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Ivan Goncharov - Quotes
« on: April 12, 2018, 07:25:01 am »

“I desire nothing, seek nothing but peace, the slumber of the soul. I have tasted all the hollowness and wretchedness of life and I despise it heartily. Whoever has lived and thought cannot but, in his soul, despise humanity. Activity, cares, worries, distractions - I am sick of them all. I wish for nothing, I seek nothing. I have no aim, for one gains that which one is eager for - and sees that it is all illusion. My joyous days have passed. I have cooled to them. In the educated world, amidst human beings, I feel the disadvantages of life too strongly, but alone, far from the crowd, I turn to stone. In this trance anything can happen, I see neither others nor myself. I do nothing and do not notice the actions either of others or myself - and I am at peace, I am indifferent. There can be no happiness for me, and I will not succumb to unhappiness.”

― Ivan Goncharov, The Same Old Story

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Re: Ivan Goncharov - Quotes
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 10:18:37 am »
I suspect that a philosophy of life based on indifference has the potential to be empowering.

It begins with not giving a shiit what your kin and society think of you.

I was doing some research on Indifference as a Philosophy and I was coming across references to Epictetus and even Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (the latest incarnation of Albert Ellis's Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, which I believe to be rooted in Stoicism).  I cam across the following:

Schopenhauer and the Stoics.

Nietzsche and Stoic Hypocrisy


I appreciate your quote, Raul.  Strangely and paradoxically, depressing ideas make me feel better. 
Things They Will Never Tell YouArthur Schopenhauer has been the most radical and defiant of all troublemakers.

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Re: Ivan Goncharov - Quotes
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 08:46:50 pm »
Hentrich,
Thank you for your response. You see, when one sees so much pointlessness in this human life, that only means that human beings do not have a high status in the eyes of the owners of this Earth.  I quote again Charles Hoy Fort:

"I think we’re property. I should say we belong to something: That once upon a time, this earth was No-man’s Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it’s owned by something: That something owns this earth—all others warned off."

“Why don’t they [Earth’s owners] ever come here, or send here, openly,” he said:
Would we, if we could, educate and sophisticate pigs, geese, cattle?

Would it be wise to establish diplomatic relation with the hen that now functions, satisfied with mere sense of achievement by way of compensation?

I think, we human beins, are like those colonies of tiny ants whose range of observation only encompass a few meters. I also think that human beings love to be pets and scratched in the crotch.

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2018, 12:31:57 pm »
A late soviet-era joke has two dissidents lying in adjacent beds in a psychiatric hospital. They have been diagnosed as suffering from “schizo-heterodoxy”, a condition that requires them to be subjected to treatment that will destroy their health and faculties. One says to the other: “It is unbelievable that we should be imprisoned and abused under a fake psychiatric diagnosis simply for criticising the government. But all over the world there are people who remember us: liberals, conservatives, independent communists… We have not been forgotten.” After a period of taciturn reflection the other dissident laughs, and murmurs: “You know, I suspect the official diagnosis of your mental condition may be correct.”
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Re: Ivan Goncharov - Quotes
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 04:20:04 pm »
Something tells me, Holden, that you would be a ball of laughs in a psychiatric hospital.  I think your gallows humor may be a secret reserve of inner strength that you might only really tap into when you are in the most hopeless situation.   

Yes, I think that underneath your apparent fear and anxiety, there is a grim and ironic sense of humor, and that this is your secret reserve of strength.

While you may not sling many insults at the world, when you do slander, your wit is biting.
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Re: Ivan Goncharov - Quotes
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2020, 06:56:47 am »
547 days since Holden posted that video.
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Holden,

I have witnessed a deepening anger and rage toward all my ancestors for bringing me to this point here.  The rage seems to be building, where I feel forbidden feelings of contempt and disgust for everyone I have ever met or encountered.  Nobody is spared.

Even after a few hours sleep, I awoke with this growing anger --- even and especially towards "Mother Nature" who I feel has me hanging by a rope between a rock and a hard place ... I do not want to exist, and I HATE this world.

When I was typing something up in Essential Schopenhauer, I came across this video you left.   I actually began to crack up laughing hysterically from 1:30 onward:  Existence.  Cruel joke. 

"Scientists believe that we may even be able to teach a gorilla to resort to alcoholism or even to try to kill itself within as little as a decade."

Suddenly I do not feel that rage as intensely.  The laughter must have released a great deal of demonic energy.

Thanks so much for this!

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Re: Ivan Goncharov - Quotes
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2020, 03:46:52 pm »
Also, Raul, an excerpt from the quote from Ivan Goncharov (who I intend to research one of these nights) captures the essential flavor of my most recent Dark Night of the Soul.  The Same Old Story ...

“I have tasted all the hollowness and wretchedness of life and I despise it heartily. Whoever has lived and thought cannot but, in his soul, despise humanity. Activity, cares, worries, distractions - I am sick of them all. I wish for nothing, I seek nothing. I have no aim, for one gains that which one is eager for - and sees that it is all illusion."

as well as:

"There can be no happiness for me, and I will not succumb to unhappiness.”

Thanks Raul.   The naps you suggest may be one of the most powerful antidotes to intense anxiety.   
Things They Will Never Tell YouArthur Schopenhauer has been the most radical and defiant of all troublemakers.

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