commanded the just, after they had given judgment on them and had bound their sentences in front of them, to ascend by the heavenly way on the right hand; and in like manner the unjust were bidden by them to descend by the lower way on the left hand; these also bore the symbols of their deeds, but fastened on their backs.

Stay safe.


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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2020, 10:24:22 am »
Terrifying footage, Senor Raul.  It gives me insight into the nature of militarization, policing, intense social control, etc.  It used to be that I saw Orwell's 1984 for the developing Third World and Huxley's Brave New World for the First World, but nowadays the First Worlders walk (drive) right by the Third Worlders all over the planet, all up in the nooks and crannies of the Military-Medical Complex of the Industrial World.  How is one to process such brute facts?  Civilization and the civilizing process are NOT CIVILized.  When certain segments of the population are somewhat disciplined (or well-paid), well-fed, and desensitized to extreme violence, while so many are left crippled, wounded or otherwise desperate, there seems to be no mercy in such scenarios.  One might begin to suspect that he/she himself/herself is too sensitive for this world and wither away on the spot.

Paid mercenaries are difficult for my mind to grasp, and I shudder when I witness the brutality of armed, well-fed, machismo-maxima males sadistically gloating in their raw brute physical dominance of the population.

So, other than the sometimes controversially cited "Planet of the Apes," I am not sure if any dystopian novel has been able to reproduce the particular nature of this type of phenomenon.  I am afraid to imagine the kinds of deals going on many hundreds of years ago on the coasts of Africa ... the slave trade ... the way, no matter what the color or ethnicity, some "predatory energy" is able to reproduce the plantation dynamic with "owners," and their militarized (heavily armed) gangs of hyper-macho sociopaths with badges and medals who often, at the end of the day, just "do their own thing" (circus of horrors committed by the foot soldiers run amuck, money-spinning tools gone haywire) ... something sinister in the lizard brain of humanity when infused with power; but what is true Power?  The man with the gun believes he has it.

These official loose cannons are funded by the states which produce them to manage the populations on the global plantation.  Sometimes, "the boys" get out of the conscious moment-by-moment control of their respective Doctor Frankensteins.  It is possible that the armed goons identify with State-Mafia-Brute-Force-Military-Superiority so strongly, that all their empathy gets shut down completely.  They have become Monsters Incarnated via some demonic male energies of the primate psyche?  We are primates, first and foremost, and such behaviors have roots in our ancestral heritage, that is, in chimpanzee populations, where there is evident gang mentality - that is, when a pack of males dominates the population by brute force.  It is supposed to be for the protection of the whole, but maybe the mechanics go haywire, and the dominant elements, rather than protect the vulnerable, do away with their lives as if taking out the trash to the curb.

It all makes the world of the Music Industry, "Have a Cigar, you're gonna far ..." + Gnarcotic Gang more than a little creepy.  The Artist as Renegade, but just a money-spinning tool of renegade sociopathic capitalists, as in Murder Inc. ?   Go troops, go? Who are "the troops" in this dark shadow world on this dead rock in the middle of nowhere?

How can we even take our ambitions seriously?  Our disappointments with the nature of existence do pale in comparison to these extreme examples of "brother kill brother" --- Man as Wolf to Man.

Who is The Man??  Who is The King of the Thug-Man Kingdom?  King #1, King #2, King #3, etc ... and an explosion of violence to see who gets to run the perspective zones of this here plantation.

Natives on the American continents were slaughtered as if clearing some ground of "weeds," and the soldiers knelt proudly beside the corpses of their victims for photographs.  Some natives joined the armies of various warring Kings and Presidents, under the influence of hard liquor and demands by F-Troop that they choose a side (war propaganda).  The nightmare is real.  One would have to be incredibly insensitive, morbid, and cynical to find anything at all amusing about the general effects of militarizing local police and security forces with such authority.

  One day they may militarize the school systems globally. 

I would prefer to embrace the realm of mathematics as a treasure, in solitude, since I think as a solitary subject, than to serve as some kind of prison-guard/psychic-dictator to a classroom of teenagers.  Adults in a commune style hermitage when food is plenty, maybe.  I find it frustrating that systemic schooling turns out to be so much more geared toward training or supervising than it does toward actual education and nurture.  For me, as one who loves such things as uniquely explicit math textbooks, my stance towards formal education is problematic.  I have always had to guard against allowing institutional academic protocol and politics to destroy my inherent wonder for the subject, whether it is philosophy or mathematics, or computer programming, for that matter.

I suppose I ought to be more thankful I don't have some goon screaming at me to lay on the ground so he can blow my brains out more smoothly.
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Re: Ed Abbey and the Nightmare of Modern History
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2020, 03:27:54 pm »
Senor Raul,

Thank you for the message. I hope that you get proper treatment for your eyes.

I thought about you today when I came to know that one of the Spanish mystics of the middle ages described God as Nada,as Nothing.

You write beautifully.

One has to be blind to say that this world was meant to be an amusement park for us.More like a torture chamber ,if you ask me.

So many kinds of tools of torture.More than there are stars in the sky.

There are some areas of maths that appear to be contrived and yet the others flow out from the first principles.

Similarly, optimism is extremely contrived and pessimism is the very soul of deductive reasoning.

Darkness is everywhere.Even if one is well to do ,life can be a nightmare but to be living in a refugee camp must be terrible indeed.

Take care,Senor Raul and please do keep writing.
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