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What do Indian Women Want
« on: June 16, 2018, 09:39:00 am »
You once told me a lady gave you some sort of business magazine so that you could apply your intelligence towards something"profitable".Well, this girl I used to tell you about back in 2014,she wanted me to ,well, to help you understand,she wanted me to chase the Indian counterpart of Presidential Management Fellow program-you get to become a top civil servant.

This girl wanted to have a baby(not with me,with another guy),after she herself had become a top civil servant too. Like you told me,in American culture,they often say-what will Jesus do, would you be kind enough to tell me what would Schopenhauer do-if he had two choices-one he could try to become a professor of mathematics and second, he could try to become a civil servant.
What will Schopenhauer do?

Oh,& what you Indian women want? Total obedience, heavy bank balance, top notch car, vacation in Europe et cetra et cetra.
But hey, this is being said by a man who is considered down right crazy by the people around him,by him own family members.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2018, 10:36:30 pm »
Holden,
I can only write a few lines. If you put the title What do Paraguayan Women Want, you would almost say the same just changing the geographical, political and language factors. Couples are good for business. Two salaries are good for mortgage, installment payments, travel expenses, the so called "honeymoon", yes, I see from time to time the pictures of the newly wed, ready to be milked, squeezed, but that is the gift of life. They must do their duty to society.

Life is a trap, as you know, and we do not want to see the bars of our prisons. Most say we must enjoy life but this is not life this is prison. Most just defend the matrix we are in.

If they consider you "down right crazy by the people around him,by him own family members",. What do they know? You have been enduring much up to now. It has demonstrated, in my view, that you are a very resilient person. You have endured much truth, yes, truths that hurt. You have realized that you are a prisoner.

You understand much as well as Hentrich. You are on the right path. Nothing will change that.

Take care.

 

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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2018, 11:57:26 pm »
Senor Raul,
It is a great blessing to have you and Herr Hentrich and this message board -one only need to post something like this in any other forum once to realise that.
I am sorry I did not write to you sooner.

Keep well and stay in touch.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2018, 12:33:48 am »
I can't be bothered keeping up with Joneses or trying to suck up to people and socially climb my way to the top. I want to opt out of hierarchy and just go my own way.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2018, 12:40:44 am »
As long as life is horrendous, & that'll probably never change, people won't be afraid to die, & many of them will lash out at society with mass shootings, terrorist attacks, murders of "significant" others, exes, exes' sig. others, murder-suicides, etc
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2018, 12:43:29 am »
   Should the truth about the world exist, it’s bound to be nonhuman.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2018, 05:15:52 pm »
   Should the truth about the world exist, it’s bound to be nonhuman.
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My thoughts exactly.  Thank you for this.

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2018, 06:04:40 pm »
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Like you told me, in American culture, they often say  -what would Jesus do, would you be kind enough to tell me what would Schopenhauer do - if he had two choices - one he could try to become a professor of mathematics and second, he could try to become a civil servant.
What would Schopenhauer do?


What a terrible choice to have to make.  First of all, I am not certain Schopenhauer would be inclined to become a professor of mathematics.  I just don't see it.  The subject is too vast, and one might spend a lifetime in a small area leaving very little impact.   I sense that Schopenhauer wanted to leave some kind of mark, to make some kind of breakthrough, to present to the "West" a kind of secular Upanishads.    Maybe he would prefer to be a civil servant, as long as his evenings were free for study - although, were he a civil servant, I suppose he wouldn't be Schopenhauer, but Kafka.


Aren't some math teachers civil servants?


Maybe he would have opted to be a math teacher, but not necessarily a mathematician.  It's difficult to say what he would do.


I hardly even know what I would do!   I mean, surely I would liked to have become a mathematician, but this will not happen.  It does not mean I am forbidden from studying mathematics, computation, and calculation methods, developing estimation skills.


One of my major gripes about this world is specialization.  Perhaps this is just an "industrialized civilization" thing where we have once gregarious primates living as we do as these hybrid insect-like mammals who specialize … workers, soldiers (law enforcement), entertainers, government  clerks, farmers, engineers, managers, doctors, hocus-pocus priesthoods and hocus-pocus psychoanalytic therapists, "revolutionary" gurus selling salvation for a thousand dollar fee (for mediation classes, etc.


Then there are deadbeat bums like me draining the War Machine Economy.


What would Schopenhauer choose?  Does it matter?   It doesn't matter what Jesus of Nazareth would do either.  What will YOU do?   What will I do?


Fortunately, I do not possess the mind-set to be some kind of "mathematics professor" (and I don't think Schopenhauer did either).   As for a civil service job, it depends, I suppose.   Who can blame someone for taking a cush job with the government with health benefits and a 401-K retirement plan?

To each his own.

I just reread your wording, and you explicitly ask "what would he TRY to become."

That may be altogether different.  In that case, I think he probably would rather TRY to become a mathematics professor (even if he failed) than to TRY to become an ass-licking yes-man for the goverment.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2018, 10:40:25 am »
I know that I may sound like a disgruntled teenager when I ask this, but, why must we become anything in particular?   How is it that we have been so conditioned by our respective societies that we find it uncomfortable to be "nothing"?

Here is where death can liberate us.   We might learn to live as though we were already dead, with the awareness that we are destined to be nothing.   Many refuse to accept their utter insignificance and hence will strive to build up their egos by idenifying with some kind of role or position in society.

Why can't we just live as though we were already dead, or better still, as if we had never been born?

Then, rather than being forced to "either try to become a mathematics professor or professional mathematician" or "try to find some kind of position in the civil service," one might live as the Hikikomori of Japan do, not concerned with becoming anything in particular, and free to study math at one's own pace.

Maybe one would like to understand how to work with tables of logarithms rather than relying on their calculators.   Maybe you just want to be free to be a useless eater.

Not everyone wants to be in the Olympics.

Some of us have no problems being forgotten by this world.

I am not Arthur Schopenhauer.  Nor do I have any desire to be nailed to a tree.

As an animal on a plantation, I am trying to stay out of a harness.

Why should anyone be ashamed of not possessing any "title" or "profession"?

If I am not interested in hunting down roses (romance, financial security, family, tribal authority, "honor", etc)  then I might benefit from minimal contact with thorns.
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Re: What do Indian Women Want
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2018, 03:24:21 pm »
Here is where death can liberate us.   We might learn to live as though we were already dead, with the awareness that we are destined to be nothing.   Many refuse to accept their utter insignificance and hence will strive to build up their egos by idenifying with some kind of role or position in society.
Cioran did write that he found some sort of "liberation" in seeing his birth as an accident.

Visiting my parents yesterday, my father revealed to me for the first time that he was married to another woman before my mother.  I've already begun dwelling on the fact that had not Fate made that turn (divorce and then married again), I would never have come into existence.  There's some solace in this, along with great comedic relief: hey, I just happen to be part and parcel of the accidental twists of Fate!

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2018, 11:12:14 am »
After passing a short time within the cavernous and elaborate solitude of the place, man becomes a spectator to strange sights and sounds. He then begins to doubt his sanity, and at last flees the advancing shadows of the house for the bright shelter of a nearby town. There, amid the good society of the local citizens, he learns the full history of the house. (It seems that long ago some tragedy occurred, an irreparable melodrama that has continued to be staged many years after the deaths of the actors involved.) Others who have lived in the house have witnessed the same eerie events, and its most recent guest is greatly relieved by this knowledge. Faith in his mental soundness has been triumphantly restored: it is the house itself which is mad.
   But this man need not have been so comforted. If the spectral drama could be traced to definite origins, and others have been audience to it, this is not to prove that all testimony regarding the house is unmarked by madness. Rather, it suggests a greater derangement, a conspiracy of unreason implicating a plurality of lunatics, a delirium that encompasses past and present, houses and minds, the claustral cellars of the soul and the endless spaces outside it.    For we are the specters of a madness that surpasses ourselves and hides in mystery. And though we search for sense throughout endless rooms, all we may find is a voice whispering from a mirror in a house that belongs to no one.

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2018, 11:15:47 pm »
I searched for awhile for a place to stick this, something I found at reddit, and for some reason, the spirit and tone of "What Do Indian Women Want?" made me realize that, while Kurt Vonnegut may have thought the "shame of being poor" is just an "American thing," that it is probably more wide-spread due to what Holden calls "Americanization" on a global level.

Well, here is the quote, Kurt Vonnegut on Americans.  I hope the same thing is not happening to the great and ancient India.

Quote from: Vonnegut
“America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, 'It ain’t no disgrace to be poor, but it might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'if you’re so smart, why ain’t you rich?' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child’s hand – glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register.

Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue. Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say Napoleonic times. Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves.”

With this quote in mind, I have to state that, I think I not only "love myself," but i rather like myself as well.   I may not have money in the bank or many teeth left in my jaw, but I appreciate my devotion to continuing to study math even though, from the looks of it, I have resigned myself to living "on the dole," as they call it across the pond in what used to be called "Europe."   

I don't know where the world on a global scale is heading, but I for one, am not too impressed with ostentatious consumption.   Nietzsche was right about how a philosopher will be dressed in rags and mocked by the philistines, and he had never been to "the United States of America."   So, I suppose it is not just an American phenomenon.

I have heard that in some parts of the world, it is not so "anti-intellectual," and that more people respect a certain amount of culture or book-learning.

Who knows?   Respect is hard to come by, so maybe it is best not to give a **** about gaining any so-called "respect" from the society you find yourself in.
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