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An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« on: December 25, 2015, 01:11:50 pm »
In the spirit of Barbara Ehrenreich's Smile or Die: How Positive Thinking Fooled America and the World, this is an invitation to bash positive thinking.

It may be ironic, but negative thinking consoles me.
Things They Will Never Tell YouArthur Schopenhauer has been the most radical and defiant of all troublemakers.

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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2015, 03:14:53 pm »
Its snowing still (gloomily) & freezing.
However,(brighting up a little)-we haven't had an earthquake lately!

I am a very loving & positive person,so do not give me any negative BULLSHIT!


Life IS positive,HIV+ve.
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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2015, 03:30:10 pm »
I rejoice that I have no children and that our species will inevitably go extinct.

We might as well articulate our most forbidden sentiments.  Let us treat this message board as a haven for NEGATIVE thinking.   

When they say "Smile or Die" we can gladly choose DIE.

Things They Will Never Tell You:

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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2015, 06:30:56 pm »
  "Most people think life sucks, and then you die. Not me. I beg to differ. I think life sucks, then you get cancer, then your dog dies, your wife leaves you, the cancer goes into remission, you get a new dog, you get remarried, you owe ten million dollars in medical bills but you work hard for thirty five years and you pay it back and then one day you have a massive stroke, your whole right side is paralyzed, you have to limp along the streets and speak out of the left side of your mouth and drool but you go into rehabilitation and regain the power to walk and the power to talk and then one day you step off a curb at Sixty-seventh Street, and BANG you get hit by a city bus and then you die. Maybe." - Denis Leary

I found this at uriupina.com

I took a look at her websites worth visiting, and thought I'd place a link from a link from a link ... just to zero in on some possible forums in case one wants to take a break from solitary reading or discuss ideas with like-minded weirdos.

What a small world!  I Notice she has a link to Say No To Life.  This is a blog by the Karl that used to post at my old message board before it got disappeared.  I wonder if this is going to be our fate with freeboards.org as well.  Is it worth creating something more secure, or should we just continue to wing it?

The latest post at SAY NO TO LIFE is We Will Always Be Ruled By Thugs

Well, one thing leads to another, and after reading a comment by "Mr. Mean-Spirited", I decided to check out his blog as well.

Quote from: Mr. Mean-Spirited
Although the ruling class will always be composed of annoying extroverts, the lone individual can still subvert the establishment. The solitary introvert will always find a way to conspire against the powers that be. The gregarious leader will always want to govern by consensus, and a lonely dissenter often tends to demoralize the elite by his very presence.

Ah, we can demoralize the thugs and phony authoritarians by our very presence.  Sounds like Henry Fool!

I would link to Mr. Mean-Spirited's blog, but he's a ticking time bomb. 

Oh well, what the hell ...  It's not a crime to read at least one of his rants just for giggles: Becoming a complete Loner is really a matter of self-respect.

I'm not sure I get Mr. Mean-Spirited's sense of humor.  Some of the things he writes are just too much to swallow.  Oh well, I guess, even a broken clock is correct at least twice each day.   :-[


A forum of interest to Schopenhauerian Scholars:

Antinatalism forum: discussion about NO FREE WILL

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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2015, 10:53:15 pm »
If you ever find yourself getting tired of the antinatalist vlogs on youtube, you might find some of the posts and comments worth reading at SAY NO TO LIFE.   There may not be many who think the way we do who can actually motivate themselves to even type. 

 :P

When the mind is racing, sometimes it's refreshing just to read other people's rants ... But I am most content when I can relax enough to just read, think, or jot down some notes.

There is no shame in not wanting to be a soldier for the state or to want to escape being used as a corporate drone.  Is it any surprise that Kafka left so many of his writing projects unfinished?   He had to report to the office.

When one does find one has been able to hide away to nap or read, it is like escaping from a web ... or from a harness.  I guess it is not something one is going to announce too loudly for fear of arousing resentments.

 :-\

I noticed on Karl's blog, Say No To Life, that, when someone might have resented his attitude toward submitting to wage-slavery, the commenter asked Karl what he did as a trade (for a living ... to pay for rent and food and living expenses and books and ...).   I like the fact that Karl did not answer that question.  I wonder if people realize how rude that question is ...

I remember the last time I was asked, "What do you do?"  --- I felt like fighting the person who asked me.  It's just offensive.  Do you think the commenter wanted to know if he was on the dole?   ???

It kind of kills any motivation to write a book.  I wonder how many people are sensitive to the subtle hatred of the silent majority, how the flag-waving ones who pay deference to military service and the like would like to see the refusenicks punished for not pulling the cart of civilization.

If you can't be doped into compliance, there are those who would bully you into compliance.

We have discussed this before, where you mentioned how the bosses like to see their employees married with children ... There is a reason they resent the bachelor or spinster.  There is a reason why the conventional want to see the unconventional get some discipline and structure in their lives.

If only one could be as courageous as Cioran and write with full knowledge of how much hatred you are inviting upon yourself.
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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 01:44:55 am »
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Is it any surprise that Kafka left so many of his writing projects unfinished?   He had to report to the office.
I must confess that like Kafka,I leave all my projects unfinished.As you correctly mention time constraint is certainly a reason for that.But I think there is another reason,less apparent.There often is no closure, not in real life and many questions will never be answered, left floating in the wind forever.This is a world where nothing is solved.

How can there be closure in a Universe which is LIMITLESS in TIME & SPACE?
Often I feel we are like Holmes & Watson-in a COSMIC Murder Mystery.
https://youtu.be/5nJbr3XpppA
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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2016, 11:36:29 am »
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There often is no closure, not in real life and many questions will never be answered, left floating in the wind forever.This is a world where nothing is solved.

No closure ... nothing is solved.

Nothing is what it seems.  If I were blind, I would have entirely different kinds of problems. 

I would still feel sun beams through windows.  I would still feel the cold.  I am fairly certain I would still be able to roll a cigarette, but no written words ... I would have to learn new ways to cope with being alive ... OR I could end it.

No closure ... nothing solved.

What is one expected to do with one's life?

Some people will be in prison for the rest of their lives unless all Hell breaks loose.

Nothing needs to be done.   Nothing is really necessary. 

About closure.  You're right.  This is just not the nature of existence.  Maybe a more non-human perspective might help eliminate concerns about solutions and closure.

So much is determined by chance:  where one is born, into what culture, into what species ... whether one has a roof over one's head.  It's no wonder that ... when homeless, with no "book collection", no notebooks, one would seek out alcohol ...

Oh, how I identify with the Hikikomori!  There is nothing to be had out there.  Imagine a homeless man lugging around an 800 page textbook, studying Linear Algebra and trying to understand how to implement the Matrix Template Library of Boost ... How easy it is to go mad! 

Have you ever been sitting with a book next to one who does not know how to read?  There is a peculiar feeling.  Education can be held against you. 

One is expected to "do something" with one's "abilities".

We may often feel we are failures if we have not been able to accomplish anything while alive, but life itself is a failure. 

Then there is this feeling where I suspect there are those who would take pleasure in seeing a bookworm homeless, sleeping in a tent.  They will say, "If he spent his days sweeping floors or stocking product on shelves, if he programmed robots for Amazon, instead of studying mathematics and reading literature all the time, he wouldn't be in that situation."

I suppose, once one has experienced homelessness or even spent some time in a county jail, living on the dole, holing up in a room with a collection of books, one can reach a state of grace.  To a homeless transient vagabond off the radar, a collection of books would be a burden. 

My vision of the future:  weather-proof, solar-powered eReader and a heavy duty notebook computer ... pathetic homeless scholar eking out his existence like a modern day Diogenes the Dog.   

If I were in a cell without access to a computer, would I still enjoy exploring "modern C++" to see how generic programming is implemented in solving systems of linear equations?

I think I would be delighted.  And yet, in the county jail, no USED books are allowed.  They have to be shipped in directly from a place like Barnes and Nobel, and they must NOT be hard cover.  Is that possible?  Some things are impossible. 

Now, who in this miserable wretched world would send me a $320 math book and its $50 solution manual?   I would be lucky to get the $50 processing fee and another $100 for long underwear, security pens, stamps, envelopes, and legal pads to last a couple months.  Oh, brother ... It's a madhouse.  It's a shame the universities aren't more involved with the prison industry.  FTW

So, no wonder I treasure used books and blessed goddamn dole.  I never cared too much for parties.  If only I could develop the protagonist's voice in my head, if only I could be content with being an anti-hero in the flesh ... I could just let my notebooks be their own Holden Caulfield rants.

Sure, Schopenhauer was concerned with truth, but I'm sure he held back a bit.

I have this compulsion to study what it is I am drawn to, and that's all there is to it.  I don't care about social status, I don't care if I die alone with no family.  I want to become engrossed in some algebraic computations.  Then again, I am free to lose interest in everything.

Maybe 15 years ago I studied Linear Algebra and Multivariable Calculus out of curiosity, but this time around, since I unexpectedly snapped out of my drunken stupor, I want to develop an understanding such that I might be able to teach it to someone else for no other reason than that I find it interesting, more interesting than god-damn sporting events on the TV, more interesting than mind-numbing employment in one of the redundant "jobs" out there in gortville.


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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2016, 10:58:23 am »
John Trudell: The Great Lie

lie

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"In modern life the world belongs to the stupid, the insensitive, and the disturbed. The right to live and triumph is today earned with the same qualifications one requires to be interned in a madhouse: amorality, hypomania, and an incapacity for thought."

~ Fernando Pessoa, The Book of Disquiet
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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2017, 07:43:09 am »
Good morning, slaves ... don't forget to challenge the world ...

We are bacteria with fuucking brains ... let us argue our position. 

"Intelligent theory here ... meaningful conversation that needs to take place ... the human race needs to deal with the fact that it's a fuucking addicted psychology ...  it's a fuucking bullshiit program ... you are chasing your mother-fuucking tail ... we are programmed animals ... the need is programmed into us ... you are feeding off this pointless and idiotic competition ... consumption and reproduction through the process of natural selection ... there is a flaw in the design base ..."

Think positive?  Why?   DELUSIONARY RAINBOW SICKNESS

Anyone who implores you to think positively is proclaiming their disdain and contempt for considering the reality of the world as it really is.   They prefer to "create their own reality" and silence those who challenge their "program" ...  :P

challenge

"Have a nice day ..."   ::)

I'm going to die anyway

"Screw you guys, I'm going home ..."

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Schopenhauer's Allegory of the Abyss
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 11:14:41 pm »
The will, carrying a lantern, which
is the intellect, comes to an abyss; seeing that it can go no further, it turns around and
goes back. Schopenhauer’s metaphor implies that the will’s blind striving is self-destructive,
and that the intellect only illuminates this for the sake of the will.
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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2017, 08:19:15 am »
Herr Hentrich,
Yes, that´s the problem, we,slaves,do not want to challenge the world. We only obey and conform. I wonder if our masters are not tired of domesticating us. If you can, please, I suggest that you watch They Live by John Carpenter (1988) with Rody Piper, Keith Davis and Meg Foster. In once scene the character played by Piper starts wearing special glasses that allow him to see ugly creatures, fake humans, and the real messages behind the ads in the city. The real messages were; OBEY, CONFORM, STAY SLEEP, DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY, MARRY AND REPRODUCE. Interesting movie. Take care of yourself. Raúl

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Thank you to Senor Raul-They live indeed
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2017, 10:20:18 am »
Senor Raul,
Thanks for the information about "They Live" ,I am watching it:

https://youtu.be/3TgzYWGO6Jc?t=41m25s
The same thing happened to me when I came across Hentrichian/Schopenhauerian philosophy. I hope that your eyes are better now.
Please do let me know if you are aware about movies like this in the future as well.

Keep well & safe in Paraguay.


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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2017, 04:27:13 pm »
Mr.Holden,
I forgot that one of the messages was CONSUME in the movie. Clearly,in my view, Carpenter wanted to convey a message to people. I wonder if the human beings in the future wil rise up and smash this infernal machinery. I have my doubts because we,humans, have been conditioned for a very long time. Take care of yourself. Raúl

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Re: An Invitation to Bash Positive Thinking
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2017, 01:39:33 pm »
Señor Holden,
One movie that is a classic is The Manchurian Candidate with Frank Sinatra, Angela Landsbury and Montgomery Clift. Another that I would like to see is The Truman Show with Jim Carrey and one movie I saw many years and I would like to see it again is Eyes Wide Shut by Stanley Kubrick with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. I remember a very strange ritual. Be safe. Raúil

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Late Mr.Dlamini ,a 22 year old man,from Zimbabwe killed himself today by hanging,after the parents of his girlfriend reported him to the police for impregnating her. A sad end. If I were in his place would I act differently? I cannot say. I get stressed very easily. But at the same time  I am also very much afraid of pain . I also don’t want to kill myself because of philosophical reasons.
But if I were Mr.Dlamini & I could easily have been born in Zimbabwe in his family this is what I would have tried to do:
I would have gone to prison, think about this,this planet is in itself a penal colony & then to go to a prison means being doubly imprisoned. In the prison I am sure the other inmates would tease me mercilessly, perhaps beat me up as well for being a weirdo, they would have snatched by second hand copy of World and Will & Representation & would have torn it into pieces. I would suffer everything. Needless to say I would weep all the time. I would weep like an atheistic Job. Weep so much that  my tears could replenish the Pacific Ocean.

I used to live in a hostel some years back.The room mates used to torment me all the time. When I complained to the proctor ,he slammed me against the wall & told me not to be such a cry    baby.

Yes,I own his label for me gladly- I am a cry baby. I weep all the time. I cry myself to sleep every night. I see myself in Mr. Dlamini. 22 is not very old at all. I have very bad dreams at night. People chasing me endlessly. Making fun of me. Mr. Dlamini is dead,but what about the Will-to-Life that he represented? It lives on in my throbbing heart ,in my pulsating blood. I cannot hide in the room all the time from the darkness.  I must take all the torment & pain. Like Jesus. When he was being dragged for his crucifixion, I have read that people spat at him, pelted him with stones. He did not resist. He took it all. Within a few hours he had pacified the Will-to-Life.  The Bible does not say if he was weeping when he was being crucified. But I’d say he was. The physical pain & public humiliation would have been enough to make him cry. What about Mr.Dlamini’s baby? It would come into this world, & the wolves would be ready to pounce upon it. They would all get together & call  him a bastard & that his father was a coward. Will the baby get to read Schopenhauer? How many people get to read him? And even if WWR was given to everyone ,very few would be able to appreciate it. I want nothing to do with this world. But I will not kill myself. I am determined to tread the path of quietism.

When I try to think about the full implications of Schopenhauer’s thought,my mind begins to boggle- I am a cowardly creature I will admit it.
I dread to think how Schopenhauer would have spent his life.  But he did manage to get through with it somehow. I live on prison planet where everyone spies on every one –worse than 1984 & Stalin’s Russia.

http://nehandaradio.com/2017/01/26/suicide-pregnant-minor/
PS-Senor Raul,thanks for the suggestion.I am going to watch them.

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La Tristesse Durera Toujours                                  (The Sadness Lasts Forever ...)
-van Gogh.

There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide.-Camus