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A Confederacy of Dunces
« on: February 02, 2016, 04:21:57 pm »
Some memorial quotes:

About Ignatius Reilly's predicament, Barbara Tepa Lupack writes:

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    And the journey – a retreat from his mother’s lunacy – that Ignatius J. Reilly takes in A Confederacy of Dunces propels him into the arms of the equally loony girlfriend he had earlier tried to avoid. He merely trades one brand of absurdity for another.

    […] in a world as devoid of meaning […] madness is both a legitimate response and an effective challenge to the superficial sanity of the social order and historical process. Only a person out of step with society has an appropriate vantage point from which to view its failings; only a person who fails to obey the institutions that mandate certain behaviors can appreciate their rigitity and the consequences of nonconformity.

When Ignatius’s mother suggests he take a little rest in the psychiatric hospital, he replies, “They would try to make me into a moron who liked television and new cars and frozen food. Psychiatry is worse than communism. I refuse to be brainwashed. I won’t be a robot!”

Then there's the conversation Ignatius’s mother is having over at officer Manusco’s. (p.202-205)

“I gotta do something. I gotta call the authorities to come take that boy away … Maybe they put him in a detention home or something.”

Could this be part of Toole’s genius, that he has effectively zoomed in on how fascism operates in our society, through mommy-daddy-me?

On p.203, Irene (Ignatius’s mother) says, “Ignatius woulda been locked up safe in jail.”

His own mother is his enemy? The villian? She openly betrays him. She seems to be his worst critic. Is this how our Twelve Step brainwashed society operates?

On p.204: “It was all Ignatius’s fault. He’s my own flesh and blood, but he sure looks funny when he goes out. Angelo shoulda locked him up,” says Irene.

And finally, on p.205, she says to the cop, “I should have let you lock him away, Angelo. Mr. Robichaux, you don’t know Ignatius. He makes trouble every place he goes.”

The cop asks for Ignatius’ identification and then asks him about the contents of his bag. Ignatius won’t tolerate this treatment:
“Is it the part of the police department to harass me when this city is a flagrant vice capital of the civilized world?” Ignatius bellowed over the crowd in front of the store. “This city is famous for its gamblers, prostitutes, exhibitionists, anti-Christs, alcoholics, sodomites, drug addicts, fetishists, onanists, pornographers, frauds, jades, litterbugs, and lesbians, all of whom are only too well protected by graft. If you have a moment, I shall endeavor to discuss the crime problems with you, but don’t make the mistake of bothering me.”

“Any connection between American art and American nature is purely coincidental, but this is only because the nation as a whole has no contact with reality. That is only one of the reasons why I have always been forced to exist on the fringes of its society, consigned to the Limbo reserved for those who do know reality when they see it.”

This next segment reminds me of this “excursion” out west to the Seattle area, a “whirlpool of despair” and apathy and smugness.

“The only excursion in my life outside of New Orleans took me through the vortex to the whirlpool of despair: Baton Rouge. In some future installment, a flashback, I shall perhaps recount that pilgimage, through the swamps, a journey into the desert from which I returned broken physically, mentally, and spiritually.”

Another great passage is when he had turned the speakers of a radio off at the pants factory.

“So I turned the music on again, smiling broadly and waving amiably in an attempt to acknowledge my poor judgement and to win the workers’ confidence. Their huge white eyes were already labeling me a “Mister Charlie.” I would have to struggle to show them my almost psychotic dedication to helping them.”

Another couple excerpts from Toole’s Comic Masterpeice:
“I sense I have always felt something of a kinship with the colored race because its position is the same as mine: we both exist outside the inner realm of American society. Of course, my exile is voluntary. However, it is apparent that many of the Negroes wish to become active members of the American middle class. I can not imagine why. I must admit that this desire on their part leads me to question their value judgments. However, if they wish to join the bourgeoisie, it is really none of my business. They may seal their own doom. Personally, I would agitate quite adamantly against the bemused person who was attempting to help me upward, that is. The agitation would take the form of many protest marches complete with the traditional banners and posters, but these would say, “End the Middle Class,” “The Middle Class Must Go.” I am not above tossing a small Molotov cocktail or two, either. In addition, I would studiously avoid sitting near the middle class in lunch counters and on public transportation, maintaining the intrinsic honesty and grandeur of my being. If a middle-class white were suicidal enough to sit next to me ……”

“I do admire the terror which Negroes are able to inspire in the hearts of some members of the white proletariat and only wish (This is a rather personal confession.) that I possessed the ability to similarly terrorize. The Negro terrorizes simply by being himself; I, however, must browbeat a bit in order to achieve the same end. Perhaps I should have been a Negro. I suspect that I would have been a rather large and terrifying one, continually pressing my ample thigh against the withered thighs of old white ladies in public conveyances a great deal and eliciting more than one shriek of panic. Then, too, if I were a Negro, I would not be pressured by my mother to find a good job, for no good jobs would be available. My mother herself, a worn old Negress, would be too broken by years of underpaid labor as a domestic to go out bowling at night. She and I could live most pleasantly in some moldy shack in the slums in a state of ambitionless peace, realizing contentedly that we were unwanted, that striving, was meaningless.”

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Re: A Confederacy of Dunces
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2016, 10:02:02 am »
Classic.I remember reading this as a college student-imagine Raskolnikov reading this & you would understand me perfectly.
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Re: A Confederacy of Dunces
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2019, 09:05:45 pm »
Where on earth could all the creative and bored lunatics be hiding  ?  It's a shame we don't have an "organization for the organized."  ( ;) THE JACKET )



WHAT THE ... ? ...  :o  :D





at 1:08  ---> jail was preferable to a mental ward.  In jail they restrict you only physically.
In a mental ward they tamper with your worldview, your "soul."

The main thing I got as the MESSAGE FROM TOOLE is, when you are caught between a crazy mother and being placed in a mental ward BY HER, yes, escape into some crazy woman's car with your "Life's Work,"  :P , but only as a last resort.  If there is another way, we'll never know.  The author thought suicide might do the trick.   I think Toole was only trying to secure payments for his aging parents' apartment ... Like Dostoevsky, at a cosmically lower grade, of course, he seemed compelled to write for money, and hence we end up with the "strained" and exaggerated "comic book" characters.

In reality, our personas are darker are more complex; there is more Shadow we are not consciously aware of.   Was it Van Gogh's paintings or his life which captivates the wealthy merchants of today's artsy fartsy world (Caulfield's "phonies")?   Is it anything the Nazarene said in particular, for its philosophical significance, or was it his life and the manner in which he "died" which captivates actual students of theology the world over?   

I am understanding what the narrator of Hesse's Steppenwolf may have meant when he explains that Harry Hallar's life is chaotic and messy, as ALL actual lives lived must be.  None of our lived-experiences can be broken down to a particular narrative.  If I am reading something I wrote from a different vantage point, and I see that I had been foolish, deluded, mistaken ... a gort? [gasp, the HORROR!] ... with that understanding I am no longer deluded, but is any one of us obligated to keep the society (whether parent or relative) abreast on our worldview?

I think Toole was under so much stress that satire was the most accessible medium, and since he wanted to be read, he kept it simple.   Allowing Ignatius to be a little pretentious was appropriate since, as far as I'm concerned, his heart was in the right place.   I did find his TV-viewing and movie going to be annoying, but it was entirely understandable.  I liked Ignatius.  I liked Henry Fool; but during my last reading of Catcher in the Rye, I did not like Holden Caulfield.  It was the comment about the teacher's answering the door, about not having a butler (and all).  Then the cognitive dissonance kicked in and I no longer knew what it was Salinger was up to.

I wondered who Salinger was and what was the point he was trying to make?   Why did he prefer to live in a small home in the mountains than to sell his book to Holywood for ten million dollars?

I could see selling anything I have ever scribbled for just enough to pay off my mother's debts and secure her health insurance so that she can stand up straight.  I understand Toole's grave concerns and why he may have broke under that kind of pressure, feeling financially responsible for his aging parents, and feeling not up to the task ... like Van Gogh, like Lovercraft ... what is it about the nature of this world that makes survival for such "mutants" so problematic?

The deep question is, "How does one omit the mandates of survival from our lives out of a stratospherically ascerbic indignation?"

I am a boy whistling in the dark.  Mankind as a whole is a boy whistling in the dark.  Nothing in our world is what it seems to be.  And yet, when interacting with one another, we must keep up the farce ... as though we are not awakening directly into a scene out of the film,  Dark City ...  Cosmicism would demand that I am free to abandon the narrative of a self ... I am consciousness on the surface film of a planet ... Who are those who fancy themselves "in charge" to know where they stand in the Grand Scheme of Things?



I know the cast that could handle Confederacy of Dunces.  They are in the asylum:

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Re: A Confederacy of Dunces
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2019, 11:31:51 am »
Herr Hauser,
Thanks for these messages. They are tonic for my poor,wretched,damned soul.I was wondering how you studied when you were at the Uni.My guess would be that most of the time you would have studied on your own, though, I know that you did help some of your fellow students from time to time with math problems.

Here, in India, there is a sport which is very popular, its a bit like baseball, its called cricket. The thing is with it is, unlike baseball, even if one fails to hit the ball three times in a row one is not out( there are other ways of getting out.)
So, in principle, one can leave,that is , not play, as many balls as one likes. One can wait for the "loose balls", that is ,easy balls to hit.
Trying to hit the difficult balls could cause one to  get caught and thus get out.

I was wondering if something similar could be done with maths problems too. I mean, if one finds that a certain math problem,despite one's best efforts, is turning out to be very difficult to solve, then maybe one should move on to the next problem. What would you say to this kind of an approach.

In the novel "Lust for Life", about van Gogh, in one of the last scenes, Vincent is out there in the fields, painting alone and feeling down and low and starts to weep and suddenly, the muse of painting, in form a comely woman, comes to console him and he asks her why is that she has arrived so late, why did she not come to him when he was younger and getting started. And she says to him that " Vincent, it was not my time, yet."
And then, he loses his consciousness,with a ghost of a smile in his lips.

My own dear mother says that I am beginning to appear like someone who belongs to a mental asylum and not once but many,many times.What she does not understand, will never understand, is that I was never "normal" to begin with, that I never wished to be a normal guy who gets married and begets kids.
I would not drag into existence even my worst of enemies ,not even the folks who torment me so in the office, let alone my own flesh and blood. I'd rather embrace the pain which tuberculosis caused me a thousand times over that damn an innocent sentient creature.

Take care.

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Re: A Confederacy of Dunces
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2021, 08:27:09 am »
Here are some "scientific papers" found by Library Genesis:

http://libgen.rs/scimag/?q=Confederacy+of+Dunces
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Re: A Confederacy of Dunces
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2022, 02:11:37 am »
I still have not been able to find an affordable way to check out , but I think it is a good idea to leave a link to the thread where we were contacted by H. Vernon Leighton himself.

I have since disabled the ability for guests to post for the simple reason that we were getting hit with spam.   Maybe I will have to be more aggressive and inquire about inter-library loans at the nearest library again.

I am curious to read the academic critiques.
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Things They Will Never Tell YouArthur Schopenhauer has been the most radical and defiant of all troublemakers.

Gorticide @ Nothing that is so, is so DOT edu

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